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  • Its awesome because in one thread, Williams and Blount are the best players around and amazing and sexual and whatever other adjective Bucs fans use to describe them, and in this thread they are untalented rookies who Freeman carried all season. I enjoy the duality.
    Originally posted by Mr. Goosemahn
    The APS is strong in this one.
    Originally posted by killxswitch
    Tears for Fears is better than whatever it is you happen to be thinking about right now.

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    • Originally posted by A Perfect Score View Post
      Its awesome because in one thread, Williams and Blount are the best players around and amazing and sexual and whatever other adjective Bucs fans use to describe them, and in this thread they are untalented rookies who Freeman carried all season. I enjoy the duality.
      Since when have you seen a team, led by a 22 year old qb that had 12 rookies start this season, and the youngest team in the nfl was even a threat to win 10 games? Honestly, you don't have that much success in those situations.

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      • Originally posted by bucfan12 View Post
        Since when have you seen a team, led by a 22 year old qb that had 12 rookies start this season, and the youngest team in the nfl was even a threat to win 10 games? Honestly, you don't have that much success in those situations.
        You beat exactly 1 team with a winning record, and that was in Week 17 in a meaningless game. Dont get too up on yourself yet. The future looks bright for sure, but those 10 wins came against the NFL's bottom feeders.
        Originally posted by Mr. Goosemahn
        The APS is strong in this one.
        Originally posted by killxswitch
        Tears for Fears is better than whatever it is you happen to be thinking about right now.

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        • Originally posted by A Perfect Score View Post
          Its awesome because in one thread, Williams and Blount are the best players around and amazing and sexual and whatever other adjective Bucs fans use to describe them, and in this thread they are untalented rookies who Freeman carried all season. I enjoy the duality.

          Originally posted by ATLDirtyBirds View Post

          And I don't get this with Bucs fans. (Not necessarily you, just in general) Either Blount, Williams, K2, Penn are as great as you guys say they are or they are rookies and nothings that Freeman carried to greatness.
          I don't get it either.

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          • I don't understand this contradiction you guys are asserting. Young and talented don't have to be mutually exclusive of each other. Are they talented young guys? Absolutely. Is it easy to win with talent that young? Absolutely not.

            Why is Tom Brady winning the MVP this year? For winning with young talent.

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            • Originally posted by yourfavestoner View Post
              I don't understand this contradiction you guys are asserting. Young and talented don't have to be mutually exclusive of each other. Are they talented young guys? Absolutely. Is it easy to win with talent that young? Absolutely not.

              Why is Tom Brady winning the MVP this year? For winning with young talent.
              Well Id venture to say Brady is going to win it because his team went 14-2, he went an absurd number of passes without throwing a TD and had one of the most statistically impressive seasons we've seen in recent memory. He would win it whether his supporting cast was all 25 or all 45, I dont see where you're coming from on that one.

              The binary that exists is that in one thread, Mike Williams and Blount and Benn are whoever else are these untalented players who Freeman consistently puts on his back and carries. They use the age excuse repeatedly when it suits their argument and come back in a different thread and talk those same players up to be stalwarts. It isnt all Bucs fans, just the same new posters over and over. They came out of the woodwork this season, now they are everywhere.
              Originally posted by Mr. Goosemahn
              The APS is strong in this one.
              Originally posted by killxswitch
              Tears for Fears is better than whatever it is you happen to be thinking about right now.

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              • Originally posted by yourfavestoner View Post
                Eh, I think people on here vastly overrate the Falcons' offensive talent. Turner is good, but offers nothing in the passing game. Not only that, but he's a guy who does most of his damage late in the game when the defense is worn down. He's not much of an early game back.

                Tony Gonzales is terrible these days. He's crafty and knows where to sit against zones, but he offers you nothing other than seven yard in routes.

                Their receiving corp consists of Roddy and a bunch of nobodies. I honestly don't think anybody on their receiving corp would start for another NFL team.

                I'm interested to see what teams do against them in the playoffs. This is the time of year when defensive coordinators take away your fastball and force you to rely on your other pitches (hate baseball, but the analogy works). Let's see how Ryan responds then.

                Remember guys, the real NFL season is just now beginning. We'll have a much better read on Ryan, Flacco, and Sanchez in a month or so.

                We really do not have the talent in place, nor the desire really, to have an air it out aggressive passing attack. There is zero "yards after catch" in the Falcons offense so no wonder Ryan's YPA was very low. Hopefully the team adds a slot receiver, a dual-threat RB, an athletic TE or some combination of all of the above this off-season. Also when Mike Mularkey leaves for a HC position we can hire this man, who has a good working relationship with Thomas Dimitroff:



                But there is no reason to think that Ryan's 3,700 28/9 season in just his third year is his plateau.
                Last edited by Shiver; 01-05-2011, 02:22 PM.

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                • Originally posted by yourfavestoner View Post
                  I don't understand this contradiction you guys are asserting. Young and talented don't have to be mutually exclusive of each other. Are they talented young guys? Absolutely. Is it easy to win with talent that young? Absolutely not.

                  Why is Tom Brady winning the MVP this year? For winning with young talent.
                  I'm just using this for Bucs fans because I see them do it constantly, but I'm sure many others do it. It's rather simple.

                  In any thread about Freeman, it's about how he's led a group of collective nothings to greatness.

                  In any Bucs related thread it's, "OMG MIKE WILLIAMS, BLOUNT, K2!, BENN! HAVE YOU SEEN HOW GOOD PENN'S BEEN THIS YEAR?!?!?"

                  It would be like me in one thread saying "Oh man, Gonzo is still so great, he's a stud!" then coming in here and complaining about how he's rapidly declined and isn't nearly the weapon he once was.

                  You can be young and very good, but you can't be very good and something that's just a Freeman by-product.

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                  • Just saying, but how many games do the Bucs win without Josh Freeman this year? I say 2, both against Carolina and thats it.

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                    • Originally posted by bucfan12 View Post
                      Just saying, but how many games do the Bucs win without Josh Freeman this year? I say 2, both against Carolina and thats it.
                      Take a good QB off any team and see how that teams does. I'm not sure what you are arguing here.

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                      • 1. Freeman
                        2. Stafford
                        3. Flacco
                        4. Ryan
                        5. Bradford
                        6. Sanchez

                        This was tough. I could change 1-5 around by reading what others have to say about them.
                        1. So talented. I think his team has a drop off next year because of S.O.S. But he's on his way to becoming a very good, hopefully great (fingers crossed) QB
                        2. Again, so talented and surrounded by just as impressing players on that offense and now DLINE. I hope he can get over that injury bug. Just seeing his grit in the Lions/Browns game last year by winning the game after separating his shoulder was enough to crack the top 3.
                        3. Dude can throw and he plays on the best team of these 6. Best offense with the most weapons. He has an aging D, but Flac and Co. can carry this team deep into the playoffs.
                        4. Matty Ice is a winner. Period.
                        5. Only got a chance to see Bradford once this year. I hope he can put it all together and help the Rams rebuild. If they get him some weapons to work with he can easily clime my list.
                        6. I just dislike him and the team he plays for. But he has done well with what he's been asked to do. His defense can win him the first ring out of these guys.

                        Shout out to kalbears13. Best DC sig'er EVER!!!

                        Originally posted by CameronCropper
                        I've seen my fair share of nasty porn in my days, things that are much worse than Rex Ryan's videos, but something about knowing that Rex is behind the camera makes me feel incredibly uncomfortable.

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                        • All I am saying is, you all think that it is very easy to succeed as a 2nd year, 22 year QB being the leader of the youngest team in the league. Not many young teams are playoff contenders and Freeman was the reason they were in contention.

                          The Bucs are a talented team, but experience and injuries hurt them as well. You can't say Freeman didn't exceed expectations this year also. Many labeled him as a bust even after his rookie year and many also projected more int's than TD's before the season began.

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                          • Originally posted by bucfan12 View Post
                            you all think that it is very easy to succeed as a 2nd year, 22 year QB being the leader of the youngest team in the league.
                            I don't think anybody thinks that.

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                            • Originally posted by bucfan12 View Post
                              All I am saying is, you all think that it is very easy to succeed as a 2nd year, 22 year QB being the leader of the youngest team in the league. Not many young teams are playoff contenders and Freeman was the reason they were in contention.

                              The Bucs are a talented team, but experience and injuries hurt them as well. You can't say Freeman didn't exceed expectations this year also. Many labeled him as a bust even after his rookie year and many also projected more int's than TD's before the season began.
                              It's January 5th, no body cares about your non-play off team / QB. Come back after the draft!

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                              • Question. What if Sanchez beats the Colts? What do we make of him?

                                For the record, Sanchez has accomplished more than any of these guys, yet he's the consensus worst qb of the bunch, which I find very odd. I mean, come on, we're giving Stafford more credit and his signature game is a day when he blew out his shoulder and scored points vs a horrible Browns team. Wtf?

                                And if anyone here says that Sanchez just benefits from the team around him, then I question how much of the Jets you actually see. This Jets team is severely overrated talent wise.

                                Not to mention Sanchez has had plenty of signature come from behind wins of his own that nobody is acknowledging.

                                I honestly don't see much of a difference between Sanchez and Flacco's career path so far, yet we all want to burn Sanchez.

                                I think if he does well in the playoffs this year, then he can't be ignored any longer. He's not a scrub like everyone says he is. He's still ahead of schedule in his development.

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