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  • Young Guns: Bradford, Stafford, Sanchez, Freeman, Flacco, Ryan

    392
    Josh Freeman, Bucs
    15.05%
    59
    Matthew Stafford, Lions
    32.14%
    126
    Sam Bradford, Rams
    19.39%
    76
    Mark Sanchez, Jets
    4.85%
    19
    Joe Flacco, Ravens
    8.42%
    33
    Matt Ryan, Falcons
    20.15%
    79
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    (I looked thru a few pages here, and didn't see this already... I saw Cassell vs someone, and another smaller one, but not this)

    Who do you think will be the best of these 6 young guns, when all is said and done?

    All QBs who are in their first 3 years, they've all got some nice accomplishments already.

    Which one would you put your money on if you had to pick one guy to buy stock in now for the biggest long term gain?

    Now there are different ways to define "greatest" or "best".

    We've had those debates with guys like Montana vs Marino, Aikman vs Steve Young, or now with Brady vs Peyton Manning.

    Some guys think Super Bowl rings trump everything.
    Others think personal statistics, accuracy, passing records, MVPs, etc are more important than the rings, because often times the rings are won by the best team, not best passer.


    But I'm curious to see which of these young guns is loved the most here.





    And I am talking about real here... I mean in their real situation, with their real team. NOT talking about hypothetically starting teams from scratch.

    I think all 6 teams appear to have pretty bright futures so crappy team excuses shouldn't kill anyone chances here. I almost put Colt McCoy on here! Can't remember if Henne is in his 3rd year or 4th, but he misses the cut here anyway.

    Bradford has looked great for a rookie, has the Rams winning games. He's getting raves.
    Stafford has shown some great things, and with Calvin and Best there, some like their offense a lot going forward.
    Flacco, Matty Ice, Sanchez, and Freeman all have teams who are doing great, and their futures look bright. So I can see any of their fans making a good case for their guy.

    Who can make the best case?

  • bucfan12
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    Originally posted by LonghornsLegend View Post
    But what player in NFL history could you have not said this about? Do you think Jerry Rice would have the same career numbers if he hadn't played with 2 HOF QB's for the duration of his career? Elite WR's or TE's make a QB's numbers better, same goes for a QB making a WR's numbers better, or a better offensive line making a RB better, don't know how many times I've heard someone wonder how another RB would have done behind that Cowboys line in the mid 90's.


    So how would that be any different for any position or player that's ever played? I'm not doubting that Calvin didn't have a contribution to that type of season, but take any all-time great season in the record books, and take away the best contributing player as a result and you will see different numbers.


    As to Stafford this year, his footwork and mechanics are all off, he's got to go back to the drawing board. There was a point last night late in the 4th where it looked like he threw an INT but it hit the ground, but when they ran it back in slow motion, the check down RB was wide open underneath, the pressure wasn't bad, yet he was throwing the ball leaning backwards, his left plant foot was planting outside, and there wasn't even a lane to throw in. He's just playing backyard football and doing a bad job at it.


    All that said, the arguments Polamalu is trying to make here are ridiculous for the most part, and I actually like Freeman. But is Vincent Jackson not a huge reason for why he's looked better this year? Or are we only allowed to discredit the weapons Stafford has? Freeman racked up a bunch of stats a few years ago with a ridiculously weak schedule and came crashing back to earth last year, he's lost weight, got a #1 WR this year and looks much better, but he's still not a better QB then Stafford.
    Ehh you can look at things that way sure. But no one is Peyton Manning who can pretty much make any wr look great.

    Calvin Johnson is a freak of nature and by far best WR in the NFL.

    I'm highly critical of Freeman and his play but I did say he had no weapons. I mean sure in 2010 you argue te schedule but look what he had to play with. Mike Williams was a rookie Wr and good #2. Very good #2. Arrellious "has Benn" is no good. He had a bunch of rookies to trow too and kellen Winslow who has a bum knee.

    Freeman has weapons this year and as I am liking what I'm seeing so far is some better progressions but I'm still not 100% sold until I see more consistency. It's going to take a lot more performances to forget that Dallas debacle and 1st half Washington performance.

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  • LonghornsLegend
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    Originally posted by soybean
    In contrast isn't the reverse argument that he would be good no matter who his weapons are just as lazy? No doubt he would still be a good qb but I highly doubt he would have approached or even come close to 5000 40+ tds without Calvin.

    right now I would put him on the same level as jay cutler.
    But what player in NFL history could you have not said this about? Do you think Jerry Rice would have the same career numbers if he hadn't played with 2 HOF QB's for the duration of his career? Elite WR's or TE's make a QB's numbers better, same goes for a QB making a WR's numbers better, or a better offensive line making a RB better, don't know how many times I've heard someone wonder how another RB would have done behind that Cowboys line in the mid 90's.


    So how would that be any different for any position or player that's ever played? I'm not doubting that Calvin didn't have a contribution to that type of season, but take any all-time great season in the record books, and take away the best contributing player as a result and you will see different numbers.


    As to Stafford this year, his footwork and mechanics are all off, he's got to go back to the drawing board. There was a point last night late in the 4th where it looked like he threw an INT but it hit the ground, but when they ran it back in slow motion, the check down RB was wide open underneath, the pressure wasn't bad, yet he was throwing the ball leaning backwards, his left plant foot was planting outside, and there wasn't even a lane to throw in. He's just playing backyard football and doing a bad job at it.


    All that said, the arguments Polamalu is trying to make here are ridiculous for the most part, and I actually like Freeman. But is Vincent Jackson not a huge reason for why he's looked better this year? Or are we only allowed to discredit the weapons Stafford has? Freeman racked up a bunch of stats a few years ago with a ridiculously weak schedule and came crashing back to earth last year, he's lost weight, got a #1 WR this year and looks much better, but he's still not a better QB then Stafford.

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  • soybean
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    I just don't know about Flacco anymore. Some games he's capable of looking like a top 7 qb out there and then other games he looks painfully mediocre or below average.

    Against a good defense like today, he completely **** the bed. 48 percent completion qbr of .3

    But not only that he just showed that the ravens are no match for the texans this year.

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  • J-Mike88
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    Stafford is 3-9 throwing it to Megatron today.... as of 1:59 to go in this game at Philly.

    Lions pulled out a lot of these kinda games last year. He's got faith in himself that's for sure.

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  • bucfan12
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    ^^IDK. If that's the case, maybe he's not very good in terms of seeing the field and going through progressions. That will hinder any QB.

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  • Complex
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    Originally posted by soybean View Post
    Alright seriously... what the **** is up with Stafford?
    He isn't lobbing it up to Megatron enough anymore, well I only saw one lions game this year so I don't know.

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  • brat316
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    To reliant on 1 WR?
    one dimensional team?
    Always looking for the big play?

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  • soybean
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    Alright seriously... what the **** is up with Stafford?

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  • NY+Giants=NYG
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    Originally posted by Giantsfan1080 View Post
    Yes like Welker.
    All from my favorite system then. The Air Raid! I couldn't remember if Danny A. was Texas Tech or UT. I knew Welker was a Air Raid guy, just like Crabtree. I hope Danny A continues to do well.

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  • Giantsfan1080
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    Originally posted by NY+Giants=NYG View Post
    Danny Amendola has great this year so far. He went to Texas Tech right?
    Yes like Welker.

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  • NY+Giants=NYG
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    Danny Amendola has great this year so far. He went to Texas Tech right?

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  • Brothgar
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    Originally posted by LonghornsLegend View Post
    Probably my favorite lazy argument off of DC. "Stafford wouldn't be so good without Calvin"....."Sam Bradford would be so much better if you gave him some weapons".
    Quoted for truth. Stafford usually hits at least 5 different receivers a game so its not all Calvin. Don't get me wrong the pair does make each other better but its not at all one sided. As for Bradford I think he would be more productive with better WRs but it looks like he is on his way to a decent year anyway.

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  • LonghornsLegend
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    Originally posted by Brothgar View Post
    Its funny every year it is someone different. You say that Sanchez would be Stafford if he had Megatron but you don't give the same leeway with Bradford who has worse WRs.
    Probably my favorite lazy argument off of DC. "Stafford wouldn't be so good without Calvin"....."Sam Bradford would be so much better if you gave him some weapons".

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  • killxswitch
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    I have to admit Flacco is finally looking like a real franchise QB. Maybe it was Cameron's fault.

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