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  • Originally posted by NotRickJames View Post
    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...in-the-saddle/

    Terrible move. He's had five years, and there's a reason he lost his job in the first place.

    David Carr gives them the best chance to win, straight - I know he basically cost them the Carolina game but give him a full week of prep.....Alex Smith is a clown.....
    I hate to be rude but you have no idea what you are talking about. Alex Smith has only had 47 starts, less than 3 years, and a lot more of those came in his rookie year in a situation where he had no chance of success or when he was injured. If you take out his rookie year and the games when he played with a separated shoulder he has 44 TD/38 INT, a 60% completion percentage, and a passer rating of 78 in 36 games.

    Definitely not great numbers by any means but factor in the fact that he is barely allowed to take chances and the play it safe mentality that a QB just has to manage the game has been drilled into his head since he was drafted and you can't expect much more.

    And the reason that he lost his job is because Singletary was trying to save his own ass by scapegoating Alex Smith as the problem with the offense, just like he did earlier with Jimmy Raye and like he is now doing with Troy Smith. But, even with all of the changes, the offense looks basically the same as it has all year (maybe even worse). You know what the constant was during all of it? Singletary handcuffing the OC and QB.

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    • Originally posted by yourfavestoner View Post
      Eh, once there's a rookie wage scale, a quarterback bust won't hurt a team so bad. If that's the case, you have to roll the dice with Mallett or Newton.
      As much as fans like a knee jerk reaction (OMG, HE SUXORZ, SHOULD'VE DRAFTED ___________), I highly doubt a NFL front office will cut a guy simply because he doesn't perform in his 1st year. It's the waiting, development, and realizing that the player is a bust that hurts a franchise since it takes at least 3 seasons. Drafting in the 1st won't be as much about monetary value if there is a wage scale, but the value to a franchise.

      Look at the NHL. Players are drafted and given around 5 years to prove themselves. The can't-miss types are usually drafted in the 1st round. There's a rookie salary cap, so it doesn't hurt money wise, but it hurts in the sense that a different, and possibly better player could have been taken with the same pick. 5 years down the road, that can really hurt a team when other players from the same draft class are making an impact.

      Originally posted by Halsey View Post
      49ers fans need to wake up. You should be screaming for your team to aggressively pursue the best QB they can get. The 49ers have won 5 Super Bowls. Look at one thing all 5 of the Super Bowls had in common for the 49ers: franchise QBs. Settling for a QB like Troy Smith will just mean more years of losing in San Fran.
      Most of us on the here had been clamoring for tanking the season and taking Luck after losing to Carolina...Then the team played their way out of a 1st overall pick.

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      • Originally posted by abaddon41_80 View Post
        I hate to be rude but you have no idea what you are talking about. Alex Smith has only had 47 starts, less than 3 years, and a lot more of those came in his rookie year in a situation where he had no chance of success or when he was injured. If you take out his rookie year and the games when he played with a separated shoulder he has 44 TD/38 INT, a 60% completion percentage, and a passer rating of 78 in 36 games.

        Definitely not great numbers by any means but factor in the fact that he is barely allowed to take chances and the play it safe mentality that a QB just has to manage the game has been drilled into his head since he was drafted and you can't expect much more.

        And the reason that he lost his job is because Singletary was trying to save his own ass by scapegoating Alex Smith as the problem with the offense, just like he did earlier with Jimmy Raye and like he is now doing with Troy Smith. But, even with all of the changes, the offense looks basically the same as it has all year (maybe even worse). You know what the constant was during all of it? Singletary handcuffing the OC and QB.
        Huh? He's made starts in five years. The least amount of starts he's made in a season is seven (excluding 2008 when he didn't play at all).

        Fact is, you guys won one game with Alex Smith starting - and that was against the Raiders where nothing was working for us offensively. Smith didn't have to do much. You're 3-2 with Troy Smith at the helm - going back to the formula earlier in the year doesn't make much sense.
        Just play me, baby

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        • Dude. Troy Smith is completing 38.9% on 3rd down.

          38.9%

          He is Sabotaging whatever offensive development we can get get out of this dead weight season before we change the staff again.

          Alex Smith lets us at least limp to the finish line.

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          • Originally posted by abaddon41_80 View Post
            I hate to be rude but you have no idea what you are talking about. Alex Smith has only had 47 starts, less than 3 years, and a lot more of those came in his rookie year in a situation where he had no chance of success or when he was injured. If you take out his rookie year and the games when he played with a separated shoulder he has 44 TD/38 INT, a 60% completion percentage, and a passer rating of 78 in 36 games.

            Definitely not great numbers by any means but factor in the fact that he is barely allowed to take chances and the play it safe mentality that a QB just has to manage the game has been drilled into his head since he was drafted and you can't expect much more.

            And the reason that he lost his job is because Singletary was trying to save his own ass by scapegoating Alex Smith as the problem with the offense, just like he did earlier with Jimmy Raye and like he is now doing with Troy Smith. But, even with all of the changes, the offense looks basically the same as it has all year (maybe even worse). You know what the constant was during all of it? Singletary handcuffing the OC and QB.
            It isn't his fault!

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            • Originally posted by NotRickJames View Post
              Huh? He's made starts in five years. The least amount of starts he's made in a season is seven (excluding 2008 when he didn't play at all).

              Fact is, you guys won one game with Alex Smith starting - and that was against the Raiders where nothing was working for us offensively. Smith didn't have to do much. You're 3-2 with Troy Smith at the helm - going back to the formula earlier in the year doesn't make much sense.
              Just because he has made starts in five years it doesn't mean he has had 5 years to show what he can do. He has had exactly 47 starts to show what he can do and, like I said, 7 of those came his rookie year on one of the worst teams in the history of the NFL and 3 more came with a separated shoulder.

              That is not even the point, though. The point is that Troy Smith has been godawful for 3 straight weeks, as bad as Alex Smith was his rookie year or when he played with a separated shoulder, and it is pretty clear now that Alex is the better QB. No one expects Alex Smith to suddenly turn it around and play like a Pro Bowler but the fact of the matter is that he is better than Troy Smith.


              Troy's record is very misleading as well. He lucked into wins against Denver and St. Louis and played awful against Arizona but was carried by a great running game and playing Arizona. The last two weeks he has played as bad as I have ever seen a QB play, way worse than Alex has played all year. Singletary may be stupid but even he can see that and he knows that if he does not somehow make the playoffs then he is gone. Alex Smith is currently the best QB on the 49ers roster, as sad as that may be, so Singletary is turning to him.

              Originally posted by yourfavestoner View Post
              It isn't his fault!
              Part of it is definitely his fault but the 49ers are the main reason. They have shown exactly how not to develop a young QB. Throw a 21 year old rookie into the fire clearly before he is ready, force him to play in an offense that doesn't suit his style of play at all, give him a new OC and playbook to learn at least once every year, convince him that all a QB needs to do is manage games and to never take chances, question his toughness, throw him under the bus when he has a serious injury, bring in competition when he is recovering from said injury, question his leadership. No QB could have done well in Alex Smith's situation.
              Last edited by abaddon41_80; 12-08-2010, 09:44 AM.

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              • SO the 49ers are going to draft a new Qb?

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                • So if Troy Smith won the Heisman once upon a time, and he basically sucks in the NFL, does that mean that Cam Newton is going to inevitably suck in the NFL?

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                  • Originally posted by Morton View Post
                    So if Troy Smith won the Heisman once upon a time, and he basically sucks in the NFL, does that mean that Cam Newton is going to inevitably suck in the NFL?
                    this is the fate for Heisman winners.

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                    • Originally posted by NotRickJames View Post
                      http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...in-the-saddle/

                      Terrible move. He's had five years, and there's a reason he lost his job in the first place.

                      David Carr gives them the best chance to win, straight - I know he basically cost them the Carolina game but give him a full week of prep.....Alex Smith is a clown.....
                      That's the worst idea I have ever heard Carr is worthless at this point in his career.
                      Originally posted by 49erNation85
                      I dunno even half of those guys why did we sign them jeez.

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                      • Originally posted by Morton
                        So if Troy Smith won the Heisman once upon a time, and he basically sucks in the NFL, does that mean that Cam Newton is going to inevitably suck in the NFL?
                        Originally posted by bhaarat316 View Post
                        this is the fate for Heisman winners.
                        Hey guys, what's up.

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                        • Not much...just arguing about Troy Smith. Got any hot dogs?

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