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  • #31
    Originally posted by Shiver View Post
    [*] Barrett Ruud is very unheralded and now that he has McCoy and Price in front of him (Ryan Sims was their best DT last year!) he will get it done. Pay attention to him. By the way, the NFC South probably has the best MLBs of any division: Vilma, Beason, Ruud and Lofton is tough to beat.
    I completely agree with this sentiment and they definitely have the best group of 4-3 MLBs but 3-4 MLBs, the AFC East takes the cake. Jerod Mayo, Karlos Dansby, Paul Posluszny, David Harris, and Bart Scott are all Pro Bowl caliber players and Andra Davis and Channing Crowder as solid options with guys like A.J. Edds and Brandon Spikes as rookies that should make big impacts as well.

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    • #32
      Guys Wiki it'll tell you all about Coughlin, Walsh and Parcells, Carroll coaching jobs.

      Pete only spent 4 years in college and then spent 8/9 years coaching NFL level before becoming a HC.


      Its all about a person to person basis, and how they are brought up through the rankings.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Halsey View Post
        Walsh and Parcells both held multiple college coaching positions before getting a single NFL job. Parcells spent well over a decade in college and was head coach at the Air Force academy. Please, give me the no-knowledge breakdown on how that's a horrible example. I need a good laugh.

        And where's the cutoff as to what applies to modern coaching. Spurrier has been out of the NFL for over 6 years? The game has changed over the last 6 year. But I bet that counts, right? :D
        You're trying to twist the argument into something it isn't because your original argument was without merit. Nice try.

        The last success story you can point to is Tom Coughlin which was for the expansion Jaguars. That's where the 15+ years comes in and Coughlin had substantial NFL experience before that.

        All of these miserable failures are extremely recent, which is why people believe a college coach cannot make the jump to the NFL successfully anymore and that the game has changed too much largely due to the fact that in college, these coaches have all of the power and then in the NFL, they are dealing with people who make more money than they do.

        Bill Walsh was in the NFL from 1966 to 1976 before taking the Stanford head coaching job from 1977 to 1978 before taking over the San Francisco 49ers. He was an incredibly highly thought of coach in the NFL and was supposed to get the head coaching job for the Cincinnati Bengals when Paul Brown stepped down, but he opted for the offensive line coach instead. Bill Walsh then went to work for Sid Gilman as his offensive coordinator for the Chargers before taking the Stanford job for all of 2 years before becoming the 49ers head coach. Walsh had more experience in the NFL than he did in college, so are you seriously going to sit there and tell me the 49ers were taking a chance on a college head coach when they made that hire and not a guy with substantial NFL experience and success with 3 different organizations who had already had serious consideration for an NFL head coaching job? Seriously?

        As for Bill Parcells, he spent a substantial amount of time in college, but your argument was (until you tried to change it unsuccessfully) that he was a successful jump from college to the NFL as if he was hired from a college head coaching position to the New York Giants when in fact he was an assistant head coach for the New York Giants already and was picked to be the successor by Ray Perkins.

        This argument comes down to guys like Jimmy Johnson, Butch Davis, Steve Spurrier, so on and so forth who were coaches defined by their college success being hired to take over an NFL job and succeeding or failing on that premise.

        Based on the argument you're trying to change this to, Mike Holmgren was a successful college coach who made it in the NFL, because he coached at places like San Francisco State and BYU before being hired to the San Francisco 49ers and then the Green Bay Packers.

        Joe Gibbs had 3 coaching jobs in college at San Diego State, Florida State, and USC, so I guess he conveniently fits into the definition you've changed your argument into as well.

        I hope you get a good laugh at your own massive amount of fail

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        • #34
          Originally posted by TonyGfortheTD View Post
          I'm going to counter this, because this is becoming the new "Texans gonna go somewhere" line. For every step forward they make (a quality draft), they take a big step back (Jamarcus Russel continues to collect money).
          I disagree with both the Raiders and the Texans.

          Every year we see teams end their seasons on high notes with a couple of meaningless wins, go into the next season hyped up, and end up falling flat on their faces.

          Also, Tom Coughlin was a coach on Bill Parcells' Superbowl teams with the Giants. So he definitely had some NFL experience before jumping from being BC's coach to coach of the Jags.
          Last edited by yourfavestoner; 05-04-2010, 01:35 PM.

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          • #35
            position coach at 'Cuse and Boston, then GB and Philly and then Giants.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by yourfavestoner View Post
              I disagree with both the Raiders and the Texans.
              I picked Arizona to be the sexy sleeper team for two years, then I gave up hope and they made it to an almost Super Bowl championship. Houston is going to do the same thing to me. I will not give up this time. They were seriously Ben Tate + Neil Rackers away from 13-3 last year. Kris Brown should be banned from the state of Texas permanently.

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              • #37
                "Look at the stats and you will find that Philip Rivers has been the best QB in the NFL the past two years."


                In the regular season, yes, in the playoffs...not so much.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Shiver View Post
                  I am not really a fan of Matthews, but his situation is definitely in his favor. I question San Diego's run blocking and commitment to the run. I really thought he was over-drafted based on his NFL-translatable talent.
                  I think he's a Ryan Grant clone or his twin brother. They are shockingly identical when you look at measurables and they play almost alike as well. If you would draft a rookie Ryan Grant at 12th overall, then there's Matthews. I wouldn't. I don't think many other people would either. Ryan Grant's pretty good and productive - we got him for a 6th which was a steal - but if we drafted him 12th I would be pissed.

                  Thanks to BK for the sig

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by wonderbredd24 View Post
                    -The Lions offensive line is mediocre, so Jahvid Best may have a hard time finding space, especially with that division schedule.

                    -Pete Carroll's problem is that he's a ra ra coach, which is great for college, but is a disaster in the NFL. If he brings the same approach, he's going to fail miserably again. NFL players will not take that stuff seriously. Ask Lou Holtz.

                    -DROY is Rolando McClain's to lose if you ask me... he's the middle linebacker in a good situation on defense and he's going to start immediately.
                    Does anybody else see an uncanny comparison between Herm Edwards and Pete Carroll as coaches?

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by yourfavestoner View Post
                      Does anybody else see an uncanny comparison between Herm Edwards and Pete Carroll as coaches?
                      If I was an athletic director with a big budget for my coach, Herm Edwards would be my first phone call. He'd be a phenominal college coach, be fantastic in a recruit's home with the parents and getting kids pumped up... would be absolutely tremendous as a college coach if he'd just do it.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Shiver View Post
                        I am not really a fan of Matthews, but his situation is definitely in his favor. I question San Diego's run blocking and commitment to the run. I really thought he was over-drafted based on his NFL-translatable talent.
                        With Norv as HC, there will always be a commitment to the run. For example, even with a declining LT, we still tried to run the ball 45% of the time last year. I think having a young and promising RB (who played in a similar power run system at Fresno) will greatly improve the team's running game.

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                        • #42
                          I picked Stephen Jackson in last years FF with friends #2 overall, and I would do it again. Why you ask?

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Xenos View Post
                            With Norv as HC, there will always be a commitment to the run. For example, even with a declining LT, we still tried to run the ball 45% of the time last year. I think having a young and promising RB (who played in a similar power run system at Fresno) will greatly improve the team's running game.
                            Exactly. Norv is still the same guy who rode Emmitt Smith to multiple Superbowls and ran Ricky Williams into retirement, He hasn't stuck with the run because the Chargers had no legitimate running threat. Hell, LT still got 315 carries and had 15 TDs in Norv's first year there. Once LT fell off the cliff, Turner was pretty much forced to live and die by Rivers' arm.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by contento View Post
                              "Look at the stats and you will find that Philip Rivers has been the best QB in the NFL the past two years."


                              In the regular season, yes, in the playoffs...not so much.
                              I agree. Rivers is getting a ton of credit now for that team, but I think he should get all the blame for the play off loses as well.

                              Also, If I look at the stats, I'll find that Phillip Rivers has the best stats, sure. But I still think Brees has been more impressive over the last 2 years.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Bengalsrocket View Post
                                I agree. Rivers is getting a ton of credit now for that team, but I think he should get all the blame for the play off loses as well.

                                Also, If I look at the stats, I'll find that Phillip Rivers has the best stats, sure. But I still think Brees has been more impressive over the last 2 years.
                                I don't necessarily think he deserves all the blame. He has had boneheaded plays, but there are also others where it was just plain flukey. The Revis interception, for example, was a great example where Vincent Jackson should have caught the ball for an easy first down, but instead let it bounce off of him then his feet and into Revis's arm.

                                Also, the thing that makes Rivers' stats unique compared to someone like Brees is that he has put up those numbers despite not having anyway near as many pass attempts as Brees or other top QBs, like Peyton and Brady, has the past two years. I believe Rivers is like in the bottom ten or something like that in terms of passing attempts. It just goes to show that even with a declining LT, we were still going to try to run the ball.

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