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  • #31
    I agree that his stats were a product of McDaniels offense. But there were times he did play well. He is worth a look for teams that need QBs next season. I wouldn't give up the house for him though.

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    • #32
      If a team will dish out a third for Whitehurst who has "potential" I don't see why Arizona or Minny won't deal a third for Orton, who, albeit not a superstar, you can win games with.

      McDaniels' offense obviously inflated his stats, but even in his last year with the Bears you see that he was decent putting up similar numbers to Cassell (in Cassell's debut year with the Patriots). 18 TDs 12 INTs and a 58% completion percentage. Maybe not so much Arizona but a team like Minnesota if they commit to running the ball with the most talented back in the NFL (Adrian Peteson) can definitely find themselves back in playoff contention with a run-oriented, Kyle Orton-led offense.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by keylime_5 View Post
        I still think this is wrong. It happens every single year in the NFL. It's especially possible in the AFC West where it is ripe for the taking. It's not like there's a Pittsburgh, New England, Indianapolis, or Philadelphia in that division that is consistently good every single year. The Broncos have plenty of good talent: Moreno, Lloyd, Clady, Dumervil, Williams, Dawkins, Thomas, Gaffney, Graham, Harris, etc. They have the pieces in place to have a good offense if they can put it all together. Their defense played well early last year under Nolan, if they get Dumervil back and one or two more key defenders in place they can compete next year.
        The Broncos, like the Texans, can't put their defense together. Last year it was great the first eight weeks of the season, but after that it plummeted. And without Nolan this year the defense has gotten very bad.

        Their offense is one-dimensional as well. They can pass the ball and move it, but they aren't scoring points. And it might be because they have no run game to speak off. Asking Orton to throw the ball 50 times a game is not going to work.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Malaka View Post
          If a team will dish out a third for Whitehurst who has "potential" I don't see why Arizona or Minny won't deal a third for Orton, who, albeit not a superstar, you can win games with.

          McDaniels' offense obviously inflated his stats, but even in his last year with the Bears you see that he was decent putting up similar numbers to Cassell (in Cassell's debut year with the Patriots). 18 TDs 12 INTs and a 58% completion percentage. Maybe not so much Arizona but a team like Minnesota if they commit to running the ball with the most talented back in the NFL (Adrian Peteson) can definitely find themselves back in playoff contention with a run-oriented, Kyle Orton-led offense.
          We already traded our third for Randy Moss. God I hate the Vikings right now. Not that I want Orton as any long term replacement in any scenario anyhow.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by BuckNaked View Post
            We already traded our third for Randy Moss. God I hate the Vikings right now. Not that I want Orton as any long term replacement in any scenario anyhow.
            Because Carson Palmer, Matt Hasselbeck and Donovan McNabb are way better options, right? ;)

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            • #36
              they are certainly equal options as well as Marc Bulger

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              • #37
                Originally posted by njx9
                this. our last two idiot gm/coaches have left the entire team in absolute shambles. there is NOTHING to build off of on defense. i can't stress nothing enough. a high school JV team would give the broncos a better group of young players. and the offense is generally weak, too, although there are at least two talented players.

                there's a near zero chance that denver is even competitive in the afc west in the next couple of years unless every other team either folds or suffers so many catastrophic injuries that they literally are playing a high school jv team.
                Bingo. The Chiefs turn around was faster than I(and most) people thought, but everyone saw that that team had the chance to contend in a couple of years. They had a ton of solid young kids on defense, Jamaal Charles, and a young QB who showed he can play and win games in this league. Right now, Denver has none of that, except a mid-career QB who has shown he can play and win games in this league. This team won't be a contender until Orton is like 30, maybe even older. There's simply nothing to build on here. Our future defensive outlook is Elvis Dumervil and maybe Robert Ayers. Everyone else is either too old to factor in the future of the team or not good enough.


                Originally posted by Scott Wright
                Terrellezzzzzzzz Pryorzzzzzzzz!
                Originally posted by njx9
                do i tell you when to flip the burger?

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by keylime_5 View Post
                  I still think this is wrong. It happens every single year in the NFL. It's especially possible in the AFC West where it is ripe for the taking. It's not like there's a Pittsburgh, New England, Indianapolis, or Philadelphia in that division that is consistently good every single year. The Broncos have plenty of good talent: Moreno, Lloyd, Clady, Dumervil, Williams, Dawkins, Thomas, Gaffney, Graham, Harris, etc. They have the pieces in place to have a good offense if they can put it all together. Their defense played well early last year under Nolan, if they get Dumervil back and one or two more key defenders in place they can compete next year.
                  Yeah it's not like there's a team that has won the AFC West 5 of the last 6 seasons and four in a row or anything.


                  Originally posted by Scott Wright
                  Terrellezzzzzzzz Pryorzzzzzzzz!
                  Originally posted by njx9
                  do i tell you when to flip the burger?

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by BeerBaron View Post
                    Because Carson Palmer, Matt Hasselbeck and Donovan McNabb are way better options, right? ;)
                    Orton's likely better than any of those guys right now. The only QB who might be on the market who is better as a short and long term solution is VY. Also Minnesota won't be looking for a long-term solution, there window is next year and maybe the year after that. They should draft a guy this year, let Orton play the season and then let him walk and let the young guy take over and rebuild around him.


                    Originally posted by Scott Wright
                    Terrellezzzzzzzz Pryorzzzzzzzz!
                    Originally posted by njx9
                    do i tell you when to flip the burger?

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                    • #40
                      well denver and kansas city and oakland haven't put up much of a fight, but the chargers have consistently started slow and underperformed under Norv Turner. KC took advantage of the oppurtunity this year and Denver did for half of last season before crumbling to the dirt.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by MichaelJordanEberle (sabf) View Post
                        Orton's likely better than any of those guys right now. The only QB who might be on the market who is better as a short and long term solution is VY. Also Minnesota won't be looking for a long-term solution, there window is next year and maybe the year after that. They should draft a guy this year, let Orton play the season and then let him walk and let the young guy take over and rebuild around him.
                        I was, somewhat jokingly, listing Minnesota's other options because I still feel that they will try to "win now" with a veteran and forgo bringing in any kind of worthwhile young QB to develop.

                        They're fighting for a new stadium, and it'll be hard to convince the politicians necessary to give hundreds of millions of dollars to a rebuilding team.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by BuckNaked View Post
                          We already traded our third for Randy Moss. God I hate the Vikings right now. Not that I want Orton as any long term replacement in any scenario anyhow.
                          Whoops forgot about that lol.

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                          • #43
                            There won't be much of a market, if any. Bad teams want someone young with more upside. I can't think of a good team that Orton would make better or a mediocre team that Orton could elevate into the playoffs.

                            Nobody is going to pay $9.75M anyway. There would need to be an extension in place or Denver eating a bunch of the salary or taking back an extremely overpaid player.

                            The season he put together I could imagine 1 of the 31 teams out there would want him however, even if I think it's a horrible idea. He was leading the league in passing yards for a few weeks I believe. I'd put his price tag at a 2nd round pick.

                            Whenever I think of trading quarterbacks I think about Charlie Whitehurst and the 3rd round pick he got ... by that standard Orton should be a high first

                            Edit: on second thought, there might be a market out there for him such as the Vikings, Redskins, Bengals

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by umphrey View Post
                              There won't be much of a market, if any. Bad teams want someone young with more upside. I can't think of a good team that Orton would make better or a mediocre team that Orton could elevate into the playoffs.

                              Nobody is going to pay $9.75M anyway. There would need to be an extension in place or Denver eating a bunch of the salary or taking back an extremely overpaid player.
                              Ok, then you go and absolutely contradict yourself:

                              The season he put together I could imagine 1 of the 31 teams out there would want him however, even if I think it's a horrible idea. He was leading the league in passing yards for a few weeks I believe. I'd put his price tag at a 2nd round pick.

                              Whenever I think of trading quarterbacks I think about Charlie Whitehurst and the 3rd round pick he got ... by that standard Orton should be a high first

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                              • #45
                                Thinking more about it, I truly think Orton is perfect for Minny. He has experience in the area, conditions, and division since he was with the Bears. Moreover, with a run-heavy offense he can be just what the Vikings need to get back into contention. Screens to Harvin, and Rice being healthy are also nice pieces for Orton to work with when he is called upon to throw the ball.

                                Bone Krusher, the best

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