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  • #46
    Originally posted by Shiver View Post
    The measure ables in this era defy reason.
    Not really. With around 1700 players that are active in the NFL, even if you say all of these players are from *only* America, you still have 298,444,215 people to choose from. Let's cut that in half, since only Men play football. 149 222 108. Then, let's take 1/4 of that, since that's about how may people play football. 37 305 526. Now, that means about .00004% of people that play football are "freak" athletes. That isn't even close to being a number too high to believe. That's about 4 out of every 100 000 people being a freakishly good athletic specimen (once again, assuming that only Americans can play football... and that's also assuming every person in the NFL is a freakishly athletic specimen, which is also quite untrue. However, that will balance it out for the "freakishly athletic" players in other sports).

    Now, I am not denying that a hell of a lot of NFL players are doing steroids, but the law averages state that someone like a Julius Peppers could be, and probably would be, naturally born.

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    • #47
      See, I don't buy that. Considering the size:speed ratio, contrasted to even twenty years ago. It is such a large gap, that is just too convenient, especially when all evidence is there to suggest that steroids have been proliferating in that same twenty year time-span.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Shiver View Post
        See, I don't buy that. Considering the size:speed ratio, contrasted to even twenty years ago. It is such a large gap, that is just too convenient, especially when all evidence is there to suggest that steroids have been proliferating in that same twenty year time-span.
        Once again, I'm not saying that a lot of players don't use steroids, and that steroids haven't made a lot of players into that "upper level." But, I still say that you are going to have freakish athletes naturally born. Just like you have children born with no skin or three arms... crazy **** happens.

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        • #49
          I understand that. It's just, back twenty years ago, the freak athletes wouldn't even generate buzz now.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by yourfavestoner View Post
            Hollis Thomas tested positive because he has severe asthma, and albuterol (the substance in asthma inhalers) is a steroid.
            There's basically a big scandal involved in these so-called "asthma inhalers" when used by professional athletes. There's a very distinct possibility that Hollis Thomas does not have asthma and is just using it as a front to use these performance-enhancers. It is commonplace in other sports (such as running) where more than half the sport is reporting that they have asthma. Something is obviously up.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Shiver View Post
              I understand that. It's just, back twenty years ago, the freak athletes wouldn't even generate buzz now.
              I don't know about that, you would have to look through all the numbers. Also, their measurables weren't as closely speculated on, or cared about. It was simply their football ability that mattered. Do you think that 20 years ago people were going to track camps to try and lower their 40 for the combine? They'd lift weights, but there's a difference between working out to be in shape for football and working out to lift weights. Measurables are more important to the Owners and Coaches now, so the players spend a lot more time on lifting good and running fast than they used to.

              Anyways, I agree that a lot of players are juicing, however the odds are that there would be a number of natural born athletes that were 'freaks of nature'. Some of them may have taken steroids on top of that, and some may not have, but the odds are still there. So you can't say "He's a beast, he must be on roids".

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              • #52
                Fact is, almost all of these players are gifted natural athletes to begin with. The juice helps them take that amazing talent and make it superhuman. If everyone were off the roids, Merriman would likely still have a dominating performance. With most top talented players on steroids, the cream still rises to the top. For those not on roids, they are pressured into doing so because of the need to keep their jobs and livelihood. Vicious cycle to be sure.



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