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  • #31
    Originally posted by yourfavestoner View Post
    Schaub is the newest king of garbage time statistics.)
    Texans played alot of close games and Schaub was the one with Andre Johnson constantly bringing them back into games.
    Last edited by PoopSandwich; 07-29-2010, 12:13 PM.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by LonghornsLegend View Post
      I have Schaub in the same tier as Eli and Romo with no particuliar order at that point. I also have Rivers in that same tier.

      Going to disagree.

      After the big 3 Rivers starts the list of the next group of QB's, he is without a doubt atleast to me better then Schaub,Eli and Romo.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by jayceheathman View Post
        Having the best WR in the game is what makes him good. The Texans finally had a decent OL that kept him off of the ground. A lot of it is the fantasy numbers because Houston has a horrible running game so the team passes the ball a lot. He also has Owen Daniels as well as AJ.
        Yea aaron rodgers is hurting when he has to throw to donald driver, jermichael finley, and greg jennings, how does he manage? Daniels played half the season. A wide receiver can't take all the credit for making his QB look good. Plug in sage rosenfels as the starter and we wouldn't be talking about AJ as the best receiver in football.
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        • #34
          Eli is still so ridiculously underrated on this board.

          I wonder how guys like Rogers, Rivers, and Scaub would deal with playing in the Meadowlands. There's a reason why Eli is statistically better on the road than at home.

          I'm interested to see how passing games fare at the new Meadowlands this winter.

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          • #35
            the funniest thing is that if the Giants had ANY semblance of a defense last year and made the playoffs, people would start realizing how good Eli is and how good a year he had last year. Instead, the D gives up a million points a game, Giants go 8-8, miss the playoffs and Eli's outstanding year with the most unproven group of WR's and no ground game got over looked. Everyone said the biggest weakness for the Giants last year was the inexperienced WR corps and Eli was still outstanding.

            And we all know, how me, a well...fairly large homer should feel about Tony Romo...but yea I think I would take Romo over Schaub. and I'm a pretty big Schaub fan. Actually, they're all pretty even, Eli, Romo, and Schaub. Top 5 for Schaub? that's silly. mainly i'm peeved at these feeble and assinine shots at Eli (and some at Romo) as why Schaub is vastly superior.
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            • #36
              Originally posted by yourfavestoner View Post
              Eli is still so ridiculously underrated on this board.
              when you're as reserved and quiet as he is, it's hard for people to hype you

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              • #37
                I agree Eli is insanely underrated. Definitely better than Schaub. After the big 3, Rivers, Rodgers, and probably Favre, Eli could be in the discussion.
                He had his best year last year and no one noticed. He plays in an insanely difficult environment (as was noted). He has a Peyton like calm and his field vision is very good. Plus I know the argument is cliche, but he did win a Super Bowl...and that was no ordinary Super Bowl. Guy was clutch, and handled the pressure. He's done it all now, just needs to get more respect.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by yourfavestoner View Post
                  Eli is still so ridiculously underrated on this board.

                  I wonder how guys like Rogers, Rivers, and Scaub would deal with playing in the Meadowlands. There's a reason why Eli is statistically better on the road than at home.

                  I'm interested to see how passing games fare at the new Meadowlands this winter.
                  Why even add the on this board? Only place he gets any sort of hype is with giants fans and homers. It's not just the weather either, as BBD loves to point out where one of the only teams that still runs a lot of I-formation and we run the ball more than almost any other team that has a franchise QB, not sure on the exact numbers but we're up there. Eli's stats will never be as good as Eli is, so he'll never get the respect he deserves from people who don't watch him regularly. I've always been a believer but a know a lot of Giants fans where even dis-missing him before that superbowl run when he had shown that he can take over games when he had to going all the way back to his first year as a starter when he beat the Broncos in week two.

                  Originally posted by scottyboy View Post
                  the funniest thing is that if the Giants had ANY semblance of a defense last year and made the playoffs, people would start realizing how good Eli is and how good a year he had last year. Instead, the D gives up a million points a game, Giants go 8-8, miss the playoffs and Eli's outstanding year with the most unproven group of WR's and no ground game got over looked. Everyone said the biggest weakness for the Giants last year was the inexperienced WR corps and Eli was still outstanding.

                  And we all know, how me, a well...fairly large homer should feel about Tony Romo...but yea I think I would take Romo over Schaub. and I'm a pretty big Schaub fan. Actually, they're all pretty even, Eli, Romo, and Schaub. Top 5 for Schaub? that's silly. mainly i'm peeved at these feeble and assinine shots at Eli (and some at Romo) as why Schaub is vastly superior.
                  Hell if Eli had just been healthy all year and didn't have those 4-5 weeks where he couldn't step into throws we would've still made the playoffs despite the pathetic D, that straight up quit on Sheridan, running game that was decimated by injuries along the OL and RB corps, and those young WRs. Eli's definitely in that second tier of QBs and I love having him, he's the exact type of athlete I love to root for, constantly under-rated but always manages to give his team a chance to win.

                  As for Romo he's just too good of a person and QB for even me as a giants fan to hate on. I have no gripes putting Schaub in the same tier as Eli and Romo, he's put up big numbers on a talented offense that relied on him heavily, but what irks me is how a lot fo the QB rankings on here go Manning, Brees, Brady (those 3 moving around), Rivers, Rodgers, Schaub, etc. He's not as good as Rivers and although Rodgers has also become over-rated on here, he's not on par with any of the top 4, I do think he's still a click above Schaub.

                  My personal QB rankings go
                  Tier 1
                  Peyton
                  Brady
                  Brees
                  All 3 are very close and depending on when you ask me they'll swap places with one another.

                  Tier 2
                  Rivers

                  He's overcoming Norv Turner and some good luck away from adding the ring that'll put him in that top tier

                  Tier 3
                  Eli
                  Romo
                  Rodgers
                  Favre
                  Schaub
                  Big Ben

                  These guys also switch spots and if Rodgers has the year everyone's expecting he should be at the top and could even join Rivers in the ring away from Elite category. But Eli was phenomenal last year despite everything that happened and Romo's a guy who's just kept improving his game, Favre's going to **** the bed, but he's a regular season stud, Schaub's shown he can put up points which is all you can ask a QB to do if he has a defense that can protect the lead and Big Ben's come through in the clutch so many times for Pittsburgh that despite being a ******** man child "huck em...chuck em...football!" he's worth putting in this category.

                  Originally posted by Brent View Post
                  when you're as reserved and quiet as he is, it's hard for people to hype you
                  That and his under-whelming stats, the chargers thing from when he was drafted and that he's the QB of a NY team. There's a lot working against Eli getting the kind of hype and love he deserves. That said I don't mind, I love him and wouldn't trade him for any QB in the league because he's not only a great QB when he takes over, but he's got a great feel for when he needs to take things in his own hands and when to let the running game pound away, he's remarkably tough as he's played through some ridiculous injuries that would have to be exaggerated if I hadn't heard about them from people who know and he's proof that "clutchness" exists.

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                  Is Shaun Hill a top 10 QB? Definitely not. Is he a top 20 one? Almost certainly.
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                  Most misleading 10+ sack season EVER.

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                  • #39
                    Schaub is a good but a somewhat frustrating QB for Texans fans I'm sure. He's close to being elite, but he lacks that essential late game/clutch ability that an elite QB needs. He's also quite injury prone. Every sack or hit, Texans fans have got to be holding their breath.

                    It's not too late for him to develop the clutch ability and put injury behind him for good, but if he doesn't start quick he might not be a fixture for much longer in Houston. It would be a tough move because he doesn't suck, he just might not have what it takes to be truely valuable for them.

                    Usually QBs who put up these numbers are going to come through enough here and there to remain the starter until their game totally slips away, but Schuab seems to be just a little too short in this regard and the Texans might jump on another opportunity if one comes along. 2010 will be a key season for him.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by OzTitan View Post
                      Schaub is a good but a somewhat frustrating QB for Texans fans I'm sure. He's close to being elite, but he lacks that essential late game/clutch ability that an elite QB needs. He's also quite injury prone. Every sack or hit, Texans fans have got to be holding their breath.

                      It's not too late for him to develop the clutch ability and put injury behind him for good, but if he doesn't start quick he might not be a fixture for much longer in Houston. It would be a tough move because he doesn't suck, he just might not have what it takes to be truely valuable for them.

                      Usually QBs who put up these numbers are going to come through enough here and there to remain the starter until their game totally slips away, but Schuab seems to be just a little too short in this regard and the Texans might jump on another opportunity if one comes along. 2010 will be a key season for him.
                      It's going to be difficult to replace Matt Schaub. I really don't see why they would. He's not the problem in Houston. It's the defense and run game.
                      Last edited by Ness; 07-30-2010, 01:28 AM.

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                      • #41
                        Schaub isn't clutch? He isn't the one kicking the fieldgoals. He led the team down for game tieing/winning field goals multiple times only to see the kicker miss them EVERY time. Winning is everything, but you can't say he doesn't perform underpressure. He put the team in a position to win thats all he can do. Is he top 5, no, but what has Rodgers done that puts him above Schaub?

                        Schaub threw for the 6th most yards in NFL history last with year and that was with two starting guards out, a pro bowl tight end out, and no running game. Also, how is Schaub a product of a system? No one says this about Brady, Manning, Rodgers, or Rivers. Its the West Coast offense. I guess that means Montanna was a product of the system. If the system is so effective then why are QBs coveted so much?

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Scotty D View Post
                          My rankings in the other thread were for AFTER this season is played. I put him over Eli and Romo because I was choosing who I wanted going forward. I wasn't ranking previous accomplishments.

                          For all the people saying he is only good because of Andre Johnson what do you want him to do? Not throw it to him? How is that even relevant. Manning had Harrison, Wayne, Clark. Just because a QB has an All Pro WR you can't hold it against him. Tom Brady should try playing with scrubs and see what numbers he puts up, OH WAIT THEY TRIED THAT AND IT FAILED. The next year they got Welker, Moss and look what happened.
                          Fail? Brady won 3 Super Bowls with scrubs. Ya, in 2007, they went into "F-U" mode, but I wouldn't say "fail" when the guy has 3 rings throwing to garbage.

                          As for Schaub...I'm on the fence. Ya, he has Andre and Daniels is good, but he's got nothing outside of those two. It's amazing that he was able to put up those yardage numbers with literally crap outside of those two targets.

                          But it's tough to tell how good the guy really is. Remember, this is the same system that made Jake Plummer and Brian Griese (and Jay Cutler) Pro Bowlers. I want to see him do it again and stop getting injured before I even rank the guy, to be honest. It wasn't that long ago that we were talking about them drafting a QB to replace him, and not long before that that Sage Rosenfels was threatening his job as the starter.
                          Last edited by nepg; 07-30-2010, 03:00 PM.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by nepg View Post
                            As for Schaub...I'm on the fence. Ya, he has Andre and Daniels is good, but he's got nothing outside of those two. It's amazing that he was able to put up those yardage numbers with literally crap outside of those two targets.
                            Kevin Walter is a good second receiver.

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                            Originally posted by Borat
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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by njx9
                              except that we were talking about JUST THAT after 2008 when rosenfels started 1/3 of the games. shockingly, his numbers in those 5/6 games (41/505/3) add up to right around 1/3 of his season totals. meaning he experienced nearly no drop off, whether schaub or rosenfels was starting.
                              Seems like it's entirely beside the point of the thread, considering Rosenfels turned the ball over 12 times in those six games he played, didn't manage a winning record in his starts, and simply didn't manage the offense as well.

                              Anyone can throw the ball to Andre Johnson, but to act like that's all Schaub does to post his numbers is to reveal that you've not watched nearly enough of the Texans.

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                              • #45
                                Sorry, I was speaking more generally to the direction of the thread and not as much towards you.

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