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  • #61
    I don't think this is as cut and dry as everybody's making it out to be when they support Revis or the FO. With the CBA it's tough to determine what to do in terms of guaranteed money, they can't guarantee around everything (I think only one of injury and performance, though I'm not sure it's performance) and Revis doesn't want to get injured in a nasty way and lose a ton of his value. Supposedly what happened with Leon Washington last year has him pretty concerned about what happens if he gets hurt. But with the CBA uncertainty they don't want to toss a bunch of guaranteed money his way up front. I'm pretty sure no team has really given a player a lot of guarantees in any of the extensions this offseason.

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    • #62
      The Jets are reported to be preparing for the season without Revis being there. I don't buy it at all. It's a bluff to come out publicly and make a big stink about how there is no way they are going to pay him and they don't need him - try to force his hand and get him to sign. But that doesn't mean they are going to fold and sign him for anything either. They drafted Kyle Wilson and brought in Cromartie - whatever your opinion is on the two players all that matters is that the Jets believe in them. Maybe they even did it because they saw this coming, maybe Rex Ryan wasn't planning on putting that much money into a single CB as long as a year ago and they have been planning to let Revis go for awhile now.

      I think Revis shows up around the 3rd-4th preseason game, plays a year, and bolts as a free agent.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by sbh15 View Post
        this guy (and most nfl players for that matter) are ******* clowns. he won't play because he can't get more than $15.1M a year? boo ******* hoo. get your greedy ass to camp and take $12.0M a year, you'll still be rich as ****.
        I sincerely doubt if you had the immense talent that Revis had you'd say this. I don't blame him for holding out. He could be one wrong turn of the leg away in a non-contact drill away from never getting paid.

        It's easy for us fans to be passionate about the game and say guys should stop being greedy but I have little doubts if we had the ability to play in the NFL, and play as one of the best players in the league, we wouldn't be so quick to judge. Every player in the NFL is one step away from being cut by his team and losing any money that isn't guaranteed on his deal.

        Seems pretty obvious that most teams and the NFL doesn't give a **** about players once they leave the league, but the players are supposed to be blindly loyal to their teams?
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        • #64
          Without him, count on the Jets for about 4 wins this season. Revis is the best and should be paid as such. All power to him and I hope he holds out.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Shiver View Post
            Without him, count on the Jets for about 4 wins this season. Revis is the best and should be paid as such. All power to him and I hope he holds out.
            Seriously? You really think that Revis is worth about 6-7 wins? I know he is the best player on the team but come on.

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            • #66
              Did you see the Colts game? That defense is nothing without him. They are very overrated, once they ran into a team that had more than just a #1 WR they were exposed. (also see the Patriots game when they had Welker)

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Shiver View Post
                Did you see the Colts game? That defense is nothing without him. They are very overrated, once they ran into a team that had more than just a #1 WR they were exposed. (also see the Patriots game when they had Welker)
                And that was with Lito Shepherd and Dwight Lowery as our #2 and 3. Cromartie and Kyle Wilson will improve our secondary. I understand Cromarite has been terrible the last year or so but our man to man scheme really fits his strengths.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Shiver View Post
                  Did you see the Colts game? That defense is nothing without him. They are very overrated, once they ran into a team that had more than just a #1 WR they were exposed. (also see the Patriots game when they had Welker)
                  lol.....damn i cant believe peyton manning and tom brady would ever make a defense look overrated
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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Shiver View Post
                    Did you see the Colts game? That defense is nothing without him. They are very overrated, once they ran into a team that had more than just a #1 WR they were exposed. (also see the Patriots game when they had Welker)
                    That's a decent point (looking at the schedule the only other game the Jets played well in against a team that had multiple solid passing options was the Chargers the week before with V-Jax and Gates), but I think it's a little simplistic, there are a lot more variables there than the fact that the Colts more than just a #1 receiver.

                    The Jets were typically able to keep their defense off the field in part due to a strong running game which took a major shot when Shonn Greene went down. Manning picked on #2 and #3 CB's all game when the pass rush was not able to get to him in time (which was a major issue). I think the fact that Peyton Manning is really good and was able to get the ball out quickly and accurately was a major factor as well.

                    Given the Jets arguably improved CB depth with the additions of Wilson and Cromartie (who has supposedly been great in camp), it'll probably be harder to pick on just one of those two guys than just throwing at Lito Sheppard all the time. However, 3 WR sets should give them trouble and while I don't think Wilson or Cromartie will be as bad as Sheppard (I could certainly be wrong) the team won't be able to take away #1 options. On the other hand, given Kris Jenkins will be back a solid run defense should improve some and the passing game should be better as well, after week 5 at least. The run game is a major question mark IMO. So to be perfectly clear, I do think the Jets will struggle without Revis, but I also don't think they'll struggle as much as you seem to think (6-8 wins seems more realistic to me) and I don't think it's cut and dry.

                    Also, Ryan and Pettine will probably tweak the way they defend without Revis. I thought the Jets were done after Jenkins went down this past season and they were able to scheme their way out of it, and while Revis is certainly a bigger loss Jenks was a huge loss as well. Keep in mind, Ryan's Baltimore teams typically didn't have great #1 corner play and they did alright. We'll see how they do with those tweaks, but looking at the team's defense with Revis in the fold and seeing what offenses did but taking into account they won't be able to shut down #1's and thinking about how they'll be without him isn't exactly an apples to oranges comparison. It probably favors your side of the argument since they can't roll as much coverage away from him, but again it's a tough comparison to make since we don't know what they'll do without him or how Cromartie and Wilson will play in this scheme.

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                    • #70
                      It's a bit unfair to look at that Colt game and expect it to be the same, because CB could now be one of their team strengths if Revis is back this year. That's probably why they took Kyle Wilson, that's a huge upgrade as a #2 corner and I don't think he'd get beaten that bad.


                      Add in Kris Jenkins who can collapse a pocket much quicker and give less time for a QB to throw, and I don't think looking at that Colts game really would tell the whole story of how things would go this year.





                      Originally posted by Scott Wright
                      I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by K Train View Post
                        lol.....damn i cant believe peyton manning and tom brady would ever make a defense look overrated

                        They wouldn't even have been rated highly had it not been for Revis, which is my point.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Forenci View Post
                          I sincerely doubt if you had the immense talent that Revis had you'd say this. I don't blame him for holding out. He could be one wrong turn of the leg away in a non-contact drill away from never getting paid.

                          It's easy for us fans to be passionate about the game and say guys should stop being greedy but I have little doubts if we had the ability to play in the NFL, and play as one of the best players in the league, we wouldn't be so quick to judge. Every player in the NFL is one step away from being cut by his team and losing any money that isn't guaranteed on his deal.

                          Seems pretty obvious that most teams and the NFL doesn't give a **** about players once they leave the league, but the players are supposed to be blindly loyal to their teams?

                          Some people just don't understand this. People think just because they love football and would play it for free, that these guys should be happy they make anything in the millions and just accept anything. It's a business.


                          The Jets talked him up as the best CB, and best defender in the league all year, now they act surprised when he wants to be paid as such. Sure he could take 10 million a year to help sign Mangold, but that doesn't mean he's an asshole for not doing it.


                          Sure 1 way or another he's rich, but if nobody understands how big of a difference 4-6 million dollars a year is to someone then you'll never get it.





                          Originally posted by Scott Wright
                          I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.

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                          • #73
                            oh its entirely the jets fault for doing this, and ryan keeps heaping on the praise making it worse. i thought he was great last year, but i also think hes being immensely overrated right now. hes a rare talent at a very difficult position to play but a cornerback isnt gonna make or break a team. not having him hurts them but it doesnt kill them, guys step up all the time.

                            jets got a badass roster imo, and i think ryan is a great coach and an even better defensive mind....if he cant get 2 first round CBs to fill in and play good defense, with having another guy around with starting experience then there is no hope.
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                            • #74
                              I wonder if Revis has really thought out this holdout.

                              I mean if he holds out to the bye week, either the Jets will be in the playoff hunt or they won't. Either way, they won't be interested in paying Revis for the year.

                              Being 2-4 is his best shot at getting a deal done because they are still alive but also desperate.

                              Next year's potential lockout could mean he would lose 2 years of playing and of salary. I'd say the drop dead date for not losing 2 years is week 4. If the Jets are 0-3 going into Buffalo, then he may have the most leverage he will ever have because their season is still salvageable. That is the last week he will have any leverage though. If they beat Buffalo, then they may have increased confidence without him. If they lose to Buffalo, they are basically done for the year.

                              So, I give this holdout 7 more weeks tops.

                              Originally posted by K Train View Post
                              jets got a badass roster imo, and i think ryan is a great coach and an even better defensive mind....
                              How can you be the 4th best coach and 3rd best defensive mind in the AFC East and be 'great'?
                              Last edited by descendency; 08-10-2010, 03:24 PM.
                              **** her in da *****!

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                              • #75
                                More important to team?


                                Favre or Revis?


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