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  • #31
    Originally posted by BlindSite View Post
    Kansas City
    Every year there comes a team that had no success the previous year that surprises almost everyone except their loyal fans. That team this year will be Kansas City.
    From what I am hearing from KC fans, them making the playoffs would definitely surprise them as well as the rest of us.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Seamus2602 View Post
      The term elite means the best in a certain grouping. Manning is elite and Romo doesn't compare to his ability. Brees is elite and Romo doesn't compare to his ability. Brady is elite and Romo doesn't compare to his ability. Quarterbacks are getting better but the elite Quarterbacks are also getting better. If Quarterbacks get better it doesn't mean that more of them become elite it means that we have to raise the bar as to what makes a Quarterback elite. There are 32 Quarterbacks in the league. That means, by definition, that 15 are better than average. I named a large amount of players who are in a similar or better playing level than Romo and I got to 10 Quarterbacks. Are you telling me that there 10 of the 15 above average Quarterbacks in the NFL are elite?
      You put Tony Romo on the Patriots...he's putting up the same kind of numbers Brady is, and vice versa. From a talent stand point, it's a lot closer than you're making it out to be. Tony Romo is every bit the QB of those listed and he may boast the greatest escapability and improvision in the league. What's the criteria you're basing things off of...to say guys like Rivers or Rodgers are so much better than Romo? From a statistical break down, they're interchangeable...and Romo's one playoff victory is still more than that of Rodgers...if you want to go that route. These guys are all incredibly close in talent level and they all put up similar statistics each year.

      Peyton, Brady, Brees, Rivers, Rodgers, Romo, Ben, Favre...play at an elite level week after week. Schaub gets a lot of hate for just being a fantasy guy...but he was right there with these guys last year, as well. But of the aforementioned 8, maybe save Peyton, they're interchangable, imo. Peyton's really in a league of his own, given the unconventional way he goes about playing the game.

      Peyton, Brady, and Brees...may have a small step on the others...but I would still have no reservations about extending that elite tag out further. There are a lot of excellent QBs in this league.
      Last edited by M.O.T.H.; 07-28-2010, 05:21 PM.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by M.O.T.H. View Post
        But of the aforementioned 8, maybe save Peyton, they're interchangable, imo. Peyton's really in a league of his own, given the unconventional way he goes about playing the game.
        By saying that you are saying that there are one of two things. Either 8 Elite Quarterbacks (and I have trouble with the idea of 25% of anything being considered elite) or 1 Elite Quarterback (you singled out Manning as being the only one to seperate himself from the group). Elite, by pure definition, is someone who stands above the rest.
        Originally posted by George Carlin

        In Football the object is for the Field General to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the Defence by hitting his Receivers with deadly accuracy, in spite of the Blitz, even if he has to use the Shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack which punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy’s Defensive Line.

        In Baseball the object is to go home and be safe.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by M.O.T.H. View Post
          Peyton, Brady, and Brees...may have a small step on the others...but I would still have no reservations about extending that elite tag out further. There are a lot of excellent QBs in this league.
          But if you extend it to that 2nd Tier (the likes of Rivers and Rodgers) then you can have arguments of extending it to the 3rd Tier (the likes of Romo and Eli). But then well get some pissed of Ravens fans or Bears fans asking why is Tony Romo considered Elite but Joe Flacco and Jay Cutler aren't? And then we start calling them elite.

          Outside of the people who designed the Pro Bowl selections this year I don't think anyone truthfully belives that there are 10 or more Elite Quarterbacks. We need to be very selective when determining the Elite so that little step, that little difference is what makes someone the Elite player.
          Originally posted by George Carlin

          In Football the object is for the Field General to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the Defence by hitting his Receivers with deadly accuracy, in spite of the Blitz, even if he has to use the Shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack which punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy’s Defensive Line.

          In Baseball the object is to go home and be safe.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by P-L View Post
            Well MOTH, you and I certainly have a different interpretation of the word "elite." Just because there is a lot of talented quarterbacks in the league does not mean that there are a lot of elite ones. The second tier of quarterbacks is much larger than the top tier, and I would only call the top tier "elite." Peyton Manning and Drew Brees are elite quarterbacks in the league. Tony Romo is not. He is closer to the Matt Ryans and Jay Cutlers of the third tier than he is to Peyton Manning and Drew Brees.
            Bleh. Cutler doesnt deserve anything right now. But anyway...I'm fine with your opinion. I just dont see the QBs being as spread out, talent wise, that a lot of others do. Rivers, Rodgers, and Romo are all on the same level in my book...and they're some of the best players in the league, not just at the QB position. The position as a whole is deep...if I had to come up with a top 100 players in the league list, QBs would be prevelent and many would be high on the list. As contradicting as it may sound...I do view Peyton, Brady, and Brees to be a little better...but the rest mentioned play on a similar level and I think, deserve to be mentioned among the league's elite. I really do hold the talent level at the position in high regard. And I dont see what distinctly seperates the lot. Most fans of these Qb's teams, wouldnt change their QB for anyone...because, they're playing at an insanely productive level. All of the QBs listed are. And I view them all as interchangeable pieces, because they are so close in the talent department.

            Thanks BoneKrusher^

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Timbathia View Post
              From what I am hearing from KC fans, them making the playoffs would definitely surprise them as well as the rest of us.
              I would be surprised. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility, just very unlikely.

              Still, it's great to get some KC love. :D

              Originally posted by fenikz
              His soft D really turns me off
              ** RIP themaninblack. You will be missed. **

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              • #37
                I like Oakland's odds to be 2nd in that division with a very outside shot at a wildcard than I do the Chiefs....weak schedule sure, but they're a weak team imo.

                I think you're also a little too homer-optimistic about the Panthers.... a .500 season is perfectly reasonable, but I think the Saints and Falcons are the clear 1 and 2 in that division, and even if you snake a game or two from one of them, the Panthers have proven to be a team in the past who'll win a tough game and then seem to implode in a game where they're favored.

                I also think that unless Matt Moore plays extremely well, not just decently, we'll see Clausen sooner rather than later. Maybe Fox trying to save his job (if possible) causes him to put in Clausen sooner or maybe Moore just doesn't play that well.....

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Seamus2602 View Post
                  But if you extend it to that 2nd Tier (the likes of Rivers and Rodgers) then you can have arguments of extending it to the 3rd Tier (the likes of Romo and Eli). But then well get some pissed of Ravens fans or Bears fans asking why is Tony Romo considered Elite but Joe Flacco and Jay Cutler aren't? And then we start calling them elite.

                  Outside of the people who designed the Pro Bowl selections this year I don't think anyone truthfully belives that there are 10 or more Elite Quarterbacks. We need to be very selective when determining the Elite so that little step, that little difference is what makes someone the Elite player.
                  What puts Romo in this 3rd tier, exactly?

                  And who cares about pissed off fan opinion, in regard to Flacco and Cutler? Neither is close to elite status yet. The players I listed are all of similar talent and production.

                  The word elite...stands for the most superior or "the best". And personally...I cant justify leaving out the guys I mentioned. One could surely limit it to two or three players, if one must. But my preference, would be to include those guys that are next in line. They're all playing at a level that is vastly superior to the rest of the field. Statistically speaking...can guys like Rivers, Rodgers, and Romo even get that much better? Their numbers are every bit as good as Peyton's. And statistics aside...from a week to week basis, they're right on that pinnacle. They perform at a superior level week in and week out.

                  Thanks BoneKrusher^

                  http://youtube.com/watch?v=6_j52DziMy4 (the man)
                  http://youtube.com/watch?v=2g6S3Anto7c
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by vidae View Post
                    I would be surprised. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility, just very unlikely.

                    Still, it's great to get some KC love. :D
                    Yeah, there hasnt been too much KC love in recent years.

                    To me it is well within the realms of possibility for any of the AFC West teams to finish second in the division............ and except for the Chargers, any of them to finish last in the division as well.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by BeerBaron View Post
                      I like Oakland's odds to be 2nd in that division with a very outside shot at a wildcard than I do the Chiefs....weak schedule sure, but they're a weak team imo.
                      I don't know why everyone is so high on the Raiders I'm not seeing it, it's a toss up on who comes in second but it doesn't really matter, I don't see two west teams making the playoffs.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Splat View Post
                        I don't know why everyone is so high on the Raiders I'm not seeing it, it's a toss up on who comes in second but it doesn't really matter, I don't see two west teams making the playoffs.
                        Neither do I, that's why I said "very outside chance," but the Raiders actually looked competative a few times last year once Russell was out at starting QB. Campbell is an upgrade over Gradkowski, I like the potential of their running game, and while they may be fairly mish-mashed between 3-4 and 4-3 personnel, I like some of what they've got on defense. (Nnamdi, Seymour, Branch...and depending on whether they run a 4-3 or a 3-4, I like the potential of a few of their linebackers too)

                        The division behind SD is just a mess....Would it surprise me if all 3 of the Broncos, Chiefs and Raiders were competitive? No...would it surprise me if all 3 were picking in the top 5 next year? Also no.....Can't get a read on them for the life of me.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by BeerBaron View Post
                          I also think that unless Matt Moore plays extremely well, not just decently, we'll see Clausen sooner rather than later. Maybe Fox trying to save his job (if possible) causes him to put in Clausen sooner or maybe Moore just doesn't play that well.....
                          Optimism aside, Kalil, Beason, Johnson, Smith and Davidson himself have announced there's no competition for the starting role, it's Moore's job. It would take an implosion of epic proportions (see Delhomme, Jake) for Moore to be benched in favor of Clausen. Fox's failing is also Moore's benefit this year, Veterans rarely lose their job and Moore has more experience than any QB on the roster. Even if he has a bad game or two, Fox knows he's the team's best chance this year. Clausen will not start a game unless there's an injury or catastrophic implosion.

                          On the other thing: I know someone mentioned the secondary only has beason, but the Panthers quietly have one of the better secondaries in the NFL, the biggest liability in coverage last year was Harris, which is why we was traded, Captain Munnerlyn isn't a big name because he was a 7th round pick, but in the Nickel he actually took outside receivers. Even then he and richard Marshall gave up just 2 touchdowns between them. The linebackers and secondary are locked down. It's the DLine that's the only position of worry.

                          Originally posted by Splat View Post
                          I don't know why everyone is so high on the Raiders I'm not seeing it, it's a toss up on who comes in second but it doesn't really matter, I don't see two west teams making the playoffs.
                          Playoffs are an impossibly prediction, realistically half the teams from the previous year flame out and another bunch of teams rise to the occasion and it's generally due to schedule, injuries and a few key FA / draft pick performances.

                          I like the chiefs secondary, I like their defensive line to improve and I love their offense with Cassel.

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                          • #43
                            No one wants you to be right more then me. :)

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                            • #44
                              It's actually kind of funny, because when I wanted Rolando McClain people said "you don't take an ILB top 10" and the Raiders take him 8th overall and it's perfectly acceptable.

                              The Raiders are "about to breakout" every year too. I'll believe it when I see it.

                              Originally posted by fenikz
                              His soft D really turns me off
                              ** RIP themaninblack. You will be missed. **

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                              • #45
                                The term elite is so fake. Regardless of ability, most QBs only get labeled elite until they've won a SB. If you really want to create a category of elite.. then there is only 1 elite QB. Peyton Manning. Nobody can touch him. Not Brady, not Brees, not Favre. He does more with nothing than any of those other guys.

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