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  • #61
    Originally posted by sweetness34 View Post
    Which makes you wonder, how good would he have been if he actually had a consistent work ethic? Pretty scary to think about.

    Randy gets by on talent a lot of the time. I think Calvin Johnson is going to be what Randy should have been.
    While I think that's possible let's see Megatron become the player that Randy is before saying he's going to be the player Randy was supposed to be.

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    JPP is a better and more productive player than Brandon Graham
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    Is Shaun Hill a top 10 QB? Definitely not. Is he a top 20 one? Almost certainly.
    Originally posted by JBCX
    Most misleading 10+ sack season EVER.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by CC.SD View Post
      Calvin is a much bulkier wideout than Randy ever was. I know all about the 4.35 and I'll drool about Megatron any day of the week, but Randy has always had an extra gear that can only be described as pure insanity that I'm not quite sure Calvin can get to. I obviously think Calvin is going to be amazing for a very long time, dominant in fact, but it's going to take more than that to put Randy in the rear view mirror.
      So far in his career he's had Jon Kitna, Drew Stanton, Dan Orlovsky, Daunte' Culpepper (bad Daunte') and Matt Stafford throwing to him. Calvin's potential is flat out scary, plus from all accounts he has a very strong work ethic.

      It will take a lot for him to get to Randy's level. Playing in Detroit might hinder that as well (along with the development of Stafford), but Calvin has every physical tool you look for in a franchise WR. What he lacks in speed he makes up for in size.


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      Originally posted by JBCX
      Despite looking better against an underachieving Eagles team, I still think the Bears are one of the worst teams in the NFL. I smell a blowout victory by the Lions this week and a division sweep.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Rosebud View Post
        While I think that's possible let's see Megatron become the player that Randy is before saying he's going to be the player Randy was supposed to be.
        It's a prediction. Or maybe you missed the "I believe" part of my post.

        In college and the pros Megatron hasn't had a legitimate QB throwing to him. While Daunte' was overrated with Minnesota he was certainly better than anything Megatron has had so far.

        He made Reggie Ball look half-way decent at times with Georgia Tech. My worry is whether or not he'll have a legit QB throwing to him in his career at Detroit. If there is one variable that Stafford has going for him it's that he can throw to Megatron any time he wants to. He's certainly one of those players that can make a QB look good.


        Another sig courtesy of BoneKrusher

        Originally posted by JBCX
        Despite looking better against an underachieving Eagles team, I still think the Bears are one of the worst teams in the NFL. I smell a blowout victory by the Lions this week and a division sweep.

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        • #64
          Theres no doubt in my mind Calvin will be a great WR and the best WR in the NFL in a year or 2, but better than Moss in his prime? I only see 1 Wr all time better than Moss in his prime(Rice).

          Man I was a big fan of Calvin during his draft, thought he was with out a doubt the #1 prospect and wanted him, him and Moss on the same team would be scary. But we draft Russell and trade Moss for a 4th... go raiders?


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          • #65
            I'll go with the cliche on Moss and say he's the most talented wide receiver of all time, probably has the most impact of any receiver that's ever played the game...but Rice was better because he had a better head on his shoulders(although Moss has been fine for us).

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            • #66
              Can you imagine if he hadn't had 3 down years, his last in minnesota and his two in oakland how much better his numbers could've been.

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              • #67
                Jerry Rice is the greatest football player I've ever seen play. I can't put anyone above him

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                • #68
                  Moss'd him


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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by tjsunstein View Post
                    1. Jerry Rice
                    2. Randy Moss

                    And it's debateable from there but you have to have these guys in this order to begin any credible list.
                    I'd support this. Jerry Rice dominated. Dominated.
                    Dominated.
                    Dominated.

                    Yeah i can repeat that ad infinitum. Cornerbacks had to play better than their A game to compete with him.
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                    • #70
                      Whats with Don Maynard

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                      • #71
                        Randy Moss will go down as the 2nd best WR of all time, and will be considered the greatest deep threat to ever play the game.

                        No WR in NFL history has ever dictated a defensive gameplan like Randy Moss has. He's the most intimidating WR Ive ever seen.

                        That said, no one can touch Jerry Rice.

                        Jerry Rice is and probably always will be the GOAT at WR.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by roscoesdad27 View Post
                          Didnt rice play on the raiders too?...he didnt make them better either thus making the whole "what did randy do in oakland" argument silly.
                          Umm Rice did make them better they had a few pretty good years when Rice was there even made the SB.

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                          • #73
                            rice is better for a west coast or mike martz type offense because of his precision routes, willingness to go accross the middle and yac ability....moss is better for a power run/playaction offense (esp. one with a strong armed q.b.) because of his vertical/ jump ball abilities which would keep the box clean for the running game....if i could pick one (in their prime) to play for my team (ravens) right now i would pick moss without hesitation altho i would love to have either....if i was a west coast team i would easily take rice in his prime...thats how close these guys are, it comes down to scheme.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Splat View Post
                              Umm Rice did make them better they had a few pretty good years when Rice was there even made the SB.
                              yea you got me there but you cant sham on the fact that moss was on the 2 best offenses of all times...its a wash as far as making teammates better imho, which was my point.

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                              • #75
                                Moss can go up the middle and run short routes. He did it plenty against the Bills.

                                When asked to do it, he does it and does it well.

                                But theres really no point of him doing that. His job is to stretch the field. His deep routes are the reason why Wes Welker is so effective underneath. He stretches and opens up the field for the rest of his team to catch underneath routes.

                                He's at his best when he's stretching the field and taking both safeties along with him for the ride.

                                Asking him to run up the middle underneath is like having a Ferrari and taking it grocery shopping.

                                You have the beater car for that.

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