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  • #31
    Bucs are going to have a scary interior pass rush in a year or two with McCoy and Price.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Shiver View Post
      He is the ultimate workout warrior. He rose, not based on what he did in college, but on his amazing combine and triangle numbers. The guy was a phantom at Ohio State when they got passed their non-conference cupcakes. He is a phantom in the NFL. But man were his biceps huge! Man could he run a 4.5.
      I'm going to disagree with this. As far as I remember, he really didn't rise much after the combine. People knew what he could do physically prior to the combine, not like he really surprised anybody. And at least with quite a few people on this site if not the majority he was a top 10 guy before the season was even over. I remember thinking he might not reach the Jets if he exploded during the national championship game that year, which he didn't, based on where his stock seemed to be.

      Now is he a bust? Absolutely as of right now, although BBD is correct he is moving in the right direction. I could see him being a rock solid backup end and I don't think that's unrealistic right now, which is obviously would still make him a big bust based on where he was drafted. But I don't think he was a workout warrior or he rose based on his combine. He was a highly regarded prospect because he put up nice numbers and people knew he had tremendous physical potential, but he I don't think anything changed based on his combine workouts, he was the exact same player.

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      • #33
        Gholston's going to be fine. If there's one thing I hate about sports today it's how quickly young guys are labeled with the b-word. That word is ********, and cheaper than a 2 dollar hoowah now. EVERYONE knew heading into the '08 draft that he was probably not going to set the world on fire immediately...somehow when it happened people were surprised anyway and the surprise quickly turned to anger and then hate. It's weird to watch.
        Last edited by SenorGato; 09-02-2010, 01:55 PM.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by SenorGato View Post
          Gholston's going to be fine. If there's one thing I hate about sports today it's how quickly young guys are labeled with the b-word. That word is ********, and cheaper than a 2 dollar hoowah now.
          He was the #6 pick and has yet to record a sack. As of right now, he absolutely is a bust.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
            I remember you were pimping Price hard and I wasn't a fan of his, and I was pimping Geno hard and you weren't a fan of his.

            I guess we were both right and wrong.

            I liked Joseph and Troup a lot too. I thought Troup would be better value bc I thought he'd go in round 3, but Buffalo reached for him.

            This was a great draft to overhaul your defensive line. I firmly believe that moving forward, its going to be easier to build a 4-3 defense than a 3-4.

            Just look at guys like Daryl Washington, Geno Atkins, Brian Price, Hardy, Michael Johnson, Houston, Carlos Dunlap. Lots of quality 4-3 guys are falling in the draft nowadays.
            It's not that I didn't like Geno, I just thought he had under-achieved throughout his college career and was infatuated with Price.

            I don't know if Buffalo reached for Troup. He was a legit second round prospect because he's going to be a good 3-4 NT, he's not as polished as Dan Williams but he has similar upside and Buffalo desperately needed a hard working Nose to develop as the anchor of their new 3-4. I would've loved him in the 3rd rounder but I've found that if I love a player at a certain spot it's often that they go well above that spot because someone else likes them at that higher spot. Ergo I like him as a second rounder, although I would've loved him as a third rounder.

            Plus I really don't think Cody is going to work out, even with the Ravens with Ngata, Gregg and Ray there to be on his ass, that's a great spot for him, but he's not just raw, he's raw, unmotivated and unfocused. And Buffalo is at a point right now where they can't take big character risks. They can wait for projects to come together but they really can't have their locker-room become filled with poorly motivated and unfocused bums if this rebuild is to have any lasting success.

            That's actually why I'm one of the few non-true-bills fans who didn't get on the team for passing on Anthony Davis. I think Davis is going to be a stud for the 9ers, but I think there's a good chance he could've become another Jason Peters for the Bills, a guy who came along and quickly became a beast who the fans fell in love with but became complacent being on a rebuilding team in Buffalo and hurt the locker-room because he wanted out.

            4-3 DL talent is falling and the slide of many penetrating UTs in this years draft proves it. Since the DL is by far the most important part of a 4-3 this is going to be a great time to be running a 4-3. Which is why I think going forward the Giants, Bengals and Titans could be running 3 of the most dominant defenses in the League. Although I worry that we might starting seeing the best values at LB being tampa-2 style LBs who have no place in the 3-4, which is a scheme we both really hate.

            Originally posted by Chucky View Post
            Bucs are going to have a scary interior pass rush in a year or two with McCoy and Price.
            Yeah, that duo's going to be awesome. But who do you guys have at the ends who you feel comfortable as a starter moving forward?
            Last edited by Rosebud; 09-02-2010, 02:12 PM.

            BK

            Originally posted by AcheTen
            JPP is a better and more productive player than Brandon Graham
            Originally posted by abaddon41_80
            Is Shaun Hill a top 10 QB? Definitely not. Is he a top 20 one? Almost certainly.
            Originally posted by JBCX
            Most misleading 10+ sack season EVER.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Hurricanes25 View Post
              He was the #6 pick and has yet to record a sack. As of right now, he absolutely is a bust.
              Yes, I understand that's how it works. I just think it's hacky in the long run.

              31 teams will regret passing on Hardy. Fact.
              +1,000,000

              Hardy could and did dominate SEC ball at 80%....I understand why he fell but the 6th? Steal of the draft...
              Last edited by SenorGato; 09-02-2010, 02:05 PM.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by J-Mike88 View Post
                I like strong, concise, clear statements like that.
                How is Gholston big enough to play DE now? Has he bulked up a lot?
                Wise guy ehhh?

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Hurricanes25 View Post
                  He was the #6 pick and has yet to record a sack. As of right now, he absolutely is a bust.
                  He has like a total of 30 tackles in his career.
                  **** her in da *****!

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Rosebud View Post
                    Yeah, that duo's going to be awesome. But who do you guys have at the ends who you feel comfortable as a starter moving forward?
                    Robert Quinn.



                    "Frosties are corn flakes for people who can't face reality"

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Don Vito View Post
                      31 teams will regret passing on Hardy. Fact.
                      Even the Panthers passed on him FOUR TIMES. Fact.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by TimDris View Post
                        hes back to playing his natural position.
                        I highly doubt that anyone other than Nostradamus would've said that 3-4 DE is his "natural" position. Just because the words "Defensive End" are included in his position title doesn't mean that 4-3 DE and 3-4 DE are very similar.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by irishbucsfan View Post
                          Robert Quinn.
                          lol, fair enough. I was curious to know if Moore or one of your current ends had shown something to believe he could be long term starter.

                          BK

                          Originally posted by AcheTen
                          JPP is a better and more productive player than Brandon Graham
                          Originally posted by abaddon41_80
                          Is Shaun Hill a top 10 QB? Definitely not. Is he a top 20 one? Almost certainly.
                          Originally posted by JBCX
                          Most misleading 10+ sack season EVER.

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                          • #43
                            It's easy to forget now how he absolutely ate Jake Long for lunch in that 07 game. He's gotta be able to at least flash a little talent in the NFL? I can't believe he could be that bad.
                            aka KGB Chicken

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by San Diego Chicken View Post
                              It's easy to forget now how he absolutely ate Jake Long for lunch in that 07 game. He's gotta be able to at least flash a little talent in the NFL? I can't believe he could be that bad.
                              actually he only beat Jake once. He was matched up against Steve Schilling most of the game.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by irishbucsfan View Post
                                Robert Quinn.
                                If that happened, the Bucs could have the top line in the NFL in 4 years. Maybe even trade a 7th for gholston and put him at LDE.
                                **** her in da *****!

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