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  • #61
    Originally posted by bearfan View Post
    Peppers has no business being in the discussion? Have you watched a Bears game? The guy may not have the stats, but his presence is undeniable. He is a huge difference maker, and makes the whole defense better by just him being on the field. In my opinion, the Bears defense this year is good because of him.
    Maybe but that doesn't diminish what the other DEs have done. And yeah, I like Peppers and I have seen him play against us. I thought he was the best player on the field, constantly getting in the backfield. I even said after, if it wasn't Bradshaw in the backfield, Jacobs would have kept getting tackled for a loss. However, the other guys have equally had great seasons. I like Peppers, but the other guys are doing the same, and still getting their numbers.

    But anyways, it's been a good debate. I gotta go for a xmas party. Take care of yourself and have a great weekend buddy.

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    • #62
      He has the stats too. It's a silly argument. A 2 sack difference is easily negated by the fact that he's constantly double-teamed and is such a presence in the run game.


      Nobody cares about your stupid fantasy team.

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      • #63
        there is really someone saying peppers shouldnt be in the the Pro bowl?

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Boss+Manning=Banning View Post
          Oh ok. I am just going by stats since I don't have the NFL ticket. I don't think brian U should make it. Peppers shouldn't even be in the discussion in my opinion.


          Please, please, please go back and watch a few Bears games and then rethink you're "opinion" on the matter.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Boss+Manning=Banning View Post
            I agree. I don't think realistically there will be. But when you have the 2nd best defense in the NFL, I would think the defense should have a bunch. I doubt offensively we will.
            Too bad you don't. Packers, Bears, and Saints are better than the Giants in the NFC alone.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by bearsfan_51 View Post
              Most of the people on this board know who 7th round draft picks are. We're not exactly a great sample.
              The best RB in the NFL in the moment was a 7th round pick.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by GB12 View Post
                Too bad you don't. Packers, Bears, and Saints are better than the Giants in the NFC alone.
                There are hidden yards and hidden points so I always hate using numbers to quantify a defense personally. It's why in football you need the test more than what the numbers say. When there are no dominant defenses it's tough to say who's actually better.
                #Chop


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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Boss+Manning=Banning View Post
                  Of course it's going by stats. Peppers? What has he done that's rivaled the other DEs? He should not even be in the talk for pro bowl. Fletcher has had every bit as good as Brian U. It's not absurd to have him in there. He is ALWAYS been underrated in the NFL. However, saying that I am not surprised Brian U is there.

                  It says we have the 2nd best defense in the NFL behind the Chargers. You guys are after us.. barely.

                  And no, I am no homer I am going based on stats. I can back up my choices. It's not like I picked JG over Brian U. So let's no go crazy here.
                  Peppers not only deserves to be in the Pro Bowl, he deserves legitimate DPOTY consideration. What he does for that Bears defense is unreal.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by GB12 View Post
                    Too bad you don't. Packers, Bears, and Saints are better than the Giants in the NFC alone.
                    Saints and Bears better than the Giants? Are you smoking crack? Packers, MAYBE.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Morton View Post
                      Saints and Bears better than the Giants? Are you smoking crack? Packers, MAYBE.
                      http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...G&d-447263-n=1

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                      • #71
                        Packers and Bears, yes. Saints, arguable, but I'd put them just ahead. I'll give the Giants 4th though.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by bearsfan_51 View Post
                          You have 6 Giants and 1 Bear, yet we have a better record than you.

                          As per the defense, you are 2nd in yards and 13th in points allowed. We are 3rd in yards and 3rd in points allowed. Yeah, our defense is better.

                          There is literally zero chance that there will be 6 Giants, especially when they very well may not even make the playoffs.

                          You're being a homer.
                          The reason the Bears are 3rd in points allowed is pretty obvious: look to the schedule where they played such offensive juggernauts as the Lions (twice), the Panthers, the Dolphins with a third-string QB, the Redskins, the Seahawks, the Bills, and the pre-Garret Cowboys and the crappy Favre Vikings.

                          You can't use stats like "points allowed" to realistically project the strength of a defense against playoff teams, because often times a team's regular season schedule will inflate their perceived strength. Look at the 2005 Chicago Bears, for instance. Extremely easy schedule with few offensive powerhouses, so they end up #1 in the league in points allowed. Then they get into the playoffs, and promptly get b****-smacked by Jake Delhomme and Steve Smith to the tune of 29 points and 434 total yards.

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                          • #73
                            I also don't like the points per game stat for the Giants because we had a new D coordinator at the beginning of the year. We needed some games to adjust to Fewell's system but since about Game 3 when it really clicked we're doing much better in the PPG area.
                            #Chop


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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Morton View Post
                              The reason the Bears are 3rd in points allowed is pretty obvious: look to the schedule where they played such offensive juggernauts as the Lions (twice), the Panthers, the Dolphins with a third-string QB, the Redskins, the Seahawks, the Bills, and the pre-Garret Cowboys and the crappy Favre Vikings.

                              You can't use stats like "points allowed" to realistically project the strength of a defense against playoff teams, because often times a team's regular season schedule will inflate their perceived strength. Look at the 2005 Chicago Bears, for instance. Extremely easy schedule with few offensive powerhouses, so they end up #1 in the league in points allowed. Then they get into the playoffs, and promptly get b****-smacked by Jake Delhomme and Steve Smith to the tune of 29 points and 434 total yards.
                              The Packers have also played the Lions (and do again this weekend), the Bills with Trent Edwards, Miami, the Jets, the pre-Garrett Phillips, and the crappy Vikings twice. Not exactly a slate of offensive juggernauts there, either. They also made Aaron Rodgers (god himself) look terrible.
                              Last edited by yourfavestoner; 12-11-2010, 03:34 PM.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by yourfavestoner View Post
                                The Packers have also played the Lions (and do again this weekend), the Bills with Trent Edwards, Miami, the Jets, the pre-Garrett Phillips, and the crappy Vikings twice. Not exactly a slate of offensive juggernauts there, either.
                                And their ranking as a top defense based on points allowed is sketchy, also.

                                Remember last year, when the Packers defense was ranked in the top 5 in points allowed, and everyone was saying how good they were?

                                What happened in the playoffs? That same defense gave up 50 bazillion points to Kurt Warner and the Cardinals and despite an All-World performance by Aaron Rodgers, the Packers were ousted in the first round.

                                Points allowed per game in the regular season is pretty much a red herring when it comes to predicting how well a team will ultimately do, or how strong their defense truly is.

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