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  • #16
    Typical. Minnesota wins, New Orleans loses. Go NFL and competitiveness. Whoo.
    The whole world loves neophyte athletic tight end Jimmy Graham from Miami with the 95th pick. "Best pick in the draft,'' one AFC coach told me. "Give him time, and in that offense, he'll be better than [Jeremy] Shockey by the start of next year.''

    “We know that no matter the adversity, be it the lockout, be it the suspension or be it a hurricane, our men will pull together and defend the honor of this city. We’ve shown we’ve been able to do that.” - Jabari Greer

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    • #17
      Originally posted by no bare feet View Post
      Did Grant and Smith take it to the appeals court? If not then it would not pertain to them.
      It's a state issue more than anything and yes, I believe Grant and Smith did.
      The whole world loves neophyte athletic tight end Jimmy Graham from Miami with the 95th pick. "Best pick in the draft,'' one AFC coach told me. "Give him time, and in that offense, he'll be better than [Jeremy] Shockey by the start of next year.''

      “We know that no matter the adversity, be it the lockout, be it the suspension or be it a hurricane, our men will pull together and defend the honor of this city. We’ve shown we’ve been able to do that.” - Jabari Greer

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Splat420 View Post
        http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...arcaps-appeal/

        "Charles Grant and Will Smith (Saints) will be suspended for testing positive for the same substance, which secretly had been added to an over-the-counter weight-loss supplement known as StarCaps.

        Both Grant and Smith will play this week against the Lions, since the decision came after Tuesday. The suspensions, barring something incredibly unforeseen, will start next week."


        Goodell can overturn this if he wanted but he won't.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by no bare feet View Post
          Did Grant and Smith take it to the appeals court? If not then it would not pertain to them.
          The Williams' took their to a Minnesota appeals court. Smith and Grant went to the US appeals court. Therefore the Williams' got their appeal through quicker plus they got friendly result seeing it was an in-state appeal.

          What sets me off is that the tested positive back in training camp on 2008 and have basically gotten off the hook for suspensions for 2 years now. I mean Pat could retire after the season and not even face a punishment while others are being suspended.

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          • #20
            I couldn't be more happy :D

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            • #21
              Paints a pretty bad picture of the vikings organisation really, two years running they just allow their marquee players to use illegal supplements.

              It's not up to goodell to alter the rules for new orleans.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by BlindSite View Post
                Paints a pretty bad picture of the vikings organisation really, two years running they just allow their marquee players to use illegal supplements.

                It's not up to goodell to alter the rules for new orleans.
                Two years running allowing our marquee players to use illegal supplements, really? First of all, this happened about a year ago. Second, bumentide isn't an illegal substance. Get your facts right. The reason why this was such a big deal was due to the fact that the NFL failed to appropriately notify its players that bumentide was in Starcaps.
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                • #23
                  I meant illegal by the NFL's laws and guidelines, not the laws of the continental US or minnesota.

                  It's not up to the NFL either to let players know whats in what and what's been modified. As has been discussed over and over and over again, these people are adults and it's their responsibility to ensure they know what is going into their bodies.

                  These guys negligently or deliberately used a substance banned by the NFL.

                  They broke the rules and violated the CoC they deserve a suspension.

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                  • #24
                    It's not up to the NFL either to let players know whats in what and what's been modified. As has been discussed over and over and over again, these people are adults and it's their responsibility to ensure they know what is going into their bodies.

                    These guys negligently or deliberately used a substance banned by the NFL.
                    I disagree here. The product did not disclose that it included the masking agent nor was it on the NFL's list of banned products. The NFL however had conducted tests and had knowledge that the Bumetanide was in fact in the product. Basically the NFL wants to say that the players must conduct scientific studies of anything they put in their body because that is the only way the players could know because the NFL withheld the information from them.

                    IMO none of the players should have been suspended on this one because the league could have stopped it even happening by letting all players know that their testing had shown a product contained a banned substance that it did not include on its packaging. NFL is well and truly at fault here.

                    Also, to my knowledge, all the involved players submitted tests that showed no trace of steroids in their system, which shows to me at least that they genuinely took the product as a dietary supplement.

                    It's a pity the other teams players are suffering for something that is on the NFL.


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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by wogitalia View Post
                      I disagree here. The product did not disclose that it included the masking agent nor was it on the NFL's list of banned products. The NFL however had conducted tests and had knowledge that the Bumetanide was in fact in the product. Basically the NFL wants to say that the players must conduct scientific studies of anything they put in their body because that is the only way the players could know because the NFL withheld the information from them.
                      Or used approved supplements that the League provided. That'd be the 'easy' way.

                      Also, to my knowledge, all the involved players submitted tests that showed no trace of steroids in their system, which shows to me at least that they genuinely took the product as a dietary supplement..
                      You can't prove that. They took a masking agent for the sole purpose of hiding steroid usage.
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by awfullyquiet View Post
                        You can't prove that. They took a masking agent for the sole purpose of hiding steroid usage.
                        Nor can you prove that they took this supplement for the purpose of hiding steroid usage. As a matter of fact it seems ludicrous to assume this, as it was unknown to them that bumentide was even in the product they were consuming.
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                        • #27
                          You can't prove that. They took a masking agent for the sole purpose of hiding steroid usage.
                          They took tests after the failed tests to prove they had no steroids in their system. There are many ways to test, I find it hard to believe that this masking agent covers you from every type of test and I find it hard to believe they would waste time taking a secondary test that proves nothing, surely they were subsequently tested using a method that the Bumetanide can not mask.

                          Still doesn't change the fact that the NFL knew players used this substance and that the NFL knew the substance had substances in it that were not listed and were not allowed and they did not inform players, they did not put it on their banned supplements list despite their knowledge.


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                          • #28
                            League decides not to suspend Saints players, for now

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                            • #29
                              That's why they should do blood tests to test for steroids. You can't mask that, and it's detectable for a longer period of time.

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                              • #30
                                Got to be said, without reading it, that the decision not to suspend the Saints is a good one. It is good to see the league being reasonable and better yet, appearing to at least partially accept that they are in the wrong here also.


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