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  • The players (Holmes, Edwards, LT)around him were studs with before they had Sanchez as their QB.

    "I don't do Pro Days, we send our scouts to those. I would rather spend my time watching film. The eye in the sky never lies. Functional Strength and athletic ability are the first things we look for in a college prospect." - Mark Dominik, Buccaneers GM

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    • ^And now they're studs on an 8-2 team.
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      • Originally posted by bucfan12 View Post
        Guys like Bradford, Ryan, Freeman, and Flacco are going to be (if they aren't already) Franchise QB's and even Elite status. I just see that they just have "it" and were all put in tough situations taking over losing teams their rookie seasons. All 4 responded very well.

        Stafford will be put in this conversation when he can take a hit without getting injured. When healthy, he is an amazing talent. I saw it during pre-season that he was going to light things up as well. The jury is out on him until he can make it through a season.

        Sanchez lights up the NFL's worst pass defense and suddenly every one says he's the best? I just read an article that a few writers have him as a top 5 mvp candidate. Give me a break. The guy has a top 5 running game, probably the best o-line in the game, a top rated defense, and guys like Santonio Holmes and Braylon Edwards on the outside. I just don't know if he would have as much success as the other 5 if he were put into their situation.s
        It's only top 5 based on attempts, they don't really do anything special.

        Also, were you blowin up Braylon when he was a Brown?

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        • Also it's amazing how many Bucs fans continually blow up Freeman when his team is still 0-3 against teams over .500 and then they retort: THEY'RE THE YOUNGEST TEAM IN THE LEAGUE!

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          • Originally posted by bullg8rdaddy View Post
            The players (Holmes, Edwards, LT)around him were studs with before they had Sanchez as their QB.
            Braylon Edwards was not a stud. He has one good season to his name. Just like Peerless Price.

            Tomlinson was over the hill as well.

            Those guys you listed aren't exactly superstars except maybe Holmes.

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            • I've never been a big Flacco fan, but he's been playing extremely well over the last two months. Just wanted to point that out. I would still rank him pretty low out of this group altogether, but you could do much much worse at QB.
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              • Clearly every single player should be judged on his team's record when convenient for the argument.
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                • Originally posted by bullg8rdaddy View Post
                  The players (Holmes, Edwards, LT)around him were studs with before they had Sanchez as their QB.
                  Holmes missed 4 games and Sanchez went 3-1....

                  Edwards had one good year in CLE before coming to the Jets and being a good WR. Shows that CLE had no production out of the QB spot as opposed to what Sanchez is doing

                  LT was great early on for the Jets but since coming off the BYE, he has slowed down tremendously and has been not getting the same burst coming out of the backfield.

                  Dustin Keller was money early on but he has been getting double teamed up now and that was Sanchez favorite toy of them all.

                  Add he QBs in a spotty at best coordinator in Schottenheimer and I gotta say Sanchez has been awesome this year when allowed to throw. Lone games I would say he sucked in was Denver, Green Bay and Baltimore(Though that falls on the coaching staff for not wanting to air it out.....I mean St Pierre launched a damn bomb on that secondary for goodness sake)

                  Vs Miami, vs New England, vs Houston(I get their D sucks but its lose-lose with Sanchez here....he does well vs them and its expected but he does poor and its the end of the damn world), vs Cleveland, vs Detroit and vs Minnesota(Though the monsoon really slowed him down).

                  Also VERY INTERESTING note:

                  Matt Ryan- Dome QB for half his games/plays in fair weather in NFC South games
                  Matt Stafford- Dome QB for half his games/Plays rough weather vs GBx2 and CHIx2
                  Sam Bradford- Dome QB for half his games/plays in fair weather in NFC West games
                  Josh Freeman- 70-80 degree weather for half his games/plays in fair weather in NFC South Games

                  So Joe Flacco and Mark Sanchez(In particular him) play in the roughest enviroments and climates of them all. Sanchez goes to snowy Ralph Wilson, Gillette and half of his games is in the windy/frigid Meadowlands where Eli Manning who is considered by alot to be at the worst a top 10 QB in the game has yet to win a playoff game.
                  Last edited by Thecollegedropout; 11-23-2010, 10:12 AM.

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                  • Originally posted by Complex View Post
                    Yeah, it must be so hard for Matt Ryan to throw passes to medicore players like Tony G. and Roddy White and handing the ball off to Mike Turner. Poor Matt Ryan IDK how he does it.

                    Joe Flacco has to throw the ball to likes of Anquan Boldin, Mason, TJ, Heap and hand it off to Ray Rice. The Ravens better put some talent around Joe Flacco if they want him to succeed not these scrubs, he is playing with now.

                    Stafford is throwing the ball to CFL/UFL WRs and TEs.
                    Not sure if serious about the Stafford part. Calvin Johnson is an absolute freak, one of the top 3 receivers in the NFL imo, and Pettigrew has to potential to be a stud in the future.

                    Also, I think Mark Sanchez may actually have the best supporting cast of any of these QBs. Has one of the top running games in the NFL, an outstanding offensive line, a great young tight end in Dustin Keller, and three good receivers in Santonio Holmes, Braylon Edwards, and Jerricho Cotchery.

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                    • Originally posted by Draft King View Post
                      Not sure if serious about the Stafford part. Calvin Johnson is an absolute freak, one of the top 3 receivers in the NFL imo, and Pettigrew has to potential to be a stud in the future.

                      Also, I think Mark Sanchez may actually have the best supporting cast of any of these QBs. Has one of the top running games in the NFL, an outstanding offensive line, a great young tight end in Dustin Keller, and three good receivers in Santonio Holmes, Braylon Edwards, and Jerricho Cotchery.

                      I think he meant Bradford

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                      • Originally posted by Saints-Tigers View Post
                        Clearly every single player should be judged on his team's record when convenient for the argument.
                        Not solely.

                        But in terms of judging an NFL QB, winning games should be the primary criterion. There are other things to consider, but it's not like he's going out there and attempting 15 passes...

                        He's not playing "game-manager". He's out there in the 4thQ winning games in the clutch.
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                        • Freeman is too. ^^^

                          @ Thecollegedropout, thanks for the great info you added. (no sarcasm)

                          "I don't do Pro Days, we send our scouts to those. I would rather spend my time watching film. The eye in the sky never lies. Functional Strength and athletic ability are the first things we look for in a college prospect." - Mark Dominik, Buccaneers GM

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                          • Originally posted by holt_bruce81 View Post
                            1. Sam Bradford
                            2. Matt Ryan
                            3. Josh Freeman
                            4. Mark Sanchez
                            5. Matthew Stafford
                            6. Joe Flacco
                            lmao...... Sanchez lights up some bad defenses, and you put him above Flacco and Stafford?

                            1. Sam Bradford
                            2. Joe Flacco
                            3. Matt Ryan
                            4. Josh Freeman
                            5. Mathew Stafford (if he can stay healthy)
                            6. Mark Sanchez

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                            • Originally posted by Thecollegedropout View Post
                              Holmes missed 4 games and Sanchez went 3-1....

                              Edwards had one good year in CLE before coming to the Jets and being a good WR. Shows that CLE had no production out of the QB spot as opposed to what Sanchez is doing

                              LT was great early on for the Jets but since coming off the BYE, he has slowed down tremendously and has been not getting the same burst coming out of the backfield.

                              Dustin Keller was money early on but he has been getting double teamed up now and that was Sanchez favorite toy of them all.

                              Add he QBs in a spotty at best coordinator in Schottenheimer and I gotta say Sanchez has been awesome this year when allowed to throw. Lone games I would say he sucked in was Denver, Green Bay and Baltimore(Though that falls on the coaching staff for not wanting to air it out.....I mean St Pierre launched a damn bomb on that secondary for goodness sake)

                              Vs Miami, vs New England, vs Houston(I get their D sucks but its lose-lose with Sanchez here....he does well vs them and its expected but he does poor and its the end of the damn world), vs Cleveland, vs Detroit and vs Minnesota(Though the monsoon really slowed him down).

                              Also VERY INTERESTING note:

                              Matt Ryan- Dome QB for half his games/plays in fair weather in NFC South games
                              Matt Stafford- Dome QB for half his games/Plays rough weather vs GBx2 and CHIx2
                              Sam Bradford- Dome QB for half his games/plays in fair weather in NFC West games
                              Josh Freeman- 70-80 degree weather for half his games/plays in fair weather in NFC South Games

                              So Joe Flacco and Mark Sanchez(In particular him) play in the roughest enviroments and climates of them all. Sanchez goes to snowy Ralph Wilson, Gillette and half of his games is in the windy/frigid Meadowlands where Eli Manning who is considered by alot to be at the worst a top 10 QB in the game has yet to win a playoff game.
                              I'm pretty sure anyone would take snowy, and traditionally bad Buffalo Bills team, over playing Pittsburgh twice a year.

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                              • Originally posted by bullg8rdaddy View Post
                                The players (Holmes, Edwards, LT)around him were studs with before they had Sanchez as their QB.
                                So were Roddy white, Boldin, Calvin Johnson, Tony G, Mason, and the rest

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