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  • #46
    Really that 3rd round pick for Moss was a genius deal in hindsight. Say what you want about trading down constantly but Moss is a bona fide useless player now. You never even heard the guys name once he was with the Titans.

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    • #47
      You've just gotta give these young players they draft some time to develop. I agree on the WR part but they did have Moss and now Id expect them to address it in the draft. But they have some good young players on defense that could be studs down the line with some development. Look at all the good players they landed in 1 draft..McCourty, Gronk, Hernandez, Spikes, Cunningham...you can't really say that that was a mistake. The 09 draft is a problem. They really missed on a lot of guys in that 1 draft..Darius Butler, Ron Brace, Tyrone McKenzie, Kevin OConnell come to mind. But they hit on Vollmer too. Like I've said, they have so many picks that they will land 3-4 more impact players in thias years draft...they aren't getting any worse and their draft philosophy is hard to argue with. Devin McCourty and a bunch of 2nd round impact players? What's wrong with that?

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      • #48
        Originally posted by ninerfan View Post
        I really believe the Pats draft philosophy of trading down to acquire more picks is hurting the team. Sure they have great depth & a bunch of nice players but not many standouts. Yes Brady is a standout on offense but who else? No. 1 receiver - NO, Top 10 RB - NO, Great TE - maybe but too early. The defense - people say Chung this great young player but he ****** up several times tonight, Mayo missed tackles etc.

        Anyways does anyone think that with Moss the score may have been different? Revis may have shut him down but Branch & Welker.......... in hindsight maybe a 3rd wasn't such a great deal ? IMHO
        Umm it worked great for the cowboys of the 90's to have so many picks because gems can be found throughout the draft if you have the scouting department to look for them. The pats have a great GM and scouts so they'll make great use of those picks.

        Those two rookie TE are going to be elite soon. They both have 550 yards receiving and they'll get better with more time. I'm not too sure on Hernandez but Gronkowiski just looks like a monster in the making to me. Elite talents can be found throughout the draft, just look at TO and Ocho Cinco. They were both 2nd rounders. Those mid-low first round picks are what's best for the Pat's anyways. Long term deals that won't break the bank like those top 5 picks. It allows them to work under the cap and bring in free agents that strengthen the squad.

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        • #49
          The Brady of today is an excellent QB. A great QB, even. The problem I have is that people wanted to crown him ONLY upon the merits of winning 3 SBs, somehow attribute those 3 wins to his excellence at the QB position. That's ridiculous, and its been proven so now. If that was the case, he would have kept winning Super Bowls...unless you want to bother making the ludicrous argument that he had it then and somehow lost it, lawl.

          It's just so stupid. Really, it is. The Pats of 2001 were the equivalent to the 2007 Giants. A solid team who were able to ride the wave of several very fortunate breaks, give themselves a chance to win and then make just enough plays to get it done against a team that was, quite frankly, better than them (no disrespect intended, but that's how it is). They weren't an elite football team, and it showed the next year when they didn't even make the playoffs.

          Through superior management, savvy personnel moves and dedication, they became an elite team in 2003 and 2004. But Brady was barely more than a caretaker. He didn't lose games for them and when the defense and special teams needed a late FG to clinch the game, he delivered. But he was never a strength of that team. Those teams won with DEFENSE. They were the #1 defense in 2003 and neck and neck with Pittsburgh for #1 in 2004. They forced TOs, they kept teams out of the endzone and they always kept the team in the game. Meanwhile, Brady presided over an offense that was middle-of-the-pack. Starting in 2005, the nucleus of players that made them what they were started to erode. McGinest left, Andruzzi left, Troy Brown became washed up, etc and they weren't the same group....all while Brady got better. But as the team relied more and more on Brady, they got farther and farther away from accomplishing their goals as a TEAM.

          This isn't hard to follow. Everyone understands the simple concept that the more talent you have, the better your chances are of winning SBs. Except somehow in Brady's case those 3 rings blind people and rob them of their common sense. They become fatalists, and think that what happened was the result of some supernatural greatness by the QB, because they don't have any other simple explanation (God forbid they try to obtain a thorough understanding of the situation) for it. Then you get people trying to say that a "pretty good" QB--Brady circa 2001-2003 is a great one.

          Looking at him now, its much easier to feel comfortable with him in the discussion as an All-Time great. He's become highly accurate. He is one of the 3 best decision makers at the position ever. He has a knowledge of the game and how to read a defense that is right up there with the best ever as well. But that's not the guy that won 3 Super Bowls. He's much better now than he was then. Yet, ironically, he's had far less post season success. Massively comical, seeing as how his post season success was his only real claim to greatness pre-2007.

          This isn't hard to get. He simply has had a much worse team. Even that 2007 team wasn't as good. They were certainly an impressive bunch--offensively. But the numbers were skewed a bit due to their willingness to run the score up long after a game was decided, and they slowed considerably towards the end of the year. If Brady was everything everyone had ever made him out to be, they never would have lost in that Super Bowl. Unfortunately, he wasn't. No one is.

          More than anything, this is commentary about how to build a championship team. If you want any chance of prolonged success (think of the Saints and how up and down they have been over the last 5 years despite having an elite QB at their disposal) you need to build a defense that will always keep you in games. In the end, that's what the Pats SB runs were founded on, even though Brady always gets the credit in retrospect.
          Originally posted by 21ST
          He was protecting his self
          Originally posted by tjsunstein
          From what? His leg?
          Originally posted by Paranoidmoonduck
          That leg has had it out for him since day 1.
          "We're the quiet guys, the guys before the storm. And then we hit you."

          DeMarcus Ware

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          • #50
            I'll be honest.
            Roethlisburger would not be much without that defense.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by yo123 View Post
              29 that weren't on 3rd downs or situations that they really needed. Not to mention that that was on 45 attempts. Come on man you have to come with more than that.
              Why do I bother...

              Yeah, you're right. Brady only completed passes they didn't need and 29/45 is horrible. Brady single handedly lost that game.

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              • #52
                Since week 15 Brady has been playing at an average level. As a Pats fan this scared me because I had never seen him finish a season that weakly(in comparison to his season play)

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                • #53
                  Brady got much of his numbers on the final two drives. The last drive was meaningless. The second to the last drive took up half of a the 4th quarter and resulted in just 3 points, to a large degree because of Brady's inaccuracy and inability to make any type of big play. They were down two scores and needed to get on the board quickly. Instead Brady dinked and dunked all the way down the field and got stopped in money territory. Yet nearly half his yardage and half of his TDs were a result of those two drives, which were both failures. Sorry, but his numbers were largely cosmetic, and even then they weren't very impressive at all.
                  Originally posted by 21ST
                  He was protecting his self
                  Originally posted by tjsunstein
                  From what? His leg?
                  Originally posted by Paranoidmoonduck
                  That leg has had it out for him since day 1.
                  "We're the quiet guys, the guys before the storm. And then we hit you."

                  DeMarcus Ware

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                  • #54
                    Don't blame Tom!! That gorgeous hair of his was clouding his vision!!!


                    On a serious note, all game his accuracy was inconsistent, and for the entire duration of the game(aside from two drives) his decision making and pocket awareness was questionable. To me it seems as if he is letting his accomplishments get to him and his ego is starting to inflate to something larger than he is capable of delivering. Listen, Tom, if you don't give it all you got in the film room and on the practice field you aint got jack **** on the gridiron.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Halsey View Post
                      Why do I bother...

                      Yeah, you're right. Brady only completed passes they didn't need and 29/45 is horrible. Brady single handedly lost that game.
                      Show me where I said he single handedly lost the game and then we'll talk. As a matter of fact I believe i dedicated a whole post to how I'm not completely blaming it on him. But by all means whatever you want to hear to fit you argument go ahead.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by DBNYDP View Post
                        I'll be honest.
                        Roethlisburger would not be much without that defense.
                        Couldn't be any less true. ****** comes through when they need him. Flacco has repeatedly had great defense after great defense and has **** down his leg over and over. Big Ben never had the numbers but when they absolutely need a drive he gets it.

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                        • #57
                          It's official, Aaron Rodgers is the best QB in the league going into next season! :D

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by SDE View Post
                            It's official, Aaron Rodgers is the best QB in the league going into next season! :D
                            Yes, because tearing up a Falcons defense, that was raped by Kevin Kolb, in the playoffs obviously means he is better than everyone else... Oh wait.
                            Last edited by Quailman; 01-17-2011, 07:00 AM.

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                            • #59
                              I always thought rating QBs by rings alone was stupid. Terry Bradshaw and Troy Aikman are basically in the hall of fame because they won the lottery.

                              With that said Tom Brady is still an all time great player, It's not him thats overrated, it's the QB position in general.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by DMWSackMachine View Post
                                He's now 4-5 in the playoffs since then, including a mark of just 2-5 against teams that he played in the regular season. Where is his clutchness now? Where is his sense of the moment? Where is his rises-to-the-occasion ability?
                                I tend to agree with you, and that 4-5 record should be 3-6 if the stupid Chargers DB that picked Brady off to seal that playoff game had just taken a knee instead of gone all gangster and tried to return the Int for no apparent reason.

                                Where Brady's clutchness now is people fail to realize that there is always a luck factor in the NFL. How would Tom Brady's "status" be if the first year the refs didn't **** Charles Woodson and the Raiders with the ******* tuck rule?

                                How would Brady's hero status be changed if his kicker had choked a la Scott Norwood? I believe that if his kicker was Scott Norwood, and the Bills back in the day was the clutch Vinitieri, then Jim Kelly would be thought of higher than Tom Brady.

                                Then you get into the whole Spygate thing.... we'll never know why Little Bill was doing that illegal activity all those times, or how much of a benefit it was for him to do that, take that big risk.

                                Tom Brady has now lost 2 playoff games in a row, at home, to Mark Sanchez and Joseph Flacco.

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