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  • Originally posted by ATLDirtyBirds View Post
    Damn that Matt Ryan for playing in a balanced offensive attack! Our offensive is conservative why? Because we don't make mistakes? Or because we don't throw the ball deep 15 times a game?
    How is it not conservative? The Falcons 2nd leading receiver is a tight end, the 3rd one is a ******* fullback.

    Ryan has one of the lowest YPA in the league. It's not exactly a secret that he checkdowns a LOT.


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    • Eh, I think people on here vastly overrate the Falcons' offensive talent. Turner is good, but offers nothing in the passing game. Not only that, but he's a guy who does most of his damage late in the game when the defense is worn down. He's not much of an early game back.

      Tony Gonzales is terrible these days. He's crafty and knows where to sit against zones, but he offers you nothing other than seven yard in routes.

      Their receiving corp consists of Roddy and a bunch of nobodies. I honestly don't think anybody on their receiving corp would start for another NFL team.

      I'm interested to see what teams do against them in the playoffs. This is the time of year when defensive coordinators take away your fastball and force you to rely on your other pitches (hate baseball, but the analogy works). Let's see how Ryan responds then.

      Remember guys, the real NFL season is just now beginning. We'll have a much better read on Ryan, Flacco, and Sanchez in a month or so.
      Last edited by yourfavestoner; 01-04-2011, 12:47 PM.

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      • His supporting cast is still the best on that list of quarterbacks. Maybe Stafford is better off with Megatron.


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        • Originally posted by bearsfan_51 View Post
          His supporting cast is still the best on that list of quarterbacks. Maybe Stafford is better off with Megatron.
          I would argue that Stafford and Sanchez both have a better supporting cast. Freeman has a worse #1 receiver, but other than that his supporting cast is better as well.

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          • Originally posted by bearsfan_51 View Post
            How is it not conservative? The Falcons 2nd leading receiver is a tight end, the 3rd one is a ******* fullback.

            Ryan has one of the lowest YPA in the league. It's not exactly a secret that he checkdowns a LOT.

            Yeah, that's not indicative of receiving talent at all. And it's been discussed to death now, but the YPA is low because we run the lowest amount of screens in the league, and have to lowest YAC in the league. Your making it sound like he's Kevin Kolb. He certainly isn't a check down quarterback.

            And his surrounding talent is better than anyone on the list? Really? We have zero depth behind Roddy.

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            • Originally posted by bearsfan_51 View Post
              I'm probably being a little too hard on Ryan due to the overhype. I think he's the 2nd best QB on the list, at the moment, with Flacco third.

              I don't understand why so many people voted Stafford. Based on what? College?
              I guess this is a Canada thing because I don't have ESPN to watch, but I never really hear Matt Ryan as the "Peyton Manning or Tom Brady". Maybe it is worse down there, but he is never really even talked about where I'm from.

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              • Matt needs a slot WR. Bad.

                I love Roddy White though. Sometimes I think you just can't cover that guy.

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                • Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
                  Matt needs a slot WR. Bad.

                  I love Roddy White though. Sometimes I think you just can't cover that guy.

                  Yup, Harry Douglas was supposed to be that guy this year. He looked horrendous coming back from his knee injury though. Looked really good last week (I know, Carolina) so maybe he can be a spark in the playoffs.


                  And now that Roddy's more intelligent football wise, he pretty much can't be covered. Has everything you look for in a WR. The only way you can slow him down is by rolling coverage his way all game like the Saints did.

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                  • Originally posted by ATLDirtyBirds View Post


                    3700 yards and 28 TDs. You're right, he's so far off from that!



                    Sorry, if you want to be Peyton Manning, you have to be blowing up passing records. He's not all that young or inexperienced.

                    If you want to be Tom Brady, get 4 rings.

                    He's got the stats of Tom Brady early in his career, and the rings of Manning early, lol.
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                    • Originally posted by yourfavestoner View Post
                      Eh, I think people on here vastly overrate the Falcons' offensive talent. Turner is good, but offers nothing in the passing game. Not only that, but he's a guy who does most of his damage late in the game when the defense is worn down. He's not much of an early game back.

                      Tony Gonzales is terrible these days. He's crafty and knows where to sit against zones, but he offers you nothing other than seven yard in routes.

                      Their receiving corp consists of Roddy and a bunch of nobodies. I honestly don't think anybody on their receiving corp would start for another NFL team.

                      I'm interested to see what teams do against them in the playoffs. This is the time of year when defensive coordinators take away your fastball and force you to rely on your other pitches (hate baseball, but the analogy works). Let's see how Ryan responds then.

                      Remember guys, the real NFL season is just now beginning. We'll have a much better read on Ryan, Flacco, and Sanchez in a month or so.


                      That's what I've been trying to say. I mean we can't act like he's playing on a ****** offense but it's not like he has guys all over the place who are making plays in the passing game for him. Should he throw deep just to say that he can and get more INT's? I don't see the point in that. He's winning games, and being smart with the football, there is no reason to just chunk the ball deep.



                      The Falcons do have some talent, but I don't understand how you can complain about Ryan's YPA, that's just nit picking. Ryan won a ton of games with his arm by going deep in the passing game when he needed to.





                      Originally posted by Scott Wright
                      I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.

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                      • Originally posted by LonghornsLegend View Post
                        The Falcons do have some talent, but I don't understand how you can complain about Ryan's YPA, that's just nit picking. Ryan won a ton of games with his arm by going deep in the passing game when he needed to.
                        Nitpicking? YPA and interception % are the two most important stats for a quarterback.


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                        • Originally posted by bearsfan_51 View Post
                          Nitpicking? YPA and interception % are the two most important stats for a quarterback.
                          I would say TD % and 3rd down completion % are more important than YPA, and the passer rating is more important than the sole YPA category.

                          The passer rating may be flawed, but it's more accurate as a whole than just the YPA average. Some guy may hit a lot of deep balls to raise that average, but misfire a lot and not convert often on 3rd downs.

                          Now, Matt Ryan is still great and he is the guy I voted for in this original poll way back.

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                          • Originally posted by yourfavestoner View Post
                            Eh, I think people on here vastly overrate the Falcons' offensive talent. Turner is good, but offers nothing in the passing game. Not only that, but he's a guy who does most of his damage late in the game when the defense is worn down. He's not much of an early game back.

                            Tony Gonzales is terrible these days. He's crafty and knows where to sit against zones, but he offers you nothing other than seven yard in routes.

                            Their receiving corp consists of Roddy and a bunch of nobodies.
                            Well, the Packers shut down Roddy, but Turner burned us for over 100, and Gonzalez beat us with a TD and an athletic (controversial) 4th down conversion.

                            Still, we held them to 20 in their place and that should have been good enough to beat them.

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                            • Originally posted by Draft King View Post
                              I would argue that Stafford and Sanchez both have a better supporting cast. Freeman has a worse #1 receiver, but other than that his supporting cast is better as well.
                              People tend to forget that although Freeman has Winslow, who never practices due to injury history of his knee, has worked with a bunch of rookies. Mike Williams is very talented and should become a star in this league, but he had his fair share of rookie drops this year as well. Benn didn't come on until the middle of the season and was a rookie as well. Then you have guys like Stovall and Spurlock, who did nothing there whole entire careers, showed up and made plays suddenly when Freeman was behind center? How about Preston Parker and Dez Briscoe? Both rookies and made plays. Stroughter is another guy who makes clutch plays when needed, but he missed like 8 or 9 games this year.

                              Freeman would consistently hit 6 or more different WRs a game this year. He spreads the ball out and has excellent vision. He's made has beens like Stovall and Spurlock look better than they actually are. Blount has really helped the offense as well. Also, Freeman has worked with 7 different O-line lineups this season as well. He is 22 years old and the sky is the limit for this kid. He could be top 5 some day.

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                              • Originally posted by bucfan12 View Post
                                People tend to forget that although Freeman has Winslow, who never practices due to injury history of his knee, has worked with a bunch of rookies.

                                I literally don't think that's possible. Bucs fans will never let you forget.





                                Originally posted by Scott Wright
                                I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.

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