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  • #91
    I'm not sure who the better QB is between both of them but i just wanted to add that a lot of the sacks that Aaron Rodgers took was from him holding on to the ball for way too long trying to make a play.
    Peyton Manning Fanboy
    Originally posted by Complex
    They said I couldn't be a high school QB. They said I couldn't get a D1 scholarship. BeerBaron said I couldn't beat the Bears. - Tebow

    Proving the doubters wrong.

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    • #92
      Originally posted by SenorGato View Post
      I just want that out there before the season starts.

      Rivers is the best under 30 QB in the league that I can think of right now at 5:15 AM.
      They're close enough that a case can be made for either, as is the case with Manning and Brady to an extent (wow Rodney Harrison just put Brees at #2, behind Manning, and ahead of his boy Brady).

      I'd personally rather, going forward, Rodgers' Packers win 3 rings and Rivers' Bolts win 1 ring, and you can call Rivers better. I'd be fine with that :o)

      I actually love Rivers too. Good guy, always has been a leader and winner.

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      • #93
        Originally posted by SenorGato View Post
        that D isn't as good as they performed last year.
        That seems like sound logic.

        Joe Montana isn't as good as those super bowls he won.

        What do the vikings and marijuana have in common? Every time you put them in a bowl
        they get smoked.

        2010-2011 Super Bowl Champions
        Hint:Not the Bears.

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        • #94
          Originally posted by SenorGato View Post
          The Packers in general are the most overrated team in the NFL...that D isn't as good as they performed last year.
          As good as we performed last year?
          You mean last year when we allowed Roethlisberger to to set an all-time Steelers franchise record with over 500 yards passing?
          Or you mean last year when their defense allowed Favre 700 yards and 7 TDs to 0 interceptions?
          Or you mean last year when Aaron Rodgers playoff record passing day was overshadowed by that Packer defense performing to the tune of letting Arizona beat us and our 45 points?

          Our defense performed like crap last year, except against crap teams, and the overrated Ravens and Cowboys, two teams we shut down.

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          • #95
            Originally posted by TitleTown088 View Post
            That seems like sound logic.

            Joe Montana isn't as good as those super bowls he won.
            If only football worked that way...I'm not projecting Joe Montana's year to year performance with his 3 Super Bowl rings...it was a cute try though.

            In the places where your D isn't old, it's mediocre. Tf is a Brad Jones?

            Edit: Guy above this post...I should have read your post...so the D just sucks...good to know.
            Last edited by SenorGato; 09-09-2010, 08:27 PM.

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            • #96
              Originally posted by SenorGato View Post
              If only football worked that way...

              In the places where your D isn't old, it's mediocre.
              Oh I get it, the place where it's old. like at CB? Where the DPOY played?

              1st overall run D, and a top 5 pass D. Mediocre.

              What do the vikings and marijuana have in common? Every time you put them in a bowl
              they get smoked.

              2010-2011 Super Bowl Champions
              Hint:Not the Bears.

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              • #97
                Originally posted by J-Mike88 View Post
                As good as we performed last year?
                You mean last year when we allowed Roethlisberger to to set an all-time Steelers franchise record with over 500 yards passing?
                Or you mean last year when their defense allowed Favre 700 yards and 7 TDs to 0 interceptions?
                Or you mean last year when Aaron Rodgers playoff record passing day was overshadowed by that Packer defense performing to the tune of letting Arizona beat us and our 45 points?

                Our defense performed like crap last year, except against crap teams, and the overrated Ravens and Cowboys, two teams we shut down.
                The Ravens' shut themselves down in that game because of careless penalties.

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                Originally posted by Job
                On another note, Nicklas Backstrom is amazingly good.
                Meanwhile, in hockey the other night, the Washington Capitals' Eric Belanger gets hit with a stick, loses EIGHT teeth, has an instant root canal in the locker room, comes back out and PLAYS and never says boo.

                So new rule, NBA: Unless you have a root canal at halftime, SHUT UP AND PLAY!

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                • #98
                  Rodgers is an elite QB, but not a top tier (aka Manning, Brees, maybe Brady) one who is oversold because of fantasy football

                  Ryan will never be elite. He's good but is pretty close to his ceiling barring some crazy transformation such as Brady's body coming out of college vs Brady now.

                  Rivers is elite and is basically all the Chargers have at this point but has a couple flaws that prevent him from entering the top tier.

                  bbd is only bringing up the playoffs because his QB is Eli, who is Ryan-level aside from one 4 game stretch that would be wholly forgotten if not for a special teams player making a HOF all-time catch

                  Just remember, Jake Delhomme was a great playoff QB until he remembered he was Jake Delhomme and threw 5 picks in one game

                  /thread

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by soybean View Post
                    Rodgers's ability to run is one of the most underrated facets of his game.
                    I'll counter with Rivers' pocket presence and ability to read defenses. It's one of the reasons why he takes so few sacks despite having an ever changing line last year. I think Rodgers relies too much on his athleticism like Big Ben to try to make plays that he holds onto the ball way too long and takes unnecessary sacks.

                    Really, in the end both are great players and people. Rivers is probably the more consistent of the two. And I mean in the sense that he's usually level in his stats. He has only thrown four TDs once in his career, but he has never thrown more than two interceptions in a game. He also only has thrown two redzone interceptions in his entire career.

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                    • Originally posted by ThePudge View Post
                      Stick to that opinion & let yourself be shown up. Anyone that has not forseen a breakout from Aaron Rodgers didn't watch football a year ago. The guy made major strides & is just about as good as it gets in every major aspect of playing the Quarterback position. I didn't say he was the best LAST YEAR; in fact, few would argue that a year ago Drew Brees or Peyton Manning was the best.

                      People are projecting him to be the best this year.
                      Last season Aaron Rodgers had good receivers (not great, good) but a treacherous Offensive Line, especially early in the season. He rarely had ample time to throw & teams came at him. Still, he managed to cement his name among the Top 5 QBs in the game in only his second season as a starter.

                      He routinely torched the best defenses in football (see Baltimore, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Minnesota)

                      Baltimore - 26-40 263 yds 3 Td 2 Int
                      Cincinnati - 21-39 261 yds 1 Td
                      Pittsburgh - 26-48 383 yds 3 Td + 1 Rushing Td

                      Minnesota - 26-37 384 yds 2 Td 1 Int
                      Minnesota - 26-41 287 yds 3 Td
                      Rivers' stats against the same teams aren't so bad as well.

                      Baltimore - 25-45 436 yds 2 Td 2 Int
                      Cincinnati - 24-38 308 yds 3 Td 2 Int
                      Pittsburgh - 21-36 254 yds 3 Td

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                      • Originally posted by Sportsfan486 View Post
                        This thread is ridiculous. Go get split screen and watch River's on half and Rodger's on half. It's not even close. You could argue Rivers has a better deep ball than Rodgers but he gets beat hands down on every other count. Rodgers has a crisper and faster release, more arm strength on short to medium throws, better pocket presence and mobility, better ability to read defenses, etc etc.

                        And this is only Rodgers third season starting. And last season, for half of it, he was on pace to get sacked a near record amount of times. And while some of it was his fault, the vast majority was just awful protection. AND if you look how quickly Rodgers has improved on the fault that caused some sacks (taking too long to get rid of the ball) it's pretty incredible. For the last half of the season and especially this preseason he's been incredibly fast getting rid of the ball.

                        And what's your argument? Rivers had, arguably, a better offense the last few years with a #1 WR that plays to his strengths, an amazing TE and a very good OLine (comparatively, at least.)
                        The first bolded part is debatable since it's hard to gauge quick releases. Needless to say for all the grief Rivers gets for his throwing motion, it's one of the fastest in the NFL because there's almost no wasted motion.

                        As for the other bolded parts, those are flat out wrong. Rivers has much better pocket presence and ability to read defenses. The only part of his oline that stay constant last year was his left tackle and left guard (who played below his pro bowl level). His line was in a constant flux the entire season with someone always getting injured. And yet he still had one of the lowest sack numbers because of his ability to make quick decisions, read defenses, and move in the pocket. He's like Brees and Peyton in that regards. Watch as he makes Dombroski (the UDFA left tackle filling in for McNeill) look very good. Similar to how Brees made Bushrod and Peyton with Charlie Johnson.
                        Last edited by Xenos; 09-10-2010, 12:14 PM.

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                        • Originally posted by Vikes99ej View Post
                          You can't insult Aaron Rodgers. Not allowed in this thread.

                          What do the vikings and marijuana have in common? Every time you put them in a bowl
                          they get smoked.

                          2010-2011 Super Bowl Champions
                          Hint:Not the Bears.

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                          • Originally posted by TitleTown088 View Post
                            Oh I get it, the place where it's old. like at CB? Where the DPOY played?

                            1st overall run D, and a top 5 pass D. Mediocre.
                            *Internet sigh*...

                            1. Your DPOY shouldn't have won it. Just sayin.

                            2. He's 35 going on 36 anyway. Not many top D's built around 36 year old DBs, 1 young OLB, and a bunch of mediocre front 7 guys.

                            3. One year is not some trend. They also changed schemes last year so 1. they got the little boost from that that teams seem to get and 2. not many NFC North teams see a 3-4 all that often. When I find out wtf a Brad Jones is then maybe I'll think that I underrate that D, but for the most part I look at the guys on the roster and few intrigue me.

                            4. Even some of your fans admit the D wasn't even that good last year. Sure the stats look pretty, but numbers only tell so much for so long...especially in this sport.

                            If it helps, I really like BJ Raji.
                            Last edited by SenorGato; 09-10-2010, 01:26 AM.

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                            • bitches must not know about p-rivs


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                              • Originally posted by bantx View Post
                                bitches must not know about Tom Brady
                                FYP... Still the best QB in the NFL and everyone forgets about him.

                                1. Brady
                                2. Manning
                                3. Brees
                                4a. Rodgers
                                4a. Rivers

                                in 3-5 years

                                1. Rodgers
                                2. Rivers
                                3. Ryan
                                4. Stafford
                                5. Bradford

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