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  • My argument for Martin is based almost primarily that 14,000 rushing yards is the 'magic' number for a RB getting into the HOF.

    There are similar numbers for WRs, (1100+ catches, 15,000+ receiving yards,140+ TDs).

    Some players, like LD, could retire tomorrow and be a 1st ballot HOFer without approaching that 14,000 yard mark, statistically, because of his rushing TDs, 138, 2nd alltime.
    That's not the only reason LD is a HOFer, but he has certain career statistical achievements that make him a 'lock' for induction into Canton.

    In no way am I saying Curtis Martin is a top 10 RB in NFL history, but that career rushing mark means it will be almost impossible to deny him induction at some point.

    Hypothetically, if AD and CJ both eclipse 14,000 career yards ( not guaranteed or likely, IMO, except for Peterson), Martin at worst would be the NFL's #6 alltime leading rusher.

    Bettis is the NFL's 5th alltime leading rusher, a SB champ, and one the best power backs to ever play the game. The media loves the guy and he's a Steeler.

    I think some people are confusing whether or not someone is a 1st ballot candidate and whether or not a player will get in at some point.

    Bettis IMO will be a top 10 rusher until the day he dies, his numbers will still hold up in 30 years because of the change in philosophy in how teams use RBs.

    So, in that regard, both Martin and Bettis are locks for Canton, I believe, just not first ballot selections.

    I can't imagine both these guys hitting their early 50s without ever receiving the 'call' from the HOF.

    Unless I'm missing someone obvious, after LD, Faulk, Bettis and Martin, maybe AD, CJ or a RB yet unknown, there won't be more than a handful of RBs who make the HOF.
    Last edited by FUNBUNCHER; 09-20-2010, 04:40 AM.

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    • Urlacher and Briggs will get some votes.

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      • Freeney should be in the conversation too, best pass-rusher of this decade.

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        • Originally posted by regoob2 View Post
          Urlacher and Briggs will get some votes.
          Why Briggs? He's been great for the past couple years and all but he's nothing like Hall of Fame special.

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          • Briggs? I mean really?

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            • It's kind of early, but Joe Thomas will probably make the Hall of Fame. Three years and three Pro Bowls. He should make it to at least ten. Patrick Willis should make it as well. He also has three Pro Bowls in three years.

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              • Originally posted by falloutboy14 View Post
                Freeney should be in the conversation too, best pass-rusher of this decade.
                Again, its a numbers game for him. Freeney is 45 sacks away from being a marginally solid candidate for the HOF. Currently he's at 85.

                At age 30, I think Freeney has a serious uphill climb. There are a number of great pass rushers who've put up impressive sacks numbers who aren't in the HOF.

                Kevin Greene is the greatest pass-rushing 3-4 OLB in NFL history, (3rd alltime among all pass rushers with 160 sacks), and you can already see the impact his tutelage is having on Clay Matthews.
                But Greene he's years away from getting into Canton.

                Chris Doleman, Richard Dent, Leslie O'Neal, Simeon Rice and Clyde Simmons were all 120+ sack DEs, and except for Dent(6th alltime - 137.5)) and Leslie O'Neil(tied for 8th - 132.5), most of those guys aren't gonna make it.

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                • Originally posted by FUNBUNCHER View Post
                  Kevin Greene is the greatest pass-rushing 3-4 OLB in NFL history, (3rd alltime among all pass rushers with 160 sacks), and you can already see the impact his tutelage is having on Clay Matthews.
                  But Greene he's years away from getting into Canton.

                  Chris Doleman, Richard Dent, Leslie O'Neal, Simeon Rice and Clyde Simmons were all 120+ sack DEs, and except for Dent(6th alltime - 137.5)) and Leslie O'Neil(tied for 8th - 132.5), most of those guys aren't gonna make it.
                  For some reason Leslie O'Neal was left off the prelim ballot for the 2011 Class. That's got to be an oversight by the HOF.

                  Dent has been a finalist now 6 times so its only a matter of time before he gets the call. Doleman and Greene have both been semi-finalists but pro-football-reference is positive on them eventually getting elected.

                  http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=5325

                  Looking long, long-term, Adrian Peterson, Patrick Willis and Chris Johnson are on the radar. Antonio Gates has just tied Shannon Sharpe for the 2nd most TDs ever by a TE and TO became the 3rd player with 15,000 yds to go with his 1,000+ catches and 140+ TDs.

                  Andre Johnson went past 600 receptions this week. Still far, far too early but both Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald are on the path to Canton.
                  Last edited by boknows34; 09-20-2010, 12:36 PM.

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                  • I looked into this thread because I thought someone put in a Clay Matthews III comment. I was wrong :(

                    What you guys think about Lorenzo Neal?

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                    • Originally posted by zachsaints52 View Post
                      I looked into this thread because I thought someone put in a Clay Matthews III comment. I was wrong :(

                      What you guys think about Lorenzo Neal?
                      Neal has zero chance. When you look at the backlog of names currently and the names that will soon be joining the ballot I'd be shocked if Neal got as far as the Last 25 semi-final list. Absolutely no chance a blocking fullback will be picked in the Top 5 modern era candidates in a given year.

                      Neal will be forever in the Steve Tasker wing alongside Brian Mitchell and Tasker himself.

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                      • Bruce Gradkowski anyone???

                        Lol no but what do you guys think about these guys: CB Nnamdi Asomugha and P Shane Lechler

                        Nnamdi has been one of/the best CB in the league for around 4 or 5 years and if the raiders can turn it around with him or he goes to a winning team and gets a ring. He still has another 3 years at CB then I can see him as a FS for maybe 2 years so he still has time

                        Lechler has been the best punter in the league since he entered back in 2000. He already leads in the all time average for punters and is already off to a great season this year. Once again his problem is he has been on the Raiders, and except for his first 2 or 3 years, we havent done ****.


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                        • Originally posted by boknows34 View Post
                          Neal has zero chance. When you look at the backlog of names currently and the names that will soon be joining the ballot I'd be shocked if Neal got as far as the Last 25 semi-final list. Absolutely no chance a blocking fullback will be picked in the Top 5 modern era candidates in a given year.

                          Neal will be forever in the Steve Tasker wing alongside Brian Mitchell and Tasker himself.
                          I wasnt thinking the next couple of years where the classes are loaded, but maybe a little ways away in a off year Neal could have a shot. He helped made what LaDanian is, leading the way for 11 straight 1000 yard rushers, and he was very consistent.

                          Love me some Neal. Would love to see him in it somehow.

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                          • Originally posted by FUNBUNCHER
                            My argument for Martin is based almost primarily that 14,000 rushing yards is the 'magic' number for a RB getting into the HOF.
                            Originally posted by FUNBUNCHER
                            Again, its a numbers game for him. Freeney is 45 sacks away from being a marginally solid candidate for the HOF. Currently he's at 85.
                            This is'nt baseball, it's the pro football HOF there is no "Magic Number" that garuntees a player to be in the HOF. Aswell there is no statistical benchmark that a player must reach to get HOF consideration.

                            Originally posted by RaiderNation
                            Lechler has been the best punter in the league since he entered back in 2000. He already leads in the all time average for punters and is already off to a great season this year. Once again his problem is he has been on the Raiders, and except for his first 2 or 3 years, we havent done ****.
                            Punters just don't make enough of an impact on the game, to get a lot of HOF consideration.

                            Originally posted by zachsaints52
                            I wasnt thinking the next couple of years where the classes are loaded, but maybe a little ways away in a off year Neal could have a shot. He helped made what LaDanian is, leading the way for 11 straight 1000 yard rushers, and he was very consistent.

                            Love me some Neal. Would love to see him in it somehow.
                            Lorenzo Neal shouldn't be in either, a blocking FB just doesn't make enough of an impact. Aswell Lorenzo Neal's legacy is very over rated due to the 11 straight 1,000 yard rushers for which he blocked.

                            But really Eddie George, Corey Dillion, and LT had all established themselves as 1000 + yard rushers/top tier NFL RBs by the time Lorenzo Neal arrived at their teams. Lorenzo Neal was not a big difference maker for all those players to have consecutive 1,000 seasons. He was a good blocking FB that benefited from playing with some excellent RBs including one of the all time greats in his prime(LT).
                            Last edited by Crazy_Chris; 09-20-2010, 04:14 PM.

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                            • Originally posted by RaiderNation View Post
                              Bruce Gradkowski anyone???

                              Lol no
                              Its a good thing you said Lol no because I totally thought you were serious!

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