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  • For real though njx is right. It's pretty natural for us, as fans, to assume that either
    a) our football playing heroes can get any girl they want
    b) anyone who accuses them of rape is just after the money.

    But both of those things are obviously wrong. She was drinking, big whoop. I know in the states, underage drinking is way more frowned upon than it is here in Canada, but honestly if on the scale of crimes committed, underage drinking is above sexual assault, it's a joke. It's like if a drunk driver kills someone in an accident and it's reported the person who died wasn't wearing a seatbelt and that's supposed to make the drunk driver innocent. I know no one is saying that here, but like YFS said, they're gonna use the fact that she was drinking against her, fair or not.

    Anyway, I don't know for sure what happened and I'm not going to blame Ben here, because we don't know what happened. But what njx is doing is 100% correct, because if he wasn't here there's a good chance this whole thing would just turn into a "oh, she was a drunk ho, and besides, who wouldn't sleep with Ben? I'm a straight man and I'd be honoured" and series of rape jokes.


    Originally posted by Scott Wright
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    Originally posted by njx9
    do i tell you when to flip the burger?

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    • Originally posted by njx9
      it's pretty impressive that you were able to comb through some 19,000+ posts and come to that conclusion (you DID say 'every').

      but really, is that the best you can do? 'you defend potential sexual assault victims, so you must be a girl! it's much more manly to make jokes about how funny rape is, lulz!'
      i am sorry i wasn't specific enough. i thought for sure the three quotes i put in would be enough of an indicator. all i was trying to inflect with my post is that you are way to emotionally involved. seriously were you raped or was someone close to you raped?

      Yes. Damn you njx for not assuming every girl who gets assaulted or raped is a golddigging ***** who deserved it!
      where have i advocated that stance?

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      • Originally posted by MichaelJordanEberle (sabf) View Post
        For real though njx is right. It's pretty natural for us, as fans, to assume that either
        a) our football playing heroes can get any girl they want
        b) anyone who accuses them of rape is just after the money.

        But both of those things are obviously wrong. She was drinking, big whoop. I know in the states, underage drinking is way more frowned upon than it is here in Canada, but honestly if on the scale of crimes committed, underage drinking is above sexual assault, it's a joke. It's like if a drunk driver kills someone in an accident and it's reported the person who died wasn't wearing a seatbelt and that's supposed to make the drunk driver innocent. I know no one is saying that here, but like YFS said, they're gonna use the fact that she was drinking against her, fair or not.

        Anyway, I don't know for sure what happened and I'm not going to blame Ben here, because we don't know what happened. But what njx is doing is 100% correct, because if he wasn't here there's a good chance this whole thing would just turn into a "oh, she was a drunk ho, and besides, who wouldn't sleep with Ben? I'm a straight man and I'd be honoured" and series of rape jokes.
        which that insensitivity(that i am guilty of) was probably one of the reasons AQ left and there aren't more female posters on here.

        (if i'm wrong then please don't post the replies here, leave this discussion for Big Ben)
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        • How many cases in the last 20 years dealing with sexual assualt have actually resulted in the athlete/person you or I know be indicted on charges and actually charged/brought to court for that offense?

          I know it is an issue that has to be dealt on a case by case scenario. More often than not their are too many inconsistancies in the case against the accusee. Alcohol, drugs, entourages, etc.

          Once I hear of stories where charges are brought forward, people are convicted and jailed then I won't be on the sidelines waiting for things to play out. My personal experience with this issue(not me myself, but those close to me) make me apprehensive in thinking this girl, whom ever it may be has a valid case. But I will state it is something dealt on a case by case scenario. Innocent until proven guilty works for both accuser and accusee. Bring forward a case that is substantiated with a consistant story where someone actually is charged and incarcerated then I'll take off my pom poms.
          my scent?...like making love to a lumberjack
          <TACKLE> i will ngata give you a bj raji
          <+BOE> Scott, with Burfict's character concerns (whether legit or not) you think Pioli would draft him. :D
          <+ScottWright> Why not. Baldwin does need a sparring partner...
          Originally posted by Hermstheman83
          What's with the hate on Ricky Stanzi? Those youtube clips of him with the hulk hogan theme music instantly make him better than Luck.

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          • Originally posted by Prowler View Post
            which that insensitivity(that i am guilty of) was probably one of the reasons AQ left and there aren't more female posters on here.

            (if i'm wrong then please don't post the replies here, leave this discussion for Big Ben)
            Please. AQ didn't leave because of rape jokes. She left because she was a psycho hosebeast who pulled the sexist card every opportunity she got.

            She freaked out on a fellow poster who put up a gif from a scene from It's Always Sunny where a biker almost gets run over by a car. Why? Because [i]she's[/b] rides a bike everywhere so she knows how it feels to not be respected on the road. Therefore, nobody should be allowed to laugh at it because SHE deemed it cruel and insensitive to people who ride bikes.

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            • still, my attempted point is that having a ''wolf pack'' of male posters already leads itself to a gender insensitive environment. because of the nature of this topic, any gender sensitive remarks will be taken a closer look at than say in the locker room discussions. if we happen to have a pittsburgh steeler female fan sign up and look at this thread, then she will most likely be outraged and will not post here again.

              and yes i am guilty as hell of being insensitive. look at my prowler's guide to women in one of the relationship threads....but i see i should temper my comments in this thread.
              SCA Prowler is my Xbox Live Gamertag
              Fire Caldwell!!!

              Prowler's Newb Guide

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              • Originally posted by Prowler View Post
                still, my attempted point is that having a ''wolf pack'' of male posters already leads itself to a gender insensitive environment. because of the nature of this topic, any gender sensitive remarks will be taken a closer look at than say in the locker room discussions. if we happen to have a pittsburgh steeler female fan sign up and look at this thread, then she will most likely be outraged and will not post here again.

                and yes i am guilty as hell of being insensitive. look at my prowler's guide to women in one of the relationship threads....but i see i should temper my comments in this thread.
                I would love to look at your Prowler's Guide to Women, but I don't have Off-Topic viewing or posting priviledges.

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                • Originally posted by njx9
                  relevance? (not trying to be a prick here, even though it likely sounds that way)



                  how many of those were hushed over because said athlete had the money to buy off a legitimate case, or because he or she was able to intimidate the accuser ('i have nearly unlimited funds and will destroy you in court, etc.')? how many people STILL think mike tyson was innocent?

                  none of this is relevant to this/any other case.
                  if this is not relevant to this case then fine, the girl is obviously a money grubbing ***** because this has been going on this long and its getting no where.

                  the facts presented so far screams prom queen screaming rape
                  my scent?...like making love to a lumberjack
                  <TACKLE> i will ngata give you a bj raji
                  <+BOE> Scott, with Burfict's character concerns (whether legit or not) you think Pioli would draft him. :D
                  <+ScottWright> Why not. Baldwin does need a sparring partner...
                  Originally posted by Hermstheman83
                  What's with the hate on Ricky Stanzi? Those youtube clips of him with the hulk hogan theme music instantly make him better than Luck.

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                  • there's a shadow over too much of this to really see anything clearly in this situation. there's a very very real chance that this woman was actually either pushed or struck by roethlisberger in a locked bathroom that was being guarded by his bodyguard. and there's a chance that this was atleast partially caught on video and then covered up. there is also a chance that roethlisberger has made her life a living hell for these past few weeks and has now offered her money to refuse to cooperate and to make the press stop hounding her.

                    and yeah there's also a chance that this never happened and was a bad dream.
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                    • Originally posted by njx9
                      money grubbing? based on the complete lack of a civil suit? that's an intriguing interpretation of how the criminal courts work.

                      also, i don't understand how an irrelevant comments leads to "she's obviously scum based on the complete lack of knowledge i have regarding this case", but to each their own, i guess.
                      ok maybe just a ***** works.

                      It's not my fault more than half of sexual assault cases are not reported but the ones that are the lead to conviction then jail time are about 10%. IS that because of the judicial system?
                      Last edited by bored of education; 03-26-2010, 02:28 PM.
                      my scent?...like making love to a lumberjack
                      <TACKLE> i will ngata give you a bj raji
                      <+BOE> Scott, with Burfict's character concerns (whether legit or not) you think Pioli would draft him. :D
                      <+ScottWright> Why not. Baldwin does need a sparring partner...
                      Originally posted by Hermstheman83
                      What's with the hate on Ricky Stanzi? Those youtube clips of him with the hulk hogan theme music instantly make him better than Luck.

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                      • Originally posted by njx9
                        citation needed. regardless, there are a substantial number of arguments for. given that neither of us sat on a single one of those juries, any theorizing otherwise is pure conjecture and AGAIN completely irrelevant to THIS CASE.

                        you're basically arguing that q implies p because p implies q. it's a ridiculous way to construct an argument.

                        if you want to say 'i think this woman, in spite of having no knowledge of anything in this case, other than that evidence has been tampered with and that the cops are not asking for DNA evidence anymore, is a worthless ***** and should be thrown in jail posthaste for false reporting', just say it. trying to couch it in an actual argument is counter-productive to your cause.
                        i think this woman, in spite of having no knowledge of anything in this case, other than that evidence has been tampered with and that the cops are not asking for DNA evidence anymore, is a worthless ***** and should be thrown in jail posthaste for false reporting
                        my scent?...like making love to a lumberjack
                        <TACKLE> i will ngata give you a bj raji
                        <+BOE> Scott, with Burfict's character concerns (whether legit or not) you think Pioli would draft him. :D
                        <+ScottWright> Why not. Baldwin does need a sparring partner...
                        Originally posted by Hermstheman83
                        What's with the hate on Ricky Stanzi? Those youtube clips of him with the hulk hogan theme music instantly make him better than Luck.

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                        • References
                          U.S. Department of Justice.2005 National Crime Victimization Study. 2005.
                          Bureau of Justice Statistics. Rape and Sexual Assault: Reporting to Police and Medical Attention. 1992-2000.
                          National Center for Policy Analysis. Crime and Punishment in America. 1999.
                          my scent?...like making love to a lumberjack
                          <TACKLE> i will ngata give you a bj raji
                          <+BOE> Scott, with Burfict's character concerns (whether legit or not) you think Pioli would draft him. :D
                          <+ScottWright> Why not. Baldwin does need a sparring partner...
                          Originally posted by Hermstheman83
                          What's with the hate on Ricky Stanzi? Those youtube clips of him with the hulk hogan theme music instantly make him better than Luck.

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                          • Originally posted by njx9
                            money grubbing? based on the complete lack of a civil suit? that's an intriguing interpretation of how the criminal courts work.

                            also, i don't understand how an irrelevant comments leads to "she's obviously scum based on the complete lack of knowledge i have regarding this case", but to each their own, i guess.
                            The civil suit doesn't always have to be filed in conjunction with the criminal charge. In fact, it's usually done because her attorneys will have to assess what the totality of the claims filed will be and how much to ask for in damages. This isn't usually known until months after the incident, when they can claim that she's suffering mental and emotional imstability as a result of the incident or if she becomes the target of public scorn.

                            I don't know if the accuser has retained an attorney or not so maybe someone can confirm if she does or doesn't. But if she has retained legal counsel you can almost guarantee a civil suit will be eventually be filed. Firstly, the attorney will see a potential goldmine and will probably pressure her into it, and even if Ben is not indicted criminally, she will still have attorney fees and costs to pay for (again IF she has retained an attorney - I currently have no idea if she has).

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                            • Originally posted by njx9
                              were nicole brown's (and the other dude's, can't remember his name) family a bunch of gold diggers, then? i don't buy it. they went through the proper criminal channels first.

                              i think it's personally ridiculous that the wrongful death verdict could be guilty when murder wasn't, but i'm not intending to debate the nuances of civil v. criminal proceedings.
                              I never insinuated that. I'm simply stating that the fact that she hasn't filed a civil suit doesn't mean that she won't. It's almost guaranteed to happen - regardless if her motive is to just get paid off or if he really did it and she does deserve monetary compensation. I'm not taking a side either way because I don't know anything about this case. I also don't know enough about the OJ case to compare it to this one, as I was still very young during that trial. I don't remember if the Goldman's filed their civil suit in conjunction with OJ indictment or after he had been acquitted.

                              Interesting that you use the OJ comparison, though because at this point, it looks like the case is being completely bungled by investigators.

                              And regarding the wrongful death vs murder...that's just how it is. Two different courts of law, two different standards of innocence and guilt, and two differerent sets of rules regarding how much protection the defendant has.

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                              • Originally posted by njx9
                                i'm certainly nott trying to pin that point of view on you, so much as highlighting the ridiculous way the girl has been portrayed here. regardless of whether a civil suit *ever* emerges, calling her a 'gold digger' for initiating criminal proceedings is ******* idiotic.

                                as i remember the OJ case, the civil trial wasn't initiated until he was pronounced innocent. as i remember, it was initiated to 'punish' OJ because everyone 'knew' () he was guilty.

                                i'm unsure why they'd need to press to recoup legal fees, however. as i understand it, the DA should be prosecuting the case, and as far as i'm aware (obviously, IANAL) the state would be the one pressing the case, not her personal attorneys. (assuming, of course, that she hasn't retained her own representation for some reason)



                                yeah, i'm not sure why, even if one has to go investigate a second case, one would leave what might be the only copy of crucial evidence at the scene. whatever.



                                yup.
                                It just depends on if she has retained legal counsel or not. If she did, she'll still be on the hook for a retainer agreement that could be anywhere from $1000 to $5000 whether she decides to file a suit or not (nothing outrageous, but still a lot of money to a twenty year old college student). That's why I said a big clue to whether there will be a civil suit or not is if she has already hired an attorney.

                                Also, there needs to be a complete overhaul of the judicial system, but that's a post for a whole other day.

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