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  • #16
    i think dumping Ron Turner was the biggest move. Just look at how the offense played when his favorite target was starting and we didnt call those weird ass screens anymore but started with rollouts and PAs

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    • #17
      the detroit lions at this point are the weird little brother nobody ever mentions in these truth posts.

      And Jahvid Best doesn't count, he's not even signed yet.
      Last edited by Addict; 05-04-2010, 05:11 AM.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by FlyingElvis View Post
        There's an awful lot of young players gaining experience over the last 2 years on that defense. Losing the 2 defensive leaders in Bru and Harrison in the same season Seymour was shipped out hurts, too. But I think assuming there's no way the team can rebound from that is premature.

        Like I said, call it the end. I love the results I see when Belichick's teams are considered the dogs.
        Our team is done, get used to it.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Addict View Post
          the detroit lions at this point are the weird little brother nobody ever mentions in these truth posts.

          And Jahvid Best doesn't count, he's not even signed yet.

          Oh I love the Detroit Lions. If Favre retires I think they may finish 2nd in the division. It is a shame they aren't in the NFC West and have to compete with Green Bay and Minnesota. They are still a year off, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if they flirt with 7-9 wins.

          Matt Stafford made a believer out of me in that gutsy win against Cleveland. Whatever "it" is, he has it. He had a few games where he threw a ton of interceptions, but on a lousy team playing behind I like that he didn't back down. He has Pettigrew, Scheffler, Burelson, Calvin Johnson and now Best. That offense will be very good this year I think. The O-Line isn't great, but it isn't terrible either. On defense I think they will be better off with Vanden Bosch, Williams and Suh solidifying the D-Line, but they still lack the talent in the back seven for me to take them seriously as a unit.

          Originally posted by Defsoul View Post
          Our team is done, get used to it.
          Roll your eyes all you want, but it is a fact that you went from a very old team (2007) to a very young team (2010). There is going to be a tough transition period. The dominant defense is gone, there is no offensive balance and the old veterans have yet to be replaced.
          Last edited by Shiver; 05-04-2010, 05:53 AM.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Shiver View Post
            Oh I love the Detroit Lions. If Favre retires I think they may finish 2nd in the division. It is a shame they aren't in the NFC West and have to compete with Green Bay and Minnesota. They are still a year off, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if they flirt with 7-9 wins.

            Matt Stafford made a believer out of me in that gutsy win against Cleveland. Whatever "it" is, he has it. He had a few games where he threw a ton of interceptions, but on a lousy team playing behind I like that he didn't back down. He has Pettigrew, Scheffler, Burelson, Calvin Johnson and now Best. That offense will be very good this year I think. The O-Line isn't great, but it isn't terrible either. On defense I think they will be better off with Vanden Bosch, Williams and Suh solidifying the D-Line, but they still lack the talent in the back seven for me to take them seriously as a unit.
            I was just messing around, Shiv. Although I'm glad to see you're a believer. The big issue I think with the NFC North is how pass-rush heavy it's gotten. Every team it seems has a or a few good to very good pass rushers and we have a young QB and a less than stellar offensive line. Defensively we could use some help at corner, but the linebackers are decent enough and the D-line is a lot better than it was last year.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Shiver View Post
              [*] Chris Johnson will not be able to handle the workload, yet they have no better option. He has a huge injury red flag for me.
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              Javon Ringer says hi. Btw Lendale didnt even get 70 carries last year......



              Originally posted by Jurrell Casey
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              • #22
                -The Lions offensive line is mediocre, so Jahvid Best may have a hard time finding space, especially with that division schedule.

                -Pete Carroll's problem is that he's a ra ra coach, which is great for college, but is a disaster in the NFL. If he brings the same approach, he's going to fail miserably again. NFL players will not take that stuff seriously. Ask Lou Holtz.

                -DROY is Rolando McClain's to lose if you ask me... he's the middle linebacker in a good situation on defense and he's going to start immediately.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Shiver View Post
                  The McNabb Era, Not Terribly Missed[/U]

                  I've said it and will say it again: The Eagles fleeced the Redskins. Trading for a 33 year old QB, whose stats have largely benefited from a favorable offense now goes to a team that has a worse O-Line, next to no weapons and a backfield that conjures back memories of Madden 2006, it just strikes me as a bad decision. Even if the Redskins benefit in the near term it will not pay off in the long run. My take is that it won't pay off in either way.
                  Fleeced? Really dude? A 2nd round pick for a proven veteran franchise QB who is a proven winner and done so in the division? If anyone was fleeced it was Philly. Trading their proven franchise QB in the division and putting their hoped in a QB with a 2 game sample size. Not saying that Kolb won't be a good QB but its a big risk. What other move was better for the Redskins? Keep Campbell? No. Select Clausen? A bigger risk then Kolb since he never played a game in the NFL yet. Its not a stretch to say that McNabb has at least 3 years left of high level playing.

                  As far as the players around him. The OL is a wash argument. Changing from a power blocking to a zone blocking scheme has yet to be seen in action. Kyle Shanahan (OC) was interviewed and asked about his OL prior to the draft and he said that he was extremely confident about the OL and he doesn't see a unit as bad as everyone said. He said they were not used properly and he will be using them to their potential. Its silly to expect a turn around from what they were last year to best OL in the league, but its not impossible to play better in a different scheme. Add that we just added a rookie franchise LT.

                  Saying that the RBs are washed up is an overreaction. Because they haven't played their best last year doesn't mean they are washed up. Portis, Johnson and Parker want to start which is going to push the others to be better. A resurgence from any or all 3 is not out of the question, certainly not for Portis and Johnson.

                  Next to no weapons? We are stacked at TE. Thomas and Kelly are two young hungry WRs. Neither have proven anything yet but their talent is there. I remind you they had Jason "lock on" Campbell throwing to them. Not to mention Moss moving to the slot, which will be much better for him not having to be a #1 WR.

                  I dont think this trade for McNabb can be judged yet. There are too many factors that have to be witnessed before. If this move was made with the previous staff I would see it as an epic failure. But with Shanahan's past success with a veteran, I like the move. I look at it this way, he is better then what we had. If McNabb wins a SB in DC and Kolb is a bust its highway robbery for us. If Kolb takes Philly to the promise land and McNabb is always hurt, then its a damn good trade for Philly. Its just way too soon to judge either.

                  2011 FA: FS - OJ Atogwe
                  2011 Draft Picks: Ryan Kerrigan-OLB-Purdue, Jarvis Jenkins-DE-Clemson, Leonard Hankerson-WR-Miami, Roy Helu-RB-Nebraska, DeJon Gomes-CB/S-Nebraska, Niles Paul-WR-Nebraska, Evan Royster-RB-Penn State, Aldrick Robinson-WR-SMU, Brandyn Thompson-CB-Boise State, Maurice Hurt-OG-Florida, Markus White-OLB-Florida State, Chris Neild-NT-West Virginia

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                  • #24
                    It's a myth that college coaches don't make it in the NFL. People jumped on that bandwagon because of recent history and big names like Steve Spurrier, Nick Saban, and Bobby Petrino. People forget that Tom Coughlin, Jimmy Johnson, Bill Walsh and Bill Parcells were all college coaches at one time. There's no curse on college coaches, just media members who don't do their research, and fans who take their word for it.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Halsey View Post
                      It's a myth that college coaches don't make it in the NFL. People jumped on that bandwagon because of recent history and big names like Steve Spurrier, Nick Saban, and Bobby Petrino. People forget that Tom Coughlin, Jimmy Johnson, Bill Walsh and Bill Parcells were all college coaches at one time. There's no curse on college coaches, just media members who don't do their research, and fans who take their word for it.
                      Bill Walsh coached 2 years at Stanford before getting the 49ers head coaching job. Before that, he was an assistant with San Diego, Cincinnati, and Oakland. He went to Stanford because he was passed over a number of times for an NFL head coaching gig he rightly deserved.

                      Bill Parcells was the defensive coordinator of the New York Giants and succeeded Ray Perkins as head coach

                      Both of those are absolutely horrible examples

                      Also, the game has changed and all of your examples are all 15+ years removed
                      Last edited by wonderbredd24; 05-04-2010, 11:22 AM.

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                      • #26
                        Oooo, I love it.

                        Yet, I disagree with so much of it.


                        You're tempting me to make another truths thread, I haven't done 1 in like 2 years, but I'm too lazy these days to make 1.

                        I'm curious to see how much of this winds up true.


                        The fact that I disagree with a lot of it is a good thing, bc I always felt that these threads should be controversial and out of the box, that's what makes a truths thread a truths thread.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Halsey View Post
                          It's a myth that college coaches don't make it in the NFL. People jumped on that bandwagon because of recent history and big names like Steve Spurrier, Nick Saban, and Bobby Petrino. People forget that Tom Coughlin, Jimmy Johnson, Bill Walsh and Bill Parcells were all college coaches at one time. There's no curse on college coaches, just media members who don't do their research, and fans who take their word for it.
                          Coughlin, Walsh and Parcells are all NFL guys who also have college experience. I think thats different from a college guy who comes fresh into the NFL.

                          Having that said, with the rule changes in the NFL, the game is becoming more and more like college football nowadays anyway, so I don't see why some college guys can't hack it in today's game.

                          Steve Spurrier came into the league 10 years too early. His run and gun would work nowadays, but had no chance back then.

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                          • #28
                            Carroll had a ton of NFL coaching experience before he went to USC. Defensive coordinator of the Jets for 4 years. Head Coach of the Jets after that, than defensive coordinator for the Niners. Head Coach of the Pats.

                            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Carroll

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by wonderbredd24 View Post
                              Bill Walsh coached 2 years at Stanford before getting the 49ers head coaching job. Before that, he was an assistant with San Diego, Cincinnati, and Oakland. He went to Stanford because he was passed over a number of times for an NFL head coaching gig he rightly deserved.

                              Bill Parcells was the defensive coordinator of the New York Giants and succeeded Ray Perkins as head coach

                              Both of those are absolutely horrible examples

                              Also, the game has changed and all of your examples are all 15+ years removed
                              Walsh and Parcells both held multiple college coaching positions before getting a single NFL job. Parcells spent well over a decade in college and was head coach at the Air Force academy. Please, give me the no-knowledge breakdown on how that's a horrible example. I need a good laugh.

                              And where's the cutoff as to what applies to modern coaching. Spurrier has been out of the NFL for over 6 years? The game has changed over the last 6 year. But I bet that counts, right? :D

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
                                Coughlin, Walsh and Parcells are all NFL guys
                                What makes them "NFL guys"? Parcells spent over a decade coaching in college before entering the NFL and his first head coaching job was in college. Are you saying he was an "NFL guy" before he even held an NFL job?

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