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  • #31
    Originally posted by KBear View Post
    Well, the Bears benched Chris Harris, the guy Manning replaced, after a solid rookie year. So it is something the Bears could do.
    They could, and it wouldn't suprise me. But you have to remember that Chris Harris was a 6th round pick, Manning was a high 2nd round pick. I think that with Angelo's ego being what it is, and Lovie's preference for starting rookies, that they would find a way to keep Manning in the starting lineup.

    That being said, if he continues to struggle I think a move to cornerback is inevitable, and probably for the best for all parties involved. It's not as crazy as some may think, I just think Arch needs to prove himself a little more before we start slotting him in the starting lineup of one of the best defenses in the league.


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    • #32
      Originally posted by bsaza2358 View Post
      If Brown will never be benched, and dropping Manning out of the FS slot is not an option, why are they willing to take on Archuletta's large contract for him to play a part time role with the team? Signing him after he's cut is one thing. Trading for him to get that horrid contract is completely different. Could you explain that to me?
      His base salary isn't horrid. It's the signing bonus that is. If he's traded they won't have to pay him any bonus money.

      If he's a contibutor the base salary won't matter.

      If he stinks they can cut him without any cap charges.

      It's a year by year contract in essence.

      Plus we need to keep in mind that this is all speculation at this point. We have no idea how the contract specifics will be worked out.


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      • #33
        I don't think Manning has done so poorly that he needs replacing. I think he is a very good FS, and he will get better with time and coaching. Again, if Mike Brown is not replacable, why trade for Arch's very high salary for him to play part time?



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        • #34
          Archuleta signed for 6 years $30 mil, with $10 mil in guarantees, and most of his base salary was all back loaded. If the Redskins trade him, they will take a cap hit for all of his signing bonus and other remaining guaranteed money yet to be paid out. So his salary will be reasonable for the next couple years, and after which the Bears could cut him and not take a cap hit. So his contract is not that big of a deal for the Bears or who ever might trade for him.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by bearsfan_51 View Post
            His base salary isn't horrid. It's the signing bonus that is. If he's traded they won't have to pay him any bonus money.

            If he's a contibutor the base salary won't matter.

            If he stinks they can cut him without any cap charges.

            It's a year by year contract in essence.

            Plus we need to keep in mind that this is all speculation at this point. We have no idea how the contract specifics will be worked out.
            Very true. I foresee the Redskins backloading the contract with bonus money to spread out the cap hit. Either way, they're going to be screwed again for making this move. That always amuses me. I didn't understand why they let Ryan Clark walk for 1/4 of the money they paid Arch, when Clark had a very productive season for them.

            Regardless, this is an interesting topic of discussion.



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            • #36
              Originally posted by KBear View Post
              Archuleta signed for 6 years $30 mil, with $10 mil in guarantees, and most of his base salary was all back loaded. If the Redskins trade him, they will take a cap hit for all of his signing bonus and other remaining guaranteed money yet to be paid out. So his salary will be reasonable for the next couple years, and after which the Bears could cut him and not take a cap hit. So his contract is not that big of a deal for the Bears or who ever might trade for him.
              I would assume Arch would want some sort of security and would ask the Bears to renegotiate the contract. He wants to get all the guaranteed income that he can. I would assume that the Bears will offer an incentive-laden contract to him.



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              • #37
                Originally posted by bearsfan_51 View Post
                They could, and it wouldn't suprise me. But you have to remember that Chris Harris was a 6th round pick, Manning was a high 2nd round pick. I think that with Angelo's ego being what it is, and Lovie's preference for starting rookies, that they would find a way to keep Manning in the starting lineup.

                That being said, if he continues to struggle I think a move to cornerback is inevitable, and probably for the best for all parties involved. It's not as crazy as some may think, I just think Arch needs to prove himself a little more before we start slotting him in the starting lineup of one of the best defenses in the league.
                I was just trying to point out that the Bears would/could do that type of thing.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by bsaza2358 View Post
                  I would assume Arch would want some sort of security and would ask the Bears to renegotiate the contract. He wants to get all the guaranteed income that he can. I would assume that the Bears will offer an incentive-laden contract to him.
                  He would still get his, or has already gotten that money from the Redskins. If I'm not mistaken, he got it all when he signed, but the league allows teams to prorate the signing bonus for up to 7 years agaisnt the cap.

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                  • #39
                    There is no job security for Arch if he doesn't get some sort of reworked contract. No one wants to be expendable. I'm certain he will get more guaranteed money or up front money in a contract that works better for the Bears. Of course, this is all based on if there is even a trade...



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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by bsaza2358 View Post
                      I would assume Arch would want some sort of security and would ask the Bears to renegotiate the contract. He wants to get all the guaranteed income that he can. I would assume that the Bears will offer an incentive-laden contract to him.
                      Arch has already publicly stated, while a member of the Redskins organization, that he wished he would have taken less money and signed with the Bears last year because he felt like the Redskins had no idea what to do with him and he didn't understand in retrospect why they wanted to sign him in the first place (suprise suprise). I would imagine that money won't be much of an issue.

                      This is actually very similar to the Jeremiah Trotter situation where he got some money from the Redskins, didn't like it there, and come back for less money to an organization that knew more properly how to use him.


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                      • #41
                        Trotter was a little different because a lot of his lack of productivity was due to the bilateral ACL tears he suffered as a member of the Redskins. In his 1 healthy year, he had over 100 tackles, but he wasn't very dominating as a read-and-react player. I do see the point, though. I was confused why Arch went to DC in the first place. While it stunk for him, I always enjoy watching the Skins flounder. This is just another example of their idiocy.

                        I never said that Arch wouldn't take less money. I said he would want to restructure or rewrite his contract to give himself more guaranteed money. His current contract probably works nicely for the Bears, but he needs to think about his own well-being. Getting a new contract, even for less money, means more up-front cash for him and his family. That kind of deal would probably benefit both sides nicely.



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                        • #42
                          Arch should already have gotten his $10 million in guaranteed money from the Redskins, and if traded to the Bears, the Bears wont have to owe him a dime in guaranteed money, just his base salary. And I dont see the Bears restructering his contract to give him more gauranteed money. As for job secruity, your right. He wont have much with the Bears because they wont owe him gauranteed money, but he should at least last two years, which is longer then he will with the Redskins.

                          If he wants more job security with the Bears, he would be better off getting cut right now by the Redskins and signing with the Bears.

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                          • #43
                            This is what I imagine happening if we pick up Arch and he looks like his old self in training camp. On first and second down Arch lines up as the eighth man in the box with the option to blitz while Brown plays the cover 1 FS while our CBs play press coverage. On third and long downs we play in cover 2 zone with D.Manning and Brown(and technically sometimes Urlacher) in the deep zones.

                            The more I think about it I believe Lovie wants Arch to have a major role in the defense because he has pursued him for three years straight. I don't think we would care if he was jsut going to be depth.

                            Brown may have lost some speed to play a center fielder in a cover 1 but in my opinion his instincts and ballhawking skills are what make him great and make our other safeties look like chumps when he goes down. We also have flexibility since Brown is great at the line of scrimmage also, just not durable enough to play there all year long.

                            D.Manning was a SS in college but listed as a CB in the draft because of his measurables. Trying him out at CB is probably a good idea since we won't be keeping both Tillman and Vasher for the future.

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                            • #44
                              Everyones over thinking this, if we get him he'll be our SS, Brown would play FS, Were already talking about moving manning to corner, he'd be a very good corner for us

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                              • #45
                                I'd be happy Vernon Fox is much better than him.

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