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  • Originally posted by AntoinCD View Post
    And as for the point of Manning being a Vanderjagt miss away from having two rings, Brady is a second half defensive meltdown and a miracle catch away from 5 rings
    You are forgetting that in the last drive of the game with the "second half defensive meltdown" that Brady choked. Threw a drive ending interception. If people are going to criticise Manning for choking in important games then I believe that Brady should be fair game as well.

    Of the 7 times that Tom Brady has been in the Playoffs the Patriots have had a Top 6 scoring defence 6 times. Of the 10 times that Peyton Manning has been in the Playoffs the Colts have had a Top 6 scoring defence twice.

    In the 7 times that Tom Brady has been in the Playoffs the Patriots have had an average of the 15th best Rushing attack in the league, while the Colts, in the 10 times that Peyton Manning has been in the Playoffs have an average of the 21st best Rushing attack in the league.

    While neither the run game nor the defence for the Patriots was dominant it was better that anything Manning had to work with.
    Originally posted by George Carlin

    In Football the object is for the Field General to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the Defence by hitting his Receivers with deadly accuracy, in spite of the Blitz, even if he has to use the Shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack which punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy’s Defensive Line.

    In Baseball the object is to go home and be safe.

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    • Originally posted by Seamus2602 View Post
      You are forgetting that in the last drive of the game with the "second half defensive meltdown" that Brady choked. Threw a drive ending interception. If people are going to criticise Manning for choking in important games then I believe that Brady should be fair game as well.

      Of the 7 times that Tom Brady has been in the Playoffs the Patriots have had a Top 6 scoring defence 6 times. Of the 10 times that Peyton Manning has been in the Playoffs the Colts have had a Top 6 scoring defence twice.

      In the 7 times that Tom Brady has been in the Playoffs the Patriots have had an average of the 15th best Rushing attack in the league, while the Colts, in the 10 times that Peyton Manning has been in the Playoffs have an average of the 21st best Rushing attack in the league.

      While neither the run game nor the defence for the Patriots was dominant it was better that anything Manning had to work with.
      True but Manning had Harrison, Wayne, Stokley plus a very good offensive line for the early part of the decade while Brady had Branch, Givens, Brown etc. Now Manning has Wayne, Collie, Garcon, Clark, Gonzalez etc while Brady has Welker, Tate, Branch and Edelman. The two years Brady had with Moss they got to the SB once and lost in the playoffs last year. While the Pats defense was better and the running game may have been slightly better, the Colts had much better weapons. Not to take away from Manning's achievements but to say he has been a better playoff QB than Brady is frankly ridiculous.


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      • We think Manning has better weapons, but the bottom line is, you give him anyone, and he produces. I don't think there's such a thing as a down year for Peyton Manning. He will take guys no one has heard of and make them look so good that people talk about how much better they are than another QBs receivers.


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        • Originally posted by AntoinCD View Post
          True but Manning had Harrison, Wayne, Stokley plus a very good offensive line for the early part of the decade while Brady had Branch, Givens, Brown etc. Now Manning has Wayne, Collie, Garcon, Clark, Gonzalez etc while Brady has Welker, Tate, Branch and Edelman. The two years Brady had with Moss they got to the SB once and lost in the playoffs last year. While the Pats defense was better and the running game may have been slightly better, the Colts had much better weapons. Not to take away from Manning's achievements but to say he has been a better playoff QB than Brady is frankly ridiculous.
          You make it sound like Brady had nothing in his more successful years. He didn't have the class of Harrison or Wayne but he had good, decent receivers, a far better run game (statistically, maybe not in talent) than Manning ever had and a very good Offensive Line. Brady has had a Pro Bowlers on his Offensive Line for nearly half of his time in the Playoffs, something that can't be said for Manning. I'm not suggesting that Manning has been a better playoff QB than Brady but there isn't the gulf in difference that some people think there is.
          Originally posted by George Carlin

          In Football the object is for the Field General to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the Defence by hitting his Receivers with deadly accuracy, in spite of the Blitz, even if he has to use the Shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack which punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy’s Defensive Line.

          In Baseball the object is to go home and be safe.

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          • Originally posted by MichaelJordanEberle (sabf) View Post
            We think Manning has better weapons, but the bottom line is, you give him anyone, and he produces. I don't think there's such a thing as a down year for Peyton Manning. He will take guys no one has heard of and make them look so good that people talk about how much better they are than another QBs receivers.
            Exactly. The only reason people mention Garcon and Collie as weapons is because Peyton is their QB. If you put those 2 guys with Jake Delhomme you may not even know who they are.
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            • Originally posted by Seamus2602 View Post
              You make it sound like Brady had nothing in his more successful years. He didn't have the class of Harrison or Wayne but he had good, decent receivers, a far better run game (statistically, maybe not in talent) than Manning ever had and a very good Offensive Line. Brady has had a Pro Bowlers on his Offensive Line for nearly half of his time in the Playoffs, something that can't be said for Manning. I'm not suggesting that Manning has been a better playoff QB than Brady but there isn't the gulf in difference that some people think there is.
              Jeff Saturday has been there for 12 years and Tarik Glenn was there for Manning every year through 2006.

              2 Superbowls is a gulf of difference

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              • Originally posted by MichaelJordanEberle (sabf) View Post
                We think Manning has better weapons, but the bottom line is, you give him anyone, and he produces. I don't think there's such a thing as a down year for Peyton Manning. He will take guys no one has heard of and make them look so good that people talk about how much better they are than another QBs receivers.
                Yeah I can agree with that especially when you look at Stokley, Collie, Garcon etc. But throughout his time in Indy he has also had 4 1st round receiving options, one who is Hall of Fame bound, one who may just be on the outside looking in at the end of his career, one of the top receiving TEs in the game and Gonzalez. All the best QBs make their WRs look better. Look at Drew Brees; Colston, Moore, Henderson etc are all made to look better.


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                • Originally posted by wonderbredd24 View Post
                  Jeff Saturday has been there for 12 years and Tarik Glenn was there for Manning every year through 2006.

                  2 Superbowls is a gulf of difference
                  2001-2003 Damien Woody
                  2003-Now Dan Koppen

                  Both Pro Bowlers

                  Brady has always had Matt Light, also a Pro Bowler.

                  What I meant is that half of the time Brady is in the Playoffs he has had a person on his line who was in the Pro Bowl that year.

                  There are 10 Quarterbacks in NFL history with more Superbowl wins than Peyton Manning. Anyone going to claim that they are all better than him? Superbowl victories are a key statistic but they are not the only key statistic.
                  Last edited by Seamus2602; 10-22-2010, 10:20 AM.
                  Originally posted by George Carlin

                  In Football the object is for the Field General to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the Defence by hitting his Receivers with deadly accuracy, in spite of the Blitz, even if he has to use the Shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack which punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy’s Defensive Line.

                  In Baseball the object is to go home and be safe.

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                  • Originally posted by Seamus2602 View Post
                    2001-2003 Damien Woody
                    2003-Now Dan Koppen

                    Both Pro Bowlers

                    Brady has always had Matt Light, also a Pro Bowler.

                    What I meant is that half of the time Brady is in the Playoffs he has had a person on his line who was in the Pro Bowl that year.

                    There are 10 Quarterbacks in NFL history with more Superbowl wins than Peyton Manning. Anyone going to claim that they are all better than him? Superbowl victories are a key statistic but they are not the only key statistic.
                    Dan Koppen should not have gone to the pro bowl and was vastly overrated. People are now realising that he is a liability. Matt Light while a very good, steady OT was never in the class of Tarik Glenn. The question wasn't who was the best QB, it was when someone decided to use stats like passer rating etc to say Peyton Manning is a better playoff QB than Tom Brady


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                    • You said this...
                      Originally posted by Seamus2602
                      Brady has had a Pro Bowlers on his Offensive Line for nearly half of his time in the Playoffs, something that can't be said for Manning
                      You're right, it's been 100% of the time. Tarik Glenn was there when Manning was drafted and Saturday arrived the year after Manning.

                      As for this
                      Originally posted by Seamus2602 View Post
                      There are 10 Quarterbacks in NFL history with more Superbowl wins than Peyton Manning. Anyone going to claim that they are all better than him.
                      In terms of the playoffs, which is what was being discussed, yes. They are all better in the playoffs than Manning.

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                      • But this thread isn't about who is the better Playoff QB. It is about who is the better between the two. The discussion started when people starting crying that Manning is going to finish ahead of Brady in the Top 100. Someone argued that because Brady's record in the playoffs is better he should be higher. Someone else argued that Manning was, in terms of yards, ypa and passer rating, better than Brady in the Playoffs. The discussion then turned to whether those stats are reliable.

                        Passer Rating is as reliable to the ability of a Quarterback as Superbowl rings are. If it was all about rings then Terry Bradshaw would be better than John Elway. We all know that isn't true.

                        Brady has been better in the playoffs than Manning. Not signficantly better but better. I don't believe that Brady's slightly better play in the playoffs offsets Manning's significantly better play in the Regular Season.
                        Originally posted by George Carlin

                        In Football the object is for the Field General to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the Defence by hitting his Receivers with deadly accuracy, in spite of the Blitz, even if he has to use the Shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack which punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy’s Defensive Line.

                        In Baseball the object is to go home and be safe.

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                        • Originally posted by wonderbredd24 View Post
                          In terms of the playoffs, which is what was being discussed, yes. They are all better in the playoffs than Manning.
                          That's nonesense. By that idea Trent Dilfer is as good a playoff Quarterback as Peyton Manning. As good as Drew Brees.
                          Originally posted by George Carlin

                          In Football the object is for the Field General to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the Defence by hitting his Receivers with deadly accuracy, in spite of the Blitz, even if he has to use the Shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack which punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy’s Defensive Line.

                          In Baseball the object is to go home and be safe.

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                          • Originally posted by Seamus2602 View Post
                            Brady has been better in the playoffs than Manning. Not signficantly better but better. I don't believe that Brady's slightly better play in the playoffs offsets Manning's significantly better play in the Regular Season.
                            2 more Superbowls, 5 more wins, and 5 less losses makes Tom Brady significantly better than Manning in the playoffs.

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                            • Originally posted by Seamus2602 View Post
                              That's nonesense. By that idea Trent Dilfer is as good a playoff Quarterback as Peyton Manning. As good as Drew Brees.
                              You can fluke your way into 1 Super Bowl victory like Trent Dilfer did, but no one has fluked their way into 2+.

                              Joe Montana, Terry Bradshaw, Troy Aikman, Tom Brady, John Elway, Ben Roethlisberger, Bob Griese, Jim Plunkett, Roger Staubach, and Bart Starr are all better playoff QBs than Peyton Manning.

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                              • Originally posted by wonderbredd24 View Post
                                2 more Superbowls, 5 more wins, and 5 less losses makes Tom Brady significantly better than Manning in the playoffs.
                                I think a really, really understated fact is that you can only lose once per postseason. I'm pretty sure something like 6 or 7 of the Manning's playoff appearances have been one-and-done.

                                I will admit, though, that Brady's shine from earlier in his career is wearing off a little bit. He needs to win some postseason games this year.

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