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    The Patriots, Jets, Falcons, and Eagles are contenders
    I think these are the teams that could win the Super Bowl. I dont think anyone else could beat one of these teams in the playoffs...

    Lurking: Steelers, Bears, Packers, Giants, San Diego, Ravens
    Except maybe one of these guys. All these guys are good but have some serious weaknesses. I think the Bears and their Oline is the biggest weakness among this group, but theyve also beaten the Eagles and the Packers but got beat up by the Giants. They all play good defense but the Packers cant run, the Bears can block, and the Giants have some issues with their punting game and turnovers, the Chargers are doing their normal thing of good late in the year but i dont think they could go to ny or ne and win a game, not built for it so idk if i can take them seriously. The Steelers: i like them but they got absolutely clocked by the Pats and didnt look like they belonged in that game, then were a drop away from losing to the Bills, a team they have to beat. So we'll see, but theyre built to win in the playoffs...The Ravens, idk, idk if i trust Flacco in a big game in the playoffs, they need to start running a lot more and prove the D can get it done a little more before im buying in.

    The Cowboys, Vikings, Bills, Browns, and Rams are spoilers
    Bad teams that could screw up some teams shot at the playoffs because they have so much fight. Bills almost threw a screw ball into the Steelers playoff chances, Browns already beat the Pats, these teams are just not to be overlooked.

    The 'Shut off the tv they suck so bad' teams: Cards, 9ers, Bengals
    really, they suck.

    Pretenders: Colts, Jags, whoever comes out of the NFC west, Texans (obviously), Titans on their third string QB
    Yeah not feeling the AFC south this year. Jags arent going anywhere i have no faith in Garrard to get it done. Texans D cant stop the pass, no way they can go up north and beat one of the good teams listed before. Titans: Rusty Smith.

    Yeah, the Colts are Pretenders
    Seriously.

    This isnt about Manning like the other thread, this is about the whole team.

    They just suck. This is the worst Colts team we've seen in a decade or more easily. Ive thought this for a few weeks but wanted to see how they handled the two contenders in a row and they didnt handle any of it at all. Peyton has looked off since Clark went down, his ability to play under pressure that hed finally developed over the last couple seasons is vanishing behind that middle school offensive line and hes forcing throws and looking confused for the first time in years. If hes not on his A game this team is a rollover win for most NFL opponents as the Chargers showed.

    The Colts remaining schedule is:

    @Titans
    Jags
    @Raiders
    Titans

    If they split with the Titans (CJ is gunna be pissed after his 5 rush yards so he'll be looking to beast) then I think the Jags game could swing and I dont think they beat the Raiders, they run the ball very well with McFadden and the Colts D is absolutely atrocious trying to stop the run.

    Even if they do make the playoffs (pretty big if), they arent going anywhere this year, they just really arent any good.



    Couple of quick thoughts....

    Well hes definitely not John Wayne...
    Can we PLEASE end the 'Reggie Wayne is an elite weapon' bull****? The dude has been very average to terrible for over a year now, its time everyone else noticed this and not just me. Idc what his numbers say, screw stats theyre worthless, i trust what i see and what i see is he gets no seperation of any kind (weddle is an average safety and he locked him down on that INT). Hes not a number 1, hes not a 'deep threat' with his obvious lack of speed and ability to seperate, his routes have been sloppy this year with a lot of rounded cuts, and hes dropping passes left and right.

    Carson Palmer Sucks
    Hes terrible, he looks like his passion for the game is gone. He needs a change of scenery in the worst way and even then idk i think he might be done. I know i know: 'its the coaching!' 'Rogue recievers!' 'Hes still good its not his fault!' Shut up. He sucks.

    Matt Ryan is Tom Brady 2.0
    I compared them when he was coming out but damn hes a freaking exact replica of the man. I said early in the year that Orton was playing better than Ryan. I was wrong. My bad Halsey.

    Cortland Finnegan looks like a jack***
    Idk much about him, but he looks like such a douche with the hair and smile after that fight. what are you smilin about, your team is losing and you just got thrown around? Just sayin.



    Breaking down the contenders
    The Pats:
    Brady? Check. Belly? Check. Good defense thats getting better, solid efficient offense with Brady at the healm, and my boy Woodhead on the field sometimes, they look like theyre gunna be a very tough team to beat in January.

    The Jets: I love this team. Great D that can do it all and do it well, powerful offense and QB whos played well when hes needed to and did last year in the playoffs too. If Sanchez keeps it together theyre the team to beat.

    The Falcons: A D thats just good enough with a run the ball philosophy and a Qb who can come through when they need it. Team to beat in the NFC. I wasnt on board until yesterday but its clear im late to the show and they deserve the credit.

    The Eagles: Theyre good, but if they have to head to chicago or GB in January they could be in trouble. If theyre playing indoor on the turf in say Atlanta? watch out theyve got some serious speed. The Falcons are great at home, the eagles are built to play indoors much more than to power run in the outside and cold, thatd be a hell of a game.

    My rankings:
    Jets
    Pats/Falcons

    Eagles

    Sorry for the long*** post.
    Last edited by hockey619; 11-29-2010, 10:33 AM.
    Originally posted by Thumper/JBCX/Bixby
    Orton will never be in the same class as the Drew Brees or the Peyton Mannings or the Tom Bradys of the world. Kevin Kolb has the potential to be that kind of player.

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    I disagree that Wayne doesn't get separation. It's not like Manning is throwing to him when he's covered all the time.

    Yes, he's not really a deep threat, but he is an excellent route runner.

    His cuts are very quick and precise.

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    • #3
      Eagles = Most overrated team in football.

      Giants = Most underrated team in football.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by SenorGato View Post
        Eagles = Most overrated team in football.

        Giants = Most underrated team in football.
        Possibly... but Eagles > Giants, at least right now.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by SenorGato View Post
          Eagles = Most overrated team in football.

          Giants = Most underrated team in football.
          They're so underrated that they lost to the most overrated team in football.

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          • #6
            As long as Rusty Smith is the QB, the Titans won't be competitive.

            If Kerry Collins heals and comes back, then I think they can be competitive.

            But without VY, the Titans aren't a Playoff contender. I wouldn't even put them as a pretender because they shouldn't even be in the conversation.
            Still Team The Ke$ha!!!

            [@TDWinstead]
            Originally posted by MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
            Damn Ke$ha is sexy.

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            • #7
              Normally I would agree that the Titans are dead without VY. The division is really struggling so Collins could lead the team to the division title. 4 of the last 5 are against division opponents.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by SenorGato View Post
                Eagles = Most overrated team in football.

                Giants = Most underrated team in football.
                I don't know if we are under rated, but we are very hurt..They shouldn't bother with an injury list with us. Just name the players that are playing and assume the rest are out.

                We are signing Wrs off the street, lol. And the system we run is complex based on a lot of choice and option routes, so that what makes our lack of WRs even worse.

                It would be nice if we can get some OL back too.. We have a 3rd string LT, a LG who barely plays, and our normal LG is playing center. It's like musical offensive line men. Only Snee and McKenzie are at their real positions.

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                • #9
                  c'mon with an 8-3 record and actually playing way below standard offensively (partially due to injuries) Id say that the saints are at least lurking


                  Saints 2014 draft wish list:
                  - No pass rusher till the fourth round (or preferably at all)
                  - Corner or Wideout in the first
                  - No reaching
                  - No Kelvin Benjamin

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by hockey619 View Post
                    The Patriots, Jets, Falcons, and Eagles are contenders
                    I think these are the teams that could win the Super Bowl. I dont think anyone else could beat one of these teams in the playoffs...

                    Lurking: Steelers, Bears, Packers, Giants, San Diego, Ravens
                    Except maybe one of these guys. All these guys are good but have some serious weaknesses. I think the Bears and their Oline is the biggest weakness among this group, but theyve also beaten the Eagles and the Packers but got beat up by the Giants. They all play good defense but the Packers cant run, the Bears can block, and the Giants have some issues with their punting game and turnovers, the Chargers are doing their normal thing of good late in the year but i dont think they could go to ny or ne and win a game, not built for it so idk if i can take them seriously. The Steelers: i like them but they got absolutely clocked by the Pats and didnt look like they belonged in that game, then were a drop away from losing to the Bills, a team they have to beat. So we'll see, but theyre built to win in the playoffs...The Ravens, idk, idk if i trust Flacco in a big game in the playoffs, they need to start running a lot more and prove the D can get it done a little more before im buying in.

                    The Cowboys, Vikings, Bills, Browns, and Rams are spoilers
                    Bad teams that could screw up some teams shot at the playoffs because they have so much fight. Bills almost threw a screw ball into the Steelers playoff chances, Browns already beat the Pats, these teams are just not to be overlooked.

                    The 'Shut off the tv they suck so bad' teams: Cards, 9ers, Bengals
                    really, they suck.

                    Pretenders: Colts, Jags, whoever comes out of the NFC west, Texans (obviously), Titans on their third string QB
                    Yeah not feeling the AFC south this year. Jags arent going anywhere i have no faith in Garrard to get it done. Texans D cant stop the pass, no way they can go up north and beat one of the good teams listed before. Titans: Rusty Smith.

                    Yeah, the Colts are Pretenders
                    Seriously.

                    This isnt about Manning like the other thread, this is about the whole team.

                    They just suck. This is the worst Colts team we've seen in a decade or more easily. Ive thought this for a few weeks but wanted to see how they handled the two contenders in a row and they didnt handle any of it at all. Peyton has looked off since Clark went down, his ability to play under pressure that hed finally developed over the last couple seasons is vanishing behind that middle school offensive line and hes forcing throws and looking confused for the first time in years. If hes not on his A game this team is a rollover win for most NFL opponents as the Chargers showed.

                    The Colts remaining schedule is:

                    @Titans
                    Jags
                    @Raiders
                    Titans

                    If they split with the Titans (CJ is gunna be pissed after his 5 rush yards so he'll be looking to beast) then I think the Jags game could swing and I dont think they beat the Raiders, they run the ball very well with McFadden and the Colts D is absolutely atrocious trying to stop the run.

                    Even if they do make the playoffs (pretty big if), they arent going anywhere this year, they just really arent any good.



                    Couple of quick thoughts....

                    Well hes definitely not John Wayne...
                    Can we PLEASE end the 'Reggie Wayne is an elite weapon' bull****? The dude has been very average to terrible for over a year now, its time everyone else noticed this and not just me. Idc what his numbers say, screw stats theyre worthless, i trust what i see and what i see is he gets no seperation of any kind (weddle is an average safety and he locked him down on that INT). Hes not a number 1, hes not a 'deep threat' with his obvious lack of speed and ability to seperate, his routes have been sloppy this year with a lot of rounded cuts, and hes dropping passes left and right.

                    Carson Palmer Sucks
                    Hes terrible, he looks like his passion for the game is gone. He needs a change of scenery in the worst way and even then idk i think he might be done. I know i know: 'its the coaching!' 'Rogue recievers!' 'Hes still good its not his fault!' Shut up. He sucks.

                    Matt Ryan is Tom Brady 2.0
                    I compared them when he was coming out but damn hes a freaking exact replica of the man. I said early in the year that Orton was playing better than Ryan. I was wrong. My bad Halsey.

                    Cortland Finnegan looks like a jack***
                    Idk much about him, but he looks like such a douche with the hair and smile after that fight. what are you smilin about, your team is losing and you just got thrown around? Just sayin.



                    Breaking down the contenders
                    The Pats:
                    Brady? Check. Belly? Check. Good defense thats getting better, solid efficient offense with Brady at the healm, and my boy Woodhead on the field sometimes, they look like theyre gunna be a very tough team to beat in January.

                    The Jets: I love this team. Great D that can do it all and do it well, powerful offense and QB whos played well when hes needed to and did last year in the playoffs too. If Sanchez keeps it together theyre the team to beat.

                    The Falcons: A D thats just good enough with a run the ball philosophy and a Qb who can come through when they need it. Team to beat in the NFC. I wasnt on board until yesterday but its clear im late to the show and they deserve the credit.

                    The Eagles: Theyre good, but if they have to head to chicago or GB in January they could be in trouble. If theyre playing indoor on the turf in say Atlanta? watch out theyve got some serious speed. The Falcons are great at home, the eagles are built to play indoors much more than to power run in the outside and cold, thatd be a hell of a game.

                    My rankings:
                    Jets
                    Pats/Falcons

                    Eagles

                    Sorry for the long*** post.

                    Hes not quite there yet, obviously hes still very young but the one thing that sets them apart is Brady's ability to throw the deep ball. Ryan's arm isnt what Brady's is right now and hopefully he cant get to that point, aside from that I agree. Footwork, decision making, Cool under pressure and GW drives.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by TitanHope View Post
                      As long as Rusty Smith is the QB, the Titans won't be competitive.

                      If Kerry Collins heals and comes back, then I think they can be competitive.

                      But without VY, the Titans aren't a Playoff contender. I wouldn't even put them as a pretender because they shouldn't even be in the conversation.
                      Won't they rally around Heimerdinger & win? Maybe not.

                      But that's the truth coming from a Titans fan, they could marginally win (most of the time) with a healthy VY & that means mentally & physically & good luck on getting both of those, I think he's done in Tennessee. They can maybe win with Collins at the very dead end (last 5%) of his career, wll need a few breaks to do it.

                      RE: Finnegan: what are you smilin about, your team is losing and you just got thrown around?
                      He smiled b/c he got the best (arguably) WR in the NFL thrown out of the game, don't think that wasn't deliberate b/c it was -- he enjoys the peer status in the locker room of being a provocative punk, makes him a "Team Guy," Raiders used to do that **** all the time. His fine is badge of honor on a team that appears to value dirty players, remember what a prick Haynesworth was as a Titan? Ask Andre Gurode.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by MaxV View Post
                        I disagree that Wayne doesn't get separation. It's not like Manning is throwing to him when he's covered all the time.

                        Yes, he's not really a deep threat, but he is an excellent route runner.

                        His cuts are very quick and precise.
                        Eh, i guess we'll just have to disaggree then. Everytime ive seen him over the last year plus hes looked average at absolute best.

                        Originally posted by Boss+Manning=Banning View Post
                        I don't know if we are under rated, but we are very hurt..They shouldn't bother with an injury list with us. Just name the players that are playing and assume the rest are out.

                        We are signing Wrs off the street, lol. And the system we run is complex based on a lot of choice and option routes, so that what makes our lack of WRs even worse.

                        It would be nice if we can get some OL back too.. We have a 3rd string LT, a LG who barely plays, and our normal LG is playing center. It's like musical offensive line men. Only Snee and McKenzie are at their real positions.
                        To you and the guy who said Eagles are overrated/Giants underrated:

                        Im a giants guy, but this giants team is a total enigma to me.

                        They came out and lost to the Eagles and got smoked by the colts, lost to dallas, but shut down houston and beasted the same Dallas team the first time (dominated the game, score was closer than the game) while also beating the living hell out jay cutler. If the recievers would hold onto the ball and stop creating so many ints i think theyre for real but you just never know who is gunna show up and how perry is gunna call the game for that D. You either get the little giants or The New York Giants, the latter of which was one of the best teams in the league for a while and still has the parts to be hell to play against in the playoffs. We're just waiting to see which D we really have and if the turnovers can stop.

                        Originally posted by wicket View Post
                        c'mon with an 8-3 record and actually playing way below standard offensively (partially due to injuries) Id say that the saints are at least lurking
                        DAMNIT, ****!!!

                        i forgot to put them in the thing ugh i knew i forgot someone:
                        Idk if i like them quite yet, they have no running game and i think the falcons are a much more complete team I cant imagine them beating them under any circumstances really. I dont think they could play with the jets or pats and maybe hang with the eagles (who i think are the lower end of elite teams) in the playoffs.

                        They may make some noise (definitely lurking, my bad) but i dont see it. No run game, gunna have to go into atlanta or chicago/GB and theyre not built to play in a game like that. They might take down the Eagles, but the eagles have the better d and run game and better passing game at this point.

                        Originally posted by dunagan15 View Post
                        Hes not quite there yet, obviously hes still very young but the one thing that sets them apart is Brady's ability to throw the deep ball. Ryan's arm isnt what Brady's is right now and hopefully he cant get to that point, aside from that I agree. Footwork, decision making, Cool under pressure and GW drives.
                        Brady worked on his arm and made it much better over the years. I think Ryan can do the same. Its not just the late drives im impressed with, its the calmness, you just know hes got his **** together. Him vs josh freeman is gunna be fun to watch for the next decade, division is looking like it could get very tough for a long time.
                        Originally posted by Thumper/JBCX/Bixby
                        Orton will never be in the same class as the Drew Brees or the Peyton Mannings or the Tom Bradys of the world. Kevin Kolb has the potential to be that kind of player.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by TitanHope View Post
                          As long as Rusty Smith is the QB, the Titans won't be competitive.

                          If Kerry Collins heals and comes back, then I think they can be competitive.

                          But without VY, the Titans aren't a Playoff contender. I wouldn't even put them as a pretender because they shouldn't even be in the conversation.
                          This is basically what i meant. Their record says theyre in it (even with a win this coming weekend against indy then theyre right there in the thick of things) but lets face it theyre not winning a super bowl and i think that even if Kerry comes back. Sorry but as a Giants fan i can say kerry is one of my most hated nfl guys, dude just has a way of getting you so close and then crushing you. And this isnt the same oline that helped CJ to 2k, i said before the season they wouldnt be as good and without him getting yards on the ground theyre going no where in a hurry.

                          Originally posted by LizardState View Post
                          Won't they rally around Heimerdinger & win? Maybe not.

                          But that's the truth coming from a Titans fan, they could marginally win (most of the time) with a healthy VY & that means mentally & physically & good luck on getting both of those, I think he's done in Tennessee. They can maybe win with Collins at the very dead end (last 5%) of his career, wll need a few breaks to do it.



                          He smiled b/c he got the best (arguably) WR in the NFL thrown out of the game, don't think that wasn't deliberate b/c it was -- he enjoys the peer status in the locker room of being a provocative punk, makes him a "Team Guy," Raiders used to do that **** all the time. His fine is badge of honor on a team that appears to value dirty players, remember what a prick Haynesworth was as a Titan? Ask Andre Gurode.
                          Ahhhhh so hes a dbag, a sean avery type, gotcha. Yeah he got AJ thrown out....when he was already losing 17-0.....and had already got burned for a TD where AJ ran away from him......and then he got tossed around like a child on national television.....he really won that battle.

                          Sorry, but i dont like guys who talk a good game and talk crap and all that noise. I think if youre good you dont have to tell people, they already know from someone else.
                          Originally posted by Thumper/JBCX/Bixby
                          Orton will never be in the same class as the Drew Brees or the Peyton Mannings or the Tom Bradys of the world. Kevin Kolb has the potential to be that kind of player.

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                          • #14
                            I'd say my surprise team will be the Ravens. If they get their ground game going again, they can beat anyone at anywhere.
                            **** her in da *****!

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                            • #15
                              I'm a firm believer that no one has beat the Packers this year but themselves. Am I being a homer here? I don't know, maybe? But, has anyone non biased watched every Packers' loss?

                              Sure, you could say that about every team and partially get away with it but having watched every Green Bay game this year, it's pretty obvious. We don't run the ball with our power back on short downs. We abandon our run game too quickly and force it in the play call to try to set something up down the line. Everything seemed out of place in Atlanta. Halfway through the second quarter, I'm sure every Packers' fan had the same feeling, and it wasn't a good one. We see how we play when we lose and it shows early and often.
                              Last edited by tjsunstein; 11-30-2010, 02:18 AM.

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