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  • #31
    Originally posted by ThePudge View Post
    Cedric Benson's a Pro Bowl caliber runner if he gets enough help from our offensive line and stays healthy. MVP? No. Cedric's 2nd in line for the MVP of his own team, to a quarterback you referred to as having a mediocre year.

    Your assessment of the Bengals is all wrong. They're competing because of their defense and running game, they're winning because of Carson Palmer. Mediocre? Not unless you're looking just at numbers. 4 Games, 4 Drives, and 4 times Carson has put this team on his back and fought to win the game. It would have been 4 wins if it had not been for that debacle against Denver. Where have you been? Carson is and continues to be the heart and soul of the Bengals. The guy is not getting the credit he deserves, it's pretty crazy.

    Sorry for getting a little heated, I'm just a little tired of people looking at the numbers and assuming things about the Bengals. Some of us have watched every game, and know that the final statistics don't tell the story. Unless you witnessed Palmer's 4 drives...

    vs. Denver -
    11 plays 91 yds in 5:43. 6/6 69 yds; 1 car 2 yds. Puts the Bengals up 7-6 with 38 seconds left.

    vs. Pittsburgh -
    16 plays 71 yds in 5:00. 7/11 59 yds 1 Td; 1 car 1 yd. Game Winning 4 Yard Td pass to Andre Caldwell with 0:14 remaining. 2/2 on fourth downs.

    @ Cleveland -
    To put it into OT: 10 plays 70 yards in 4:39. 4/7 49 yds 1 Td. Game Tying 2 Yard Td pass to Chad Ochocinco on fourth down with 1:55 remaining.

    To win: 13 plays 67 yards in 3:19. 4/8 51 yds; 1 carry 15 yds. 15 yard run on 4th and 11 to set up the GW FG.

    @ Baltimore -
    11 plays 80 yds in 1:53 - Td. 4/7 49 yds 1 Td; 1 car 6 yds. Game Winning 20 yd Td pass to Andre Caldwell with 22 seconds left. 1/1 4th Down Conversions.

    Carson's the best Bengal and is being severely overlooked with the talk about the defense and running game. He's the miracle man and he's the reason we have any wins at this point. He's shown ability past any statistical category and is one of the most intangibly sound and gutsiest quarterbacks in the league. The word "poise" comes to mind and the word "clutch" has been ringing in my ear since Week Two.

    That all being said, I liked your write-up as a whole. Just have been a bit annoyed at the lack of respect for the Bengals heart and soul and chose to illustrate it here.
    While I don't disagree I think it's a tough situation. To an outside the clear reason you guys are still in games late for Carson to pull of those drives is that the defense is playing very well and Benson has stolen Brandon Jacobs' ogre powers, and carson isn't playing very well the first three quarters. That said I completely agree that you need to give Carson all of the credit in the world for those late drives, but he's going through what eli had to go through where he'll be criticized for not making that magic happen sooner so that he doesn't need to pull the game out at the last minute. Mediocre was harsh, but I think it's fair to say that he is under-achieving and if he could start leading drives like those late drives earlier in the game a lot of us would feel a lot better about the Bengals as a team that could make some real noise in the playoffs. That said it's a long season and there's still plenty of time for Carson to get on a role or for injuries to strike and that team to fall apart, so it should be fun watching this play out.

    BK

    Originally posted by AcheTen
    JPP is a better and more productive player than Brandon Graham
    Originally posted by abaddon41_80
    Is Shaun Hill a top 10 QB? Definitely not. Is he a top 20 one? Almost certainly.
    Originally posted by JBCX
    Most misleading 10+ sack season EVER.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Vox Populi View Post
      I think with respect to the way Brady is playing, some amount of it can be attributed to losing McDaniels this off-season. McDaniels was Brady's QB coach and then the offensive coordinator that made Brady an MVP and got Cassel a big pay day. Maybe losing McDaniels did hurt the Pats offense because I don't think this offense is even as good as the one that Cassel was running last season with McDaniels. Sure its easier to say this after McDaniels goes 5-0, Orton is playing pretty solid football and Brady looks much worse though...
      While I think you might be right, it's premature to say because of just how much worse Tom Brady is playing, he's not setting up his throws well and his accuracy is terrible. The only time I've seen Tom Brady play this rattled was when my giants decided to put on a pass rushing clinic in the superbowl. I hope he is able to get over this and settle down in the pocket and think in time he will. Once Brady is the Brady of yore we'll be able to fairly determine just how much of an impact SexDanielz had.

      BK

      Originally posted by AcheTen
      JPP is a better and more productive player than Brandon Graham
      Originally posted by abaddon41_80
      Is Shaun Hill a top 10 QB? Definitely not. Is he a top 20 one? Almost certainly.
      Originally posted by JBCX
      Most misleading 10+ sack season EVER.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by ThePudge View Post
        Cedric Benson's a Pro Bowl caliber runner if he gets enough help from our offensive line and stays healthy. MVP? No. Cedric's 2nd in line for the MVP of his own team, to a quarterback you referred to as having a mediocre year.

        Your assessment of the Bengals is all wrong. They're competing because of their defense and running game, they're winning because of Carson Palmer. Mediocre? Not unless you're looking just at numbers. 4 Games, 4 Drives, and 4 times Carson has put this team on his back and fought to win the game. It would have been 4 wins if it had not been for that debacle against Denver. Where have you been? Carson is and continues to be the heart and soul of the Bengals. The guy is not getting the credit he deserves, it's pretty crazy.

        Sorry for getting a little heated, I'm just a little tired of people looking at the numbers and assuming things about the Bengals. Some of us have watched every game, and know that the final statistics don't tell the story. Unless you witnessed Palmer's 4 drives...

        vs. Denver -
        11 plays 91 yds in 5:43. 6/6 69 yds; 1 car 2 yds. Puts the Bengals up 7-6 with 38 seconds left.

        vs. Pittsburgh -
        16 plays 71 yds in 5:00. 7/11 59 yds 1 Td; 1 car 1 yd. Game Winning 4 Yard Td pass to Andre Caldwell with 0:14 remaining. 2/2 on fourth downs.

        @ Cleveland -
        To put it into OT: 10 plays 70 yards in 4:39. 4/7 49 yds 1 Td. Game Tying 2 Yard Td pass to Chad Ochocinco on fourth down with 1:55 remaining.

        To win: 13 plays 67 yards in 3:19. 4/8 51 yds; 1 carry 15 yds. 15 yard run on 4th and 11 to set up the GW FG.

        @ Baltimore -
        11 plays 80 yds in 1:53 - Td. 4/7 49 yds 1 Td; 1 car 6 yds. Game Winning 20 yd Td pass to Andre Caldwell with 22 seconds left. 1/1 4th Down Conversions.

        Carson's the best Bengal and is being severely overlooked with the talk about the defense and running game. He's the miracle man and he's the reason we have any wins at this point. He's shown ability past any statistical category and is one of the most intangibly sound and gutsiest quarterbacks in the league. The word "poise" comes to mind and the word "clutch" has been ringing in my ear since Week Two.

        That all being said, I liked your write-up as a whole. Just have been a bit annoyed at the lack of respect for the Bengals heart and soul and chose to illustrate it here.
        I only saw the Denver drive, but I've been paying close attention to everything else. It's pretty amazing. It's like he can just turn on the clutch and close out games. But it is strange, because statistically he's been mediocre when it's not his team's last drive. We should bring this into the "is there such thing as clutch?" discussion because this is some damn good evidence in favour.


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        • #34
          Originally posted by slightlyabroncosfan View Post
          I only saw the Denver drive, but I've been paying close attention to everything else. It's pretty amazing. It's like he can just turn on the clutch and close out games. But it is strange, because statistically he's been mediocre when it's not his team's last drive. We should bring this into the "is there such thing as clutch?" discussion because this is some damn good evidence in favour.
          I saw Eli go through the same thing, which is why I laugh whenever someone tries to tell me there's no such thing as clutch. Hell even early brady was the same way, he'd just dink n dunk until the pressure was on and then he'd drive his team as though he were playing catch with some buddies.

          BK

          Originally posted by AcheTen
          JPP is a better and more productive player than Brandon Graham
          Originally posted by abaddon41_80
          Is Shaun Hill a top 10 QB? Definitely not. Is he a top 20 one? Almost certainly.
          Originally posted by JBCX
          Most misleading 10+ sack season EVER.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post

            -The Bengals are forreal. And more importantly, Cedric Benson is a legit MVP candidate this year.

            Yes. Cedric Benson.

            Cedric Benson.

            Who wouldve thought that? I was a big believer in the guy and thought he'd rejuvenate his career with the Bengals. I saw him run harder and faster than he ever did with the Bears, but I didn't expect him to be THIS good. He's a beast. I had him as my fantasy sleeper, and he's treating me pretty good right now ;)

            Oh, and someone rep Rosebud for me. I said since last year that the Bengals were an up and coming team, but I didn't realize it until after they played the Giants last year. I remember prior to that game Rosebud kept telling me, don't sleep on the Bengals defense, and I was like yeah whatever. After teh game though, I became a believer. I knew that team was legit and would bounce back after seeing them play.

            And they are. Theyre a good team despite Carson Palmer looking very mediocre this year. Theyre winning with defense and the run game.

            Speaking of which, lets give Jonathan Joseph some love. We know about Corey Webster's dramatic turnaround (top 3 CB in the league imo behind Nmandi and Revis), but Joseph has made an impressive turnaround himself. He's been a damn good CB for 2 years now.
            Give Ceddie his due as he has been fantastic for us to this point, but the thing I have been most impressed with is our reshuffled OL. We have former LG Andrew Whitworth now playing LT, Evan Mathis replacing incumbent Nate Livings at LG, UDFA Kyle Cook at Center, and newbie Dennis Roland playing RT. The only starter returning at the same spot is Bobbie Williams at RG. They have been much better than expected in all phases.

            Agreed on the JJ mention. When healthy he is a very good player with all the skills to become one of the best in the league but injuries have really held him back the last two years. Paired with Leon Hall, they could be one of the better duos in the league with time.

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            • #36
              Great writeup like usual. Always enjoy these.

              Thank you for mentioning Tamba Hali. Most thought it would be a rough transition for him moving to 3-4 OLB but he has shown flashes. He lost weight, he is working hard, and he is going to stick there. Gotta root for a guy that plays as hard as he does every play.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Rosebud View Post
                While I think you might be right, it's premature to say because of just how much worse Tom Brady is playing, he's not setting up his throws well and his accuracy is terrible. The only time I've seen Tom Brady play this rattled was when my giants decided to put on a pass rushing clinic in the superbowl. I hope he is able to get over this and settle down in the pocket and think in time he will. Once Brady is the Brady of yore we'll be able to fairly determine just how much of an impact SexDanielz had.
                To me the Pats just arent the team they were two years ago, on either side of the ball. They easily could have lost the Buffalo and Baltimore. Brady doesnt have the time to throw and to me Moss looks timid. Just my take.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Babylon View Post
                  To me the Pats just arent the team they were two years ago, on either side of the ball. They easily could have lost the Buffalo and Baltimore. Brady doesnt have the time to throw and to me Moss looks timid. Just my take.
                  I agree. I just think we can't really tell how different they are because of how off Brady has been. That OL has never been great but Brady used to have such great pocket presence that it didn't matter whether he got 6 seconds or 2, he'd still avoid the pressure and set himself up to make a great throw. He's just not doing that this season.

                  BK

                  Originally posted by AcheTen
                  JPP is a better and more productive player than Brandon Graham
                  Originally posted by abaddon41_80
                  Is Shaun Hill a top 10 QB? Definitely not. Is he a top 20 one? Almost certainly.
                  Originally posted by JBCX
                  Most misleading 10+ sack season EVER.

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                  • #39
                    Perhaps my words were a little misleading.

                    Im not doubting the importance of Carson's game winning drives, they have been huge for this team. And I am personally a believer in clutch, and yes Carson has been clutch this season.

                    But he's not the MVP of the team bc of it. I can make the case that, if Benson hasn't been performing the way he has, this team wouldn't be put in those clutch situations to begin with, and I can make a strong case that without Benson chewing up the clock and keeping the defense off the field, this team could just as likely be 0-5 as it is 4-1.

                    Carson has been clutch. But that doesn't make him the MVP of the team. He has been mediocre in the game up to those clutch moments. How many pick 6s has he thrown this year? I can't call him the MVP of the team when he's been average outside of the last drives of the game.

                    Now, to clarify, mediocre means average. It sounds harsher than it really is.

                    of only ordinary or moderate quality; neither good nor bad; barely adequate. per dictionary.com

                    Ordinary. Carson has been ordinary this year. But thats ok. Ive seen Eli be an ordinary qb for 3 quarters and show up clutch in the 4th for most of his career. You can be ordinary but also clutch, Ive seen it first hand prior to Eli becoming the qb he has become the past couple of years.

                    But you can't call him the MVP of the team bc of it. Its just not fair to the other guys. Benson has carried that offense. He carried that offense vs Baltimore. He's easily the MVP of the team in my mind. The whole team feeds off of his contributions. The defense doesn't play the way it does without the rest he gives them, the complimentary pass game doesn't produce the way it does without him softening the defense.

                    Now I could be ignorant of the situation. If Carson is calling the plays at the line, audibles and adjusts the protection schemes or the run blocking, etc (ie, call the offense and adjust it on his own), then you can make a case for Carson. But I don't have that knowledge of the team, so as an outsider, I view Benson as the guy.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by vidae-KC View Post
                      Great writeup like usual. Always enjoy these.

                      Thank you for mentioning Tamba Hali. Most thought it would be a rough transition for him moving to 3-4 OLB but he has shown flashes. He lost weight, he is working hard, and he is going to stick there. Gotta root for a guy that plays as hard as he does every play.
                      A lot of people forget Hali was very raw coming out of college too. As I recall he didn't play football until sometime in high school. Alot of times it just takes guys like that a couple years to adjust and get going at this level. Or it takes scheme change for a guy to really blossom and find their niche.

                      On another note I'm curious to see if the Packers would consider trading Kampman to a 4-3 team with a need for a pass rusher. My guess is that they could probably get a first round pick for him.

                      I'm not really sure of a team (probably would be looking to make playoff run) who needs a 4-3 end though. At least not off the top of my head.
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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Forenci View Post
                        A lot of people forget Hali was very raw coming out of college too. As I recall he didn't play football until sometime in high school. Alot of times it just takes guys like that a couple years to adjust and get going at this level. Or it takes scheme change for a guy to really blossom and find their niche.

                        On another note I'm curious to see if the Packers would consider trading Kampman to a 4-3 team with a need for a pass rusher. My guess is that they could probably get a first round pick for him.

                        I'm not really sure of a team (probably would be looking to make playoff run) who needs a 4-3 end though. At least not off the top of my head.
                        I think the Bengals would be open to it. Maybe the Titans.

                        Id give em Kiwi and a 4th for him. How awesome would our dline be with Kampman?

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
                          I think the Bengals would be open to it. Maybe the Titans.

                          Id give em Kiwi and a 4th for him. How awesome would our dline be with Kampman?
                          Bengals would probably make sense too. They aren't in the NFC, their first round pick will probably be late enough to where they could live without it this year, and I think they could use an elite pass rusher.
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                          • #43
                            I don't know why you're bashing DHB.

                            He won a race yesterday at Giants stadium even though the other runner had a head start.

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                            • #44
                              I'd love Kampman here, but I don't know if we have room. Plus, our pass rush has been good thus far, just not elite.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by bernbabybern820 View Post
                                I don't know why you're bashing DHB.

                                He won a race yesterday at Giants stadium even though the other runner had a head start.

                                hahaha, i remember that. i was like wtf is he doing?

                                the comments on that video had me cracking up, esp the one where the guy says "he was waiting for someone to pass him the baton"

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