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  • djp
    started a topic What is the legacy of Randy Moss?

    What is the legacy of Randy Moss?

    Is he the best WR of all time?

    Receptions 855
    Receiving Yards 13,342
    Receiving TDs 135

    NFL records and statistics

    Most receiving touchdowns as a rookie: 17
    Third in receiving yards by a rookie, with 1,313 (trailing Anquan Boldin and Bill Groman)
    Moss has caught 13 or more TDs in a season five times; only Terrell Owens and Jerry Rice have done so more often.
    Moss has caught 17 or more TDs in a season three times; no other player has ever done so.
    Moss has averaged at least one receiving TD per game played in four different seasons: 1998 (17 TDs in 16 games), 2003 (17 in 16), 2004 (13 in 13), and 2007 (23 in 16); no other player has ever done so.[39]
    He had back-to-back 100 catch seasons, in 2002 and 2003. He, along with Wes Welker, Sterling Sharpe, Jerry Rice, Herman Moore, Cris Carter, Marvin Harrison, and Rod Smith are the only receivers to accomplish this feat.
    At the end of the 2007 season, Moss averaged 12.4 receiving TDs per season, an NFL record.
    He had 1,200+ yards receiving in each of his first 6 seasons, setting an NFL record.
    In 2003, Moss became the second player in NFL history to average 100 yards and one TD per game in a 16 NFL game season, scoring 17 touchdowns and 1,632 yards.
    In 2007, Moss became the only player in NFL history to record four 100+ yard games in his first four games with a new team.
    Moss has eclipsed the 1,000 yard receiving mark 8 times in his career. He is tied for 3rd all-time in that statistic.
    Also in 2007, Moss set a record with 16 touchdowns in his first 10 games with a new team.
    On December 29, 2007, he set the NFL record for most touchdown receptions in a regular season, with 23. The record was previously held by Jerry Rice who scored 22 touchdowns in a 12 game strike season.
    Career highlights

    4-time All-Pro selection. [40]
    NFL Record, 23 Receiving TD's in a season.(2007)
    Only player in NFL history to record 1,200+ receiving yards in his first six seasons.
    Youngest player in NFL history to record his 120th receiving touchdown. (30 years, 313 days)
    Is second on the Minnesota Vikings all time receiving TD list with 90. Cris Carter holds the record with 110 receiving scores.
    Caught his 100th touchdown pass in 2006 against San Francisco (on a pass he caught with his legs), and he is the 7th player to have 100+ touchdown receptions. He was the youngest to accomplish this at 29 years and 235 days.
    Holds the record for most touchdowns in Minnesota Vikings playoff history with 8.
    59 career 100 yard games - tied for 2nd all-time.
    Has a 15.8 yards per catch average for his career.
    Has completed 4 of 8 passes for 106 yards and 2 touchdowns, with 1 interception, giving him a 95.8 passer rating.
    Only player to catch 90+ touchdown passes, return a punt for a touchdown, and throw 2 touchdown passes.
    Has played on the two highest scoring teams (for a single season) in NFL history: 2007 Patriots (589 points) & the 1998 Vikings (556 points)
    Had a career-high 12 receptions for 204 yards against the Chicago Bears, at Soldier Field, on November 14, 1999 in a 27-24 overtime win.
    Holds the Viking record for most 100 yard receiving games with 41.
    Had a Pro Bowl record nine receptions for 212 yards in the 1999 season's Pro Bowl played on February 6, 2000. NFC won in a shootout, 51-31, marking the highest scoring output in Pro Bowl History.
    Caught a career high four touchdowns at Buffalo (all were in the first half). (Nov. 18, 2007)
    Caught three touchdowns in six different games: at Dallas (Nov. 26, 1998), a 46–36 victory; vs. Chicago (Dec. 6, 1998), a 48–22 victory; at Detroit (Oct. 1, 2000), a 31-24 victory; vs. New York (November 19, 2001) a 28-16 victory; vs. San Francisco (Sep. 28, 2003), a 35–7 victory; vs. Buffalo (November 18, 2007), a 56–10 victory.



    Last edited by djp; 09-30-2009, 07:16 PM.

  • Saints-Tigers
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    Seriously, why are we even talking about what either did in Oakland? I don't want to even talk about which guy was better at his worst.

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  • Paranoidmoonduck
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    Originally posted by Shiver View Post
    Not too mention it was one of the most dysfunctional offenses in recent memory. Let us never forget the Art Shell/Tom "Bed & Breakfast" Walsh offensive juggernaut.
    Seriously. We're talking about one of the worst offenses of the last 20 years of football here (which, coincidentally, was the last time anyone had tried to run that sort of scheme in the NFL).

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  • Raiderz4Life
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    Originally posted by LonghornsLegend View Post
    So I guess it doesn't matter that Rice played alongside Tim Brown, Jerry Porter, with Rich Gannon slinging the ball around right? Randy Moss was catching passes from Andrew freakin' Walters with an attrocious offensive line.


    I'm not saying Moss is or will be better then Rice, but put Jerry Rice on that team and ask yourself what his stats would be.
    Andre Johnson was catching passes from David Freakin Carr, Calvin Johnson was catching passes from Dan Orlovski Drew Stanton Daunte Culpepper and i think i'm forgetting 1 more QB.

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  • Shiver
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    Moss was injured a lot of his time in Oakland. He had nagging hamstring issues that had people thinking he was "done" and no longer had that game-breaking ability.

    Not too mention it was one of the most dysfunctional offenses in recent memory. Let us never forget the Art Shell/Tom "Bed & Breakfast" Walsh offensive juggernaut.

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  • FUNBUNCHER
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    I think nepg is talking about Rich Gannon.

    Great WRs still put up stats on bad teams. It happens all the time. It happened last year with Calvin Johnson playing for the worst team in the history of the league.

    I don't know why Randy Moss gets a pass for dogging it in Oakland. He quit on those teams, and I can't count the amount of times I saw Moss jog from the line at the snap when he played for the Raiders.

    Why do you think the Pats were able to get a future HOFer in his prime for a 4th round pick? Because everyone knew his putrid perfomance wasn't the fault of the QB or because he played on a bad team. All the questions most teams had were about Moss and his desire and passion for the game. If he even cared about being a great player or not.

    And for those who say a fortysomething Jerry Rice benefited by playing in Oakland with other talented WRs, logic says Jerry Rice's numbers would have decreased, he should not have continued to produce at an pro bowl level with supposedly fewer opportunities to catch the ball. And didn't Moss play with Jerry Porter too?

    And are Montana and Young lesser QBs because they played in an offensive machine in SF?? I don't understand why people argue Moss never benefited from not having a HOF QB. He still played with a good QB in Minnesota and a future HOFer in NE. Besides, how talented does a QB need to be to get Randy Moss the ball? He only runs one route anyway.

    Look, Moss may eclipse some of Rice's numbers, maybe he won't. But IMO people will be hard pressed to make a credible case that Moss is a better WR than Rice. Potentially equal numbers and better physical tools doesn't make you the best WR, it just puts you in the discussion.

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  • Borat
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    Originally posted by nepg View Post
    Not to mention Taylor and a host of great TE's, RB's, the greatest QB ever, another HoF QB, and a QB that would have been an HoFer if he hadn't finally gotten a chance to start so late in his career...
    I've been struggling to figure out who you are talking about. Garcia maybe? Either way, there definitely hasn't been another HOF-potential QB in SF since Young. Come on man, that's just silly.

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  • nepg
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    Not to mention Taylor and a host of great TE's, RB's, the greatest QB ever, another HoF QB, and a QB that would have been an HoFer if he hadn't finally gotten a chance to start so late in his career...

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  • LonghornsLegend
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    Originally posted by FUNBUNCHER View Post
    I can't remember ever hearing Moss described as a 'leader' on any team he's played on, bigbluedefense. He's a respected vet because of his talent, but leadership skills have always been low on Moss' list of attributes.

    There's a laundry list of NFL players who give Jerry Rice credit for teaching them how to train and workout like pros in the offseason, to improve on their games and how to always seek an edge through superb conditioning and route running technique.

    Randy Moss is without question the greatest physical specimen, outside of Calvin Johnson, to ever play the WR position, but I don't think he'll ever be considered the greatest WR to play the game.
    He's had too many seasons where the only impact he had on his team were stats, but was unable to elevate the overall performance of his team, especially his last years in Minnesota.

    And his time in Oakland where he basically flipped a middle finger to the Raiders franchise will not be soon be forgotten.

    To illustrate why Moss will fall far short in almost any comparison to Rice, let's compare their careers in Oakland.
    Moss played for the Raiders still well in his prime, (28 and 29 yrsold), and had seasons of 60/1005/8 TDs and 42/553/3 TDs.

    Rice played for Oakland well PAST his prime, ( 39, 40, and 41 yrsold), and had seasons of 83/1139/9 TDs, 92/1211/7 TDs, and 63/869/2 TDs.

    Randy Moss is a nice player, a great player to be sure and future HOFer, but he's no Jerry Rice.

    So I guess it doesn't matter that Rice played alongside Tim Brown, Jerry Porter, with Rich Gannon slinging the ball around right? Randy Moss was catching passes from Andrew freakin' Walters with an attrocious offensive line.


    I'm not saying Moss is or will be better then Rice, but put Jerry Rice on that team and ask yourself what his stats would be.

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  • Gay Ork Wang
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    Originally posted by MetSox17 View Post
    You're terribly wrong if you think Jerry Rice was the best WR in the NFL for 20 years.
    basically, more like 10-13

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  • MetSox17
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    You're terribly wrong if you think Jerry Rice was the best WR in the NFL for 20 years.

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  • FUNBUNCHER
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    Originally posted by nepg View Post
    Moss experienced 6 years of bad to below average teams around him.
    Moss only played on one Vikings team that wasn't in the top 10 in scoring.

    At worst, he played on three bad offensive teams his entire career, so what??

    Plenty of WRs have played on bad offensive teams and put up great numbers.

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  • FUNBUNCHER
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    Nepg, I'll make this simple since apparently I missed the crux of your argument.

    Why is Randy Moss in your opinion a better WR than Jerry Rice??

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  • FUNBUNCHER
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    Originally posted by Rosebud View Post
    He wasn't, RIch Gannon was the best player on that offense.
    I said 'one of the best' players on the Raiders offense.

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  • Gay Ork Wang
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    Just like the Raiders...wait....

    I dont get your argument. every top WR made his team better. Rice did, moss did, Fitzgerald does and Andre Johnson does. thats what a good player does. Rice has been the best WR in the league basically every season he played. He is the most productive player ever and WR is not a position that has a long career really. Moss needed 16 games to break Rices record that he had in 12 games. And he had Tom Brady, Wes Welker and a very very pass happy offense as well as no running game what so ever and the most aggressive play calling ever maybe (going for it on 4th and 10 with 35 points up (exaggeration))

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