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  • #16
    Apparently alot of teams/scouts/gm's didn't like him considering he had the biggest plummet in NFL draft history. If he was there it would have been 10x worse than Quinn or Rodgers.

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    • #17
      As a Packer fan, I'd say Clausen feels much more like Brian Brohm than Aaron Rodgers when they were initially drafted. I know that isn't the most in depth analysis but I'll buy into:
      -Every team, many twice, including many QB desperate teams passed on him
      -He didn't win much in college
      -He had receivers and a good coach (maybe) but still underperformed
      -Really, what kind of separation is there between him and "just another guy"? Average physical tools and average team.

      I'm not trying to throw him under the bus for not carrying his team to a championship. Just saying that there was more hype than substance and if he's going to succeed in the NFL he'll need to have a never quit attitude and have things work out his way. Remember he's not a top 10 prospect anymore he's a second round draft pick.

      Thanks to BK for the sig

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      • #18
        This thread, so far, delivers.

        Originally posted by fenikz
        His soft D really turns me off
        ** RIP themaninblack. You will be missed. **

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        • #19
          Originally posted by umphrey View Post
          As a Packer fan, I'd say Clausen feels much more like Brian Brohm than Aaron Rodgers when they were initially drafted. I know that isn't the most in depth analysis but I'll buy into:
          -Every team, many twice, including many QB desperate teams passed on him
          -He didn't win much in college
          -He had receivers and a good coach (maybe) but still underperformed
          -Really, what kind of separation is there between him and "just another guy"? Average physical tools and average team.

          I'm not trying to throw him under the bus for not carrying his team to a championship. Just saying that there was more hype than substance and if he's going to succeed in the NFL he'll need to have a never quit attitude and have things work out his way. Remember he's not a top 10 prospect anymore he's a second round draft pick.
          Funny that a Packers fan would say this, considering that I've always felt Aaron Rodgers is the QB to whom Jimmy Clausen most closely profiles as a pro QB, 'another guy' who came into the league with average physical tools and an average arm.

          Again, you're blaming Clausen because ND was non-competitive on the defensive side of the football.

          Teams passed on him, but I still think Clausen is far from an 'average prospect', and still don't think there's over a 30+ pick difference between Sam Bradford and Jimmy Clausen.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by FUNBUNCHER View Post
            Funny that a Packers fan would say this, considering that I've always felt Aaron Rodgers is the QB to whom Jimmy Clausen most closely profiles as a pro QB, 'another guy' who came into the league with average physical tools and an average arm.

            Again, you're blaming Clausen because ND was non-competitive on the defensive side of the football.

            Teams passed on him, but I still think Clausen is far from an 'average prospect', and still don't think there's over a 30+ pick difference between Sam Bradford and Jimmy Clausen.
            See I agree with you on a lot of points like Clausen would have won more games with a decent defense and there isn't a 30 pick difference between Clausen and Bradford. However I think Bradford had no business going #1 overall and that Clausen would have had to lead a more potent offense that made opponents play from behind and also quarterback comeback wins. 1-2 years ago we found out what a hard worker Aaron Rodgers was and how awesome he was at adapting to the pro game but 3-4 years ago I thought he was facing an uphill, against the odds battle to succeed, and that's how I feel about Clausen.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by LizardState View Post
              Every QB in the last draft is more coachable than Tebow b/c Tebow has some grandiose vision of destiny as a star NFL QB where he's concerned.

              IMO he doesn't even remotely accept the idea that he would be better at another position. Didn't McDaniel or some of the Denver FO people say something about how they "drafted him to be a QB," but team reps say literally anything in those sappy PR valentines about their draftees in April b/c they all want everyone to think they have drafted exclusively future superstars.

              Of those rookie QBs Tebow is the definition of QB Project, he has the farthest developmental distance to go to be an effective NFL QB.
              I would love to know where Tebow said he would be a star QB in the NFL. Once you do let me know. And why would Tebow want to change positions, especially when he is good at this position? Say what you want, abotu his delivery and mechanics, but those things are coachable. But you say he is the least coachable guy right? http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/...th-744029.html Apparently his teammates disagree. But then you don't give reasons to why he is uncoachable, besides saying he has a vision (which he never said) and he is a project QB. People are right, haters gonna hate.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by umphrey View Post
                -He had receivers and a good coach (maybe) but still underperformed.
                He had one of the greatest seasons ever in a pro-style offense. It's not his fault his defense couldn't muster even a decent year.
                **** her in da *****!

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                • #23
                  I agree with Bradshaw., esp when Hunter Cantwell wins the back up roll and Clausen is traded for a 4th rounder next year after Tony Pike out plays him on ps type ish
                  my scent?...like making love to a lumberjack
                  <TACKLE> i will ngata give you a bj raji
                  <+BOE> Scott, with Burfict's character concerns (whether legit or not) you think Pioli would draft him. :D
                  <+ScottWright> Why not. Baldwin does need a sparring partner...
                  Originally posted by Hermstheman83
                  What's with the hate on Ricky Stanzi? Those youtube clips of him with the hulk hogan theme music instantly make him better than Luck.

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                  • #24
                    I'm not saying that I agree with him, but... yeah, Clausen sucks big time, and the Panthers were the worst fit possible for him. Specially when there are 3 QBs better than him on the roster.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by RealityCheck View Post
                      I'm not saying that I agree with him, but... yeah, Clausen sucks big time, and the Panthers were the worst fit possible for him. Specially when there are 3 QBs better than him on the roster.
                      you seriously think Tony Pike is better than Jimmy Clausen?

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                      • #26
                        And even HUNTER CANTWELL???

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                        • #27
                          Let me start off this post with saying that I wasn't a huge fan of the clausen pick, to be honest I'd have rathered the Panthers picked tate and pinned their hopes and dreams on Moore, however, let me just point out a few things.

                          Bradshaw is not now, nor has he ever been known for his abilities as a talent evaluator, not once has he pointed out the good facets of a prospect, until they've become a boom in the NFL in an intelligent and insightful manner. In fact he's never done anything in an intelligent and insightful manner.

                          The Panthers have a very good offensive coaching staff, Rip Scherer and Davidson may heil from Cleveland initially but they got the best years out of Derek Anderson (before buggering off) and come from the Belichick Tree, they've shown more than once in the past they're capable of coaching young QBs to success.

                          John Fox never supplants veterans for rookies before the end of training camp. If they don't have a job, generally, they're cut, doesn't matter who's behind them, you can't do the job for Fox it's goodbye - that said he's got a lot of loyalty to his vets, which brings us to cantwell.

                          In training camp Moore is going to be starting with the first team, that's a no brainer, Cantwell is going to be having to run plays for the second team, this means a lot of rookies and guys with less than 2 years NFL experience in carolina, so the team will want a guy with sound knowledge of the playbook. Clausen doesn't have that yet.

                          This is a move on the depth chart purely for keeping practices flowing, I'd bet the house that Clausen will be number 2 before long but he doesn't know the plays, doesn't know the audibles, Cantwell does.

                          Finally:
                          The Panthers draft on very few things other than game tape. They're not like a lot of teams out there who're going to be wow'd in an interview or by triangle numbers and they never have been. This is why they've been pretty successful over the last three years in the draft, the offensive line was entirely drafted by the Panthers, as were the safeties, the linebackers, the running backs, and the corner backs.

                          Notice something there, the best assets of the panthers are the linebackers, secondary and the line and runningbacks.

                          They evaluate well, for the most part.

                          Sure Clausen could be a huge bust, the point is - none of us know, and Bradshaw knows a damnsight lot less than the Panthers scouting department. I'm willing to give them 3 years benefit of the doubt.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by scpanther22 View Post
                            you seriously think Tony Pike is better than Jimmy Clausen?
                            Yes, yes, yes.

                            Check my posts from before the draft and you'll see I ranked Clausen as my #5 QB. Yeah, FIVE. Why? He wasn't ready for the NFL at all, came from an overrated team, without many assets.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by RealityCheck View Post
                              Yes, yes, yes.

                              Check my posts from before the draft and you'll see I ranked Clausen as my #5 QB. Yeah, FIVE. Why? He wasn't ready for the NFL at all, came from an overrated team, without many assets.
                              Without many assets? What does this mean?

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                              • #30
                                I only have one thing to say...



                                I actually have two things to say...

                                This world is full of Clausen haters and he'll prove everyone wrong during the next ten years. He was the best quarterback in this class and will prove that the Rams, Bills, Browns and (unfortunately) the Vikings make the wrong decision on passing on him.

                                BoneKruser with the DOPE sig

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