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  • #31
    Walsh has:
    Holmgren
    Billick
    Shanny
    Green
    Mooch
    Hackett
    Dungy

    Amongst many others

    Parcells has:
    Belichick which technically is better than Parcells and all of Walsh tree but Bill himself
    Payton
    Coughlin

    I would say they're even! I thank both of them for bringing us great football.

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    • #32
      I think its a pretty difficult question to answer, for one major reason in my opinion. I'll take Tony Dungy and his coaching tree for example. Dungy's tree has had some pretty decent success in recent years. 2-2 in Superbowls with another Superbowl appearance in a weeks time, and 4 current NFL Head Coaches, so having Dungy in your Coaching Tree would definately give you a boost. So who's tree is Dungy in? Is he in Bill Walsh's coaching tree? He was the Defensive Co-ordinator of the Vikings when Dennis Green in was in Minnesota. Is he part of the Marty Schottenheimer tree? Dungy was the Defensive Backs coach in Kansas City? Or was he part of the Chuck Noll coaching tree? Dungy got his first NFL coaching job as the Defensive Backs coach of the Steelers under Noll and has stated that the Tampa 2 was just a modified version of the 75 Steelers defensive playbook.

      And that is only one Coach and his Coaching tree. So it is very difficult to state categorically which Coach came from which tree and by extension difficult to state which has been the best.
      Originally posted by George Carlin

      In Football the object is for the Field General to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the Defence by hitting his Receivers with deadly accuracy, in spite of the Blitz, even if he has to use the Shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack which punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy’s Defensive Line.

      In Baseball the object is to go home and be safe.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by AntoinCD View Post
        While Bill Walsh has a massive coaching tree with numerous current or former head coaches, the relative success has not been great. Only really Billick, Gruden and Shanahan have had any Superbowl success and many credit Tony Dungy for most of Tampa Bay's success.
        Mike Holmgren, George Seifert, and Dennis Green had fabulous runs with their teams while they were head coaches. And those guys are just the ones that worked directly with Walsh. Steve Mariucci (who knows Walsh well) had a great run with the 49ers, and Mike Sherman and Andy Reid have had success with their teams while being head coaches. Mike McCarthy can get thrown in there too because of his time with Paul Hackett who worked under Walsh. I think it's Walsh hands down.

        "Every light must fade, every heart return to darkness!"
        -San Francisco 49ers: Five Time Super Bowl Champions-
        Originally posted by Borat
        Oh, my bad. Didn't realize SWDC was the pinnacle of class and grace.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by AntoinCD View Post
          Not necessarily just Superbowl rings but wins as well. I dont necessarily agree with the premise that being long tenured makes you a good coach either. Jeff Fisher only had, I think, 6 winning seasons in Tennessee.

          I also don't think that at the minute any of those current coaches except Tomlin come close to either Belichick or Payton. At the moment I would consider Tomlin and McCarthy to be the only top coaches in that tree and they both benefit from excellent front offices too.
          Payton hasn't coached that long in the NFL and he's had 3 winning seasons out of five in New Orleans. Mike Shanahan at this point has more credentials. John Gruden too. I know you're talking about current coaches, but since we're talking about the Bill Walsh tree, I think it's relative if you're going to talk about Payton and the tree he comes from.

          "Every light must fade, every heart return to darkness!"
          -San Francisco 49ers: Five Time Super Bowl Champions-
          Originally posted by Borat
          Oh, my bad. Didn't realize SWDC was the pinnacle of class and grace.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by TitanHope View Post


            He also only had 5 losing seasons. :)

            Not to turn this thread off topic, but people need to understand why Fisher is seen as this great coach yet only has 6 winning seasons. In the modern NFL, rules have been put into place that force parity, such as the salary cap. In 16 full seasons, Fisher was .500 or better in 11 of them (I'm not going to count his interim year). Should .500 be applauded? No way. Just saying it's hard to escape that when your job is restricted towards that outcome.

            Yet, we have many teams who are contenders year in and year out. That's because elite QB's, usually along with great HC's and/or top notch front offices, carry enough power to overcome such things.

            Who and when was the last elite QB for the Titans?

            Not only that, but do people realize he oversaw a franchise shift from Houston, TX to Nashville, TN that saw stops in Memphis and Vanderbilt's stadium, along with Floyd Reese getting the team into the depths of salary cap hell after '04. The Titans had one losing season after that, and went 8-8 two seasons later. And this is all without getting into the Bud Adams shenanigans.

            It was time for the Titans and Fisher to split. I still like Fisher. A lot. I hope he goes to another team, where he actually gets to approve the player who plays the most vital position, and shows up the people who just skimmed his wikipedia page and started judging his career. If you're going to criticize something, target his **** playoff success. It literally took a miracle for him to get to the Super Bowl.

            /rant
            That's a K.O. Jeff Fisher gets way too much hate sometimes. He's a good coach.

            "Every light must fade, every heart return to darkness!"
            -San Francisco 49ers: Five Time Super Bowl Champions-
            Originally posted by Borat
            Oh, my bad. Didn't realize SWDC was the pinnacle of class and grace.

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            • #36
              How about Marty Schottenheimer when he was in Kansas City:

              Tony Dungy
              Herm Edwards
              Bill Cowher
              Mike McCarthy
              Gunther Cunningham

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Seamus2602 View Post
                I think its a pretty difficult question to answer, for one major reason in my opinion. I'll take Tony Dungy and his coaching tree for example. Dungy's tree has had some pretty decent success in recent years. 2-2 in Superbowls with another Superbowl appearance in a weeks time, and 4 current NFL Head Coaches, so having Dungy in your Coaching Tree would definately give you a boost. So who's tree is Dungy in? Is he in Bill Walsh's coaching tree? He was the Defensive Co-ordinator of the Vikings when Dennis Green in was in Minnesota. Is he part of the Marty Schottenheimer tree? Dungy was the Defensive Backs coach in Kansas City? Or was he part of the Chuck Noll coaching tree? Dungy got his first NFL coaching job as the Defensive Backs coach of the Steelers under Noll and has stated that the Tampa 2 was just a modified version of the 75 Steelers defensive playbook.

                And that is only one Coach and his Coaching tree. So it is very difficult to state categorically which Coach came from which tree and by extension difficult to state which has been the best.
                I think when they go through so many coaching trees that they're either a product of their last stop or they're just their own tree.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by tjsunstein View Post
                  Mike Holmgren's is pretty impressive from the time he was with Green Bay.
                  Holmgren is a branch of the Walsh tree.

                  He is a native San Franciscan & the only SF native on the 9ers staff under Walsh.

                  I believe Nick Saban has links to Bellichick but is not p/o the tree. Saban & BB are close friends & both Croatian-Americans:

                  from Wikipedia:

                  Nick Saban is of Croatian origin. Bill Belichick, with whom Nick Saban has excellent relations, said, when speaking about him and Saban: "Two successful Croats in the same division of NFL. You must admit, you don't see that every day."

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by bullg8rdaddy View Post
                    FYI Dungy's tree

                    Lovie Smith 1 Super Bowl as HC and 1 as Rams DC (unfortunately had Grossman as QB)
                    Herm Edwards
                    Rod Marinelli
                    Mike Tomlin 3 Super Bowls (2 rings a chance at another)
                    Raheem Morris
                    Leslie Frazier 3-3 as interim HC now permanent HC
                    Don't forget Jim Caldwell.


                    The problem arises when people use statistics like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support instead of illumination.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by bullg8rdaddy View Post
                      FYI Dungy's tree

                      Lovie Smith 1 Super Bowl as HC and 1 as Rams DC (unfortunately had Grossman as QB)
                      Herm Edwards
                      Rod Marinelli
                      Mike Tomlin 3 Super Bowls (2 rings a chance at another)
                      Raheem Morris
                      Leslie Frazier 3-3 as interim HC now permanent HC
                      2 Super Bowls and 1 ring. The first was Cowher's

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                      • #41


                        argument over.

                        Pick the Winners Champion 2008 | 2011

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Brent View Post


                          argument over.
                          Agreed.

                          Where's the late Don "Air" Coryell?

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Brent View Post


                            argument over.
                            Not entirely.

                            http://www.sports-central.org/images..._tree_2008.jpg

                            (Image is pretty big which is why I didn't post it in the forum itself)
                            Originally posted by George Carlin

                            In Football the object is for the Field General to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the Defence by hitting his Receivers with deadly accuracy, in spite of the Blitz, even if he has to use the Shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack which punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy’s Defensive Line.

                            In Baseball the object is to go home and be safe.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by GB12 View Post
                              2 Super Bowls and 1 ring. The first was Cowher's
                              I should have clarified, my bad, Tomlin was DB coach for the Bucs in 2002.

                              "I don't do Pro Days, we send our scouts to those. I would rather spend my time watching film. The eye in the sky never lies. Functional Strength and athletic ability are the first things we look for in a college prospect." - Mark Dominik, Buccaneers GM

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by bullg8rdaddy View Post
                                I should have clarified, my bad, Tomlin was DB coach for the Bucs in 2002.
                                Sure ya did ;)

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