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  • Originally posted by Halsey View Post
    In hindsight I find myself wondering why I didn't think more highly of Freeman coming out of college. He's got ideal physical tools and shows good intangibles.

    Oh, and Ryan is the best QB in this thread. Stafford is a close second and nobody deserves to be called third. No homer.
    This is straight homer. Flacco and Ryan have near identical career statistics.

    Joe Flacco

    40 GP, 85.8 passer rating, 61.5 Completion Percentage, 8,501 yards, 7.1 YPA, 47 TDs, 30 INTs

    26-14 as a starter.

    Matt Ryan

    38 GP, 85.7 passer rating, 60.4 Completion Percentage, 8, 305 yards, 7.1 YPA, 51 TDs, 30 INTs

    26-12 as a starter.


    So where outside of your ridiculous homerism does Ryan rank as a far superior QB to Flacco? Not to mention, Ryan did all this with Roddy White, a top 5 WR, while Flacco has been throwing to Derrick Mason and Mark Clayton up until this season. Once again, your incredible level of idiocy stuns us all. Not to mention in that period, Flacco has won 2 playoff games. So how in the world is Matt Ryan a far superior QB to Joe Flacco?
    Originally posted by Mr. Goosemahn
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    Originally posted by killxswitch
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    • When I took a look at the list my first impression was that I would be pretty optimistic if any of those guys was the QB for my team. The only thing that gave me pause was Stafford's injuries so far, and something in the back of my mind that has never bought into Sanchez as being able to be an elite QB, but that isn't based on anything tangible or factual.

      But if you told me I had to take Bradford, Freeman, Flacco, or Ryan I'd be thrilled with any of them at this point. I voted for Freeman because I'm a Bucs fan and he's the one I've seen play the most, and homerism is a factor. Freeman isn't an MVP, he isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread, he can't walk on water, and he isn't head and shoulders better than any of the other guys on the list. But, he gives Bucs' fans a lot of reasons to be optimistic - just like Ryan does for ATL fans, and Bradford does for STL fans, etc.


      I would also add that it is very exciting and refreshing to see a group of young QBs doing so well so early in their careers.
      "If everyone liked the same thing everyone would be after your grandmother."

      My Grandfather

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      • I am pretty sure he is being sarcastic in that post. Well for gods sake I hope he was.

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        • I was being serious about Freeman and bsing about Ryan and Stafford. I actually think Stafford and Ryan are 1a and 1 b. Nobody deserves to be called second or third.

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          • December 5th, the rematch.
            Atlanta at Tampa Bay.
            Will the game sell out?

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            • I have yet to do mine, here it goes:

              Bradford > Freeman > Stafford > Ryan > Flacco > Sanchez

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              • Originally posted by Halsey View Post
                I was being serious about Freeman and bsing about Ryan and Stafford. I actually think Stafford and Ryan are 1a and 1 b. Nobody deserves to be called second or third.
                so.... what exactly is it that far separates Ryan and Stafford from Flacco?

                Flacco's won more games than Stafford, has better numbers than Stafford, is tougher than Stafford, arguably stronger arm than Stafford, and has made it to the playoffs more than Stafford.

                As for Matt Ryan, statistically, they are almost identical. However, Flacco has gone to the playoffs in his first two seasons, whereas Ryan has only gone once. (1/2)

                So please, what makes Stafford and Ryan so much better than Flacco?

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                • Originally posted by BmoreBlackByrdz View Post
                  so.... what exactly is it that far separates Ryan and Stafford from Flacco?

                  Flacco's won more games than Stafford, has better numbers than Stafford, is tougher than Stafford, arguably stronger arm than Stafford, and has made it to the playoffs more than Stafford.

                  As for Matt Ryan, statistically, they are almost identical. However, Flacco has gone to the playoffs in his first two seasons, whereas Ryan has only gone once. (1/2)

                  So please, what makes Stafford and Ryan so much better than Flacco?
                  Matt Ryan was 9-4 last year as a starter I believe (might be off by a game), so you can't say not making the playoffs was on him. He was injured for three games. Carry on.

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                  • Originally posted by A Perfect Score View Post
                    This is straight homer. Flacco and Ryan have near identical career statistics.

                    Joe Flacco

                    40 GP, 85.8 passer rating, 61.5 Completion Percentage, 8,501 yards, 7.1 YPA, 47 TDs, 30 INTs

                    26-14 as a starter.

                    Matt Ryan

                    38 GP, 85.7 passer rating, 60.4 Completion Percentage, 8, 305 yards, 7.1 YPA, 51 TDs, 30 INTs

                    26-12 as a starter.


                    So where outside of your ridiculous homerism does Ryan rank as a far superior QB to Flacco? Not to mention, Ryan did all this with Roddy White, a top 5 WR, while Flacco has been throwing to Derrick Mason and Mark Clayton up until this season. Once again, your incredible level of idiocy stuns us all. Not to mention in that period, Flacco has won 2 playoff games. So how in the world is Matt Ryan a far superior QB to Joe Flacco?
                    Halsey failed to respond to this, most likely because it deflates his absolutely idiotic argument. Also, what I forgot to mention is how much higher Flacco's ceiling is then Ryan's. They are nearly identical at this point in their careers, but Flacco has the potential to be so much more then he is where alot of people believe Ryan has already begun to peak. So again, where is it that Ryan is better then Flacco?
                    Originally posted by Mr. Goosemahn
                    The APS is strong in this one.
                    Originally posted by killxswitch
                    Tears for Fears is better than whatever it is you happen to be thinking about right now.

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                    • Originally posted by A Perfect Score View Post
                      Halsey failed to respond to this, most likely because it deflates his absolutely idiotic argument. Also, what I forgot to mention is how much higher Flacco's ceiling is then Ryan's. They are nearly identical at this point in their careers, but Flacco has the potential to be so much more then he is where alot of people believe Ryan has already begun to peak. So again, where is it that Ryan is better then Flacco?
                      Because Halsey said so....... Duh.


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                      • Originally posted by A Perfect Score View Post
                        Halsey failed to respond to this, most likely because it deflates his absolutely idiotic argument. Also, what I forgot to mention is how much higher Flacco's ceiling is then Ryan's. They are nearly identical at this point in their careers, but Flacco has the potential to be so much more then he is where alot of people believe Ryan has already begun to peak. So again, where is it that Ryan is better then Flacco?

                        I understand attacking the Halsey argument, because it's dumb, but this is rather silly. Flacco's ceiling is higher why exactly? Because he has a better arm? And the people who think Ryan's peaked, well I don't really know what to say. Besides the blatant watch the game improvements that I/other Falcons fans have seen, his numbers have gotten better, and it's a little early to say that a a quarterback who has played 2 and a half seasons has peaked.

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                        • good point, everyone and their mom knew Ryan would start off their careers better. They are virtually equal right now it will be a nice battle for years to come!


                          Also Flaccos stats post that bengals bomb.


                          att: 186
                          completion: 123
                          completion %: 66%
                          Avg: 8.14
                          yards: 1515
                          TD: 11
                          INT: 1
                          QB Rating: 108.60

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                          • Originally posted by ATLDirtyBirds View Post
                            I understand attacking the Halsey argument, because it's dumb, but this is rather silly. Flacco's ceiling is higher why exactly? Because he has a better arm? And the people who think Ryan's peaked, well I don't really know what to say. Besides the blatant watch the game improvements that I/other Falcons fans have seen, his numbers have gotten better, and it's a little early to say that a a quarterback who has played 2 and a half seasons has peaked.
                            I don't think Ryan has peaked. I've said multiple times I'm a huge fan of what Atlanta are doing and in fact they were my preseason pick to represent the NFC in the Super Bowl, so it isnt like I don't appreciate what Ryan is doing down there as well. I'm of course talking about the physical attributes of both players, and its a cold hard fact that there are going to be throws Flacco can make that Ryan won't be able to. Not saying Ryan doesn't have the arm strength to push a 15 yard out, but Flacco can do those things with ease. Assuming all the chips fall perfectly for both players and they progress to the level that they should, I think you would have a hard time finding anyone really who would suggest Ryan has a higher ceiling then Flacco. But don't misconstrue my sentiments towards Flacco as a detriment to Ryan...I really like him and the Falcons as a whole. You just have some dumbass fans, like Halsey, who make jackass statements like you see above.
                            Originally posted by Mr. Goosemahn
                            The APS is strong in this one.
                            Originally posted by killxswitch
                            Tears for Fears is better than whatever it is you happen to be thinking about right now.

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                            • Flacco>Bradford>Sanchez>Ryan>Freeman and they're all great. I'm abstaining from Stafford until I see more of his games.

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                              • I think that Flacco and Ryan are being underrated. 2.5 years and now people think that they can't develop anymore.


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