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  • #76
    Originally posted by frogstomp
    You guys are all missing the key question...

    Who cares? They're kickers.
    I care. A crappy kicker lost Dallas 3 games last year. We would have been 12-4.

    BoneKrusher

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Staubach12
      Originally posted by frogstomp
      You guys are all missing the key question...

      Who cares? They're kickers.
      I care. A crappy kicker lost Dallas 3 games last year. We would have been 12-4.
      I disagree...sure he should have made those kicks but if you live and die by playing low scoring close to the vest football like Parcells plays you will get burned eventually. And he did......never put your team in a postion to rely on a kicker! Sure sometimes it happens, but in Parcells case ....all too often!

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Texico From Mexico
        I disagree...sure he should have made those kicks but if you live and die by playing low scoring close to the vest football like Parcells plays you will get burned eventually. And he did......never put your team in a postion to rely on a kicker! Sure sometimes it happens, but in Parcells case ....all too often!
        Yeah! Let's switch to the run & shoot!! That way we can give up 20 point leads over the course of 10 minutes!!
        Tex, get over it. Parcells is one of the greatest coaches this game has seen. For some reason, I trust his game-management philosophy a bit more than yours.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by cunningham06
          Well, there was a special on tv, don't remember the shows name, but they were showing special teamers, and for 10 minutes it was about Vinatieri and Hunter Smith. It was all about how Vinatieri likes to kick with an unusual amount of lean on his kicks, which he discovered experimenting around with Hunter Smith. Jesus I'm tired of arguing with you about something as trivial as the amount of lean that he likes to kick with. Please enlighten me as to what I've posted that is incorrect because I would love to hear it.

          If you have enough time to read through all my posts, then you really need to get a life. :roll:
          i just showed you several examples of why you're completely incorrect. further, i tend to read an inordinate number of your posts because i MODERATE A FEW OF THESE BOARDS. that means i have to watch the threads for things that need to be locked/deleted. that's sort of my job here. to read all the NFL/Draft/Mock board threads. so feel free to pm Ward and D and Xio and tell them to get lives too. i'm sure they'll appreciate it straight to deleteing your account.

          again, feel free to never post on any of the aforementioned boards again until you're able to display at least one iota of general football knowledge. saying "i heard on some tv show once" is NOT, oddly enough, credible sourcing, and actually makes your argument far weaker when the other person shows you direct, first hand evidence of you being wrong.

          if you're not going to say anything worthwhile in response, please do me a favor and just stop clicking the link to this board.

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          • #80
            You tell him njx.

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            • #81
              Originally posted by duckseason
              Originally posted by Texico From Mexico
              I disagree...sure he should have made those kicks but if you live and die by playing low scoring close to the vest football like Parcells plays you will get burned eventually. And he did......never put your team in a postion to rely on a kicker! Sure sometimes it happens, but in Parcells case ....all too often!
              Yeah! Let's switch to the run & shoot!! That way we can give up 20 point leads over the course of 10 minutes!!
              Tex, get over it. Parcells is one of the greatest coaches this game has seen. For some reason, I trust his game-management philosophy a bit more than yours.
              No! Lets play some balanced Football ala Jimmy Johnson! I am over it, now I want to see him do something than win 4 more games in the same time period as Gailey and Campo.....thats all he has done is win 4 MORE GAMES IN THREE YEARS! Its time to put up or shut up! You people are just living off his reputation that is so so so long ago! In fact before most of your were born, or very young. He had some success with the Giants in the 80's, sqeaked by a better Bills team (missed field goal, case in point) and you think hes god. Please.....

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              • #82
                Originally posted by njx9
                Originally posted by cunningham06
                Well, there was a special on tv, don't remember the shows name, but they were showing special teamers, and for 10 minutes it was about Vinatieri and Hunter Smith. It was all about how Vinatieri likes to kick with an unusual amount of lean on his kicks, which he discovered experimenting around with Hunter Smith. Jesus I'm tired of arguing with you about something as trivial as the amount of lean that he likes to kick with. Please enlighten me as to what I've posted that is incorrect because I would love to hear it.

                If you have enough time to read through all my posts, then you really need to get a life. :roll:
                i just showed you several examples of why you're completely incorrect. further, i tend to read an inordinate number of your posts because i MODERATE A FEW OF THESE BOARDS. that means i have to watch the threads for things that need to be locked/deleted. that's sort of my job here. to read all the NFL/Draft/Mock board threads. so feel free to pm Ward and D and Xio and tell them to get lives too. i'm sure they'll appreciate it straight to deleteing your account.

                again, feel free to never post on any of the aforementioned boards again until you're able to display at least one iota of general football knowledge. saying "i heard on some tv show once" is NOT, oddly enough, credible sourcing, and actually makes your argument far weaker when the other person shows you direct, first hand evidence of you being wrong.

                if you're not going to say anything worthwhile in response, please do me a favor and just stop clicking the link to this board.
                Sorry, but I believe what Vinatieri says himself about how he kicks more than any of the "evidence" you've presented. Yes most kickers kick with some lean, we agree on that point, but Vinatieri likes a little more, and I don't see why this point is so important to you that you feel the need to have this long of a debate about it.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Texico From Mexico
                  Originally posted by duckseason
                  Originally posted by Texico From Mexico
                  I disagree...sure he should have made those kicks but if you live and die by playing low scoring close to the vest football like Parcells plays you will get burned eventually. And he did......never put your team in a postion to rely on a kicker! Sure sometimes it happens, but in Parcells case ....all too often!
                  Yeah! Let's switch to the run & shoot!! That way we can give up 20 point leads over the course of 10 minutes!!
                  Tex, get over it. Parcells is one of the greatest coaches this game has seen. For some reason, I trust his game-management philosophy a bit more than yours.
                  No! Lets play some balanced Football ala Jimmy Johnson! I am over it, now I want to see him do something than win 4 more games in the same time period as Gailey and Campo.....thats all he has done is win 4 MORE GAMES IN THREE YEARS! Its time to put up or shut up! You people are just living off his reputation that is so so so long ago! In fact before most of your were born, or very young. He had some success with the Giants in the 80's, sqeaked by a better Bills team (missed field goal, case in point) and you think hes god. Please.....
                  Umm...he put together arguably the greatest 3-4 defense ever in 86, won the SB in 90 with a BACKUP QB AND RB (forget the missed FG, we had our backup QB and RB in the game and STILL WON), took a 1-15 Jets team to the AFC championship, took a doormat Pats team to the SB, and now he's taken a Dallas team that was the laughing stock of the NFC and built them into a team that will contend for a championship well after he retires.

                  Face it Tex...the 2 best coaches your team's ever had were GIANTS. And I know it hurts inside, but its not my fault we produce the best coaches in NFL history.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by cunningham06
                    Originally posted by njx9
                    Originally posted by cunningham06
                    Well, there was a special on tv, don't remember the shows name, but they were showing special teamers, and for 10 minutes it was about Vinatieri and Hunter Smith. It was all about how Vinatieri likes to kick with an unusual amount of lean on his kicks, which he discovered experimenting around with Hunter Smith. Jesus I'm tired of arguing with you about something as trivial as the amount of lean that he likes to kick with. Please enlighten me as to what I've posted that is incorrect because I would love to hear it.

                    If you have enough time to read through all my posts, then you really need to get a life. :roll:
                    i just showed you several examples of why you're completely incorrect. further, i tend to read an inordinate number of your posts because i MODERATE A FEW OF THESE BOARDS. that means i have to watch the threads for things that need to be locked/deleted. that's sort of my job here. to read all the NFL/Draft/Mock board threads. so feel free to pm Ward and D and Xio and tell them to get lives too. i'm sure they'll appreciate it straight to deleteing your account.

                    again, feel free to never post on any of the aforementioned boards again until you're able to display at least one iota of general football knowledge. saying "i heard on some tv show once" is NOT, oddly enough, credible sourcing, and actually makes your argument far weaker when the other person shows you direct, first hand evidence of you being wrong.

                    if you're not going to say anything worthwhile in response, please do me a favor and just stop clicking the link to this board.
                    Sorry, but I believe what Vinatieri says himself about how he kicks more than any of the "evidence" you've presented. Yes most kickers kick with some lean, we agree on that point, but Vinatieri likes a little more, and I don't see why this point is so important to you that you feel the need to have this long of a debate about it.
                    because you have yet to be right about a single thing in this debate. so as long as you say things like "your evidence sucks, but my hearsay clearly proves that ..." i'm going to tell you what an awful argument that is.

                    the fact is, you still don't have any idea what you're talking about and yet you continue talking. as long as you do so, i'm going loudly let you know that you don't know anything about sports in general. *shrug*

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by bigbluedefense
                      Originally posted by Texico From Mexico
                      Originally posted by duckseason
                      Originally posted by Texico From Mexico
                      I disagree...sure he should have made those kicks but if you live and die by playing low scoring close to the vest football like Parcells plays you will get burned eventually. And he did......never put your team in a postion to rely on a kicker! Sure sometimes it happens, but in Parcells case ....all too often!
                      Yeah! Let's switch to the run & shoot!! That way we can give up 20 point leads over the course of 10 minutes!!
                      Tex, get over it. Parcells is one of the greatest coaches this game has seen. For some reason, I trust his game-management philosophy a bit more than yours.
                      No! Lets play some balanced Football ala Jimmy Johnson! I am over it, now I want to see him do something than win 4 more games in the same time period as Gailey and Campo.....thats all he has done is win 4 MORE GAMES IN THREE YEARS! Its time to put up or shut up! You people are just living off his reputation that is so so so long ago! In fact before most of your were born, or very young. He had some success with the Giants in the 80's, sqeaked by a better Bills team (missed field goal, case in point) and you think hes god. Please.....
                      Umm...he put together arguably the greatest 3-4 defense ever in 86, won the SB in 90 with a BACKUP QB AND RB (forget the missed FG, we had our backup QB and RB in the game and STILL WON), took a 1-15 Jets team to the AFC championship, took a doormat Pats team to the SB, and now he's taken a Dallas team that was the laughing stock of the NFC and built them into a team that will contend for a championship well after he retires.

                      Face it Tex...the 2 best coaches your team's ever had were GIANTS. And I know it hurts inside, but its not my fault we produce the best coaches in NFL history.
                      Oh yeah..he is so much better than Jimmy.. NOT! You need to wake up and realize that Jimmy built a 4 year champion. Had he been here they would had beat the 49ers in 95. Lets see Parcells equal that and I will shut the hell up! In fact not one of your Giant teams could have played with Jimmys teams! Not one and thats a fact! The 92-96 Cowboys would have spanked the 86- 91 Giants ass like a newborn babe! Even you can say no different. L.T. would not have EVEN sniffed Troy Aikman's jock with that OL he had!

                      And parcells did nothing with the PATS except lose....havent been been all over this subject in my class before?

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Texico From Mexico
                        Originally posted by bigbluedefense
                        Originally posted by Texico From Mexico
                        Originally posted by duckseason
                        Originally posted by Texico From Mexico
                        I disagree...sure he should have made those kicks but if you live and die by playing low scoring close to the vest football like Parcells plays you will get burned eventually. And he did......never put your team in a postion to rely on a kicker! Sure sometimes it happens, but in Parcells case ....all too often!
                        Yeah! Let's switch to the run & shoot!! That way we can give up 20 point leads over the course of 10 minutes!!
                        Tex, get over it. Parcells is one of the greatest coaches this game has seen. For some reason, I trust his game-management philosophy a bit more than yours.
                        No! Lets play some balanced Football ala Jimmy Johnson! I am over it, now I want to see him do something than win 4 more games in the same time period as Gailey and Campo.....thats all he has done is win 4 MORE GAMES IN THREE YEARS! Its time to put up or shut up! You people are just living off his reputation that is so so so long ago! In fact before most of your were born, or very young. He had some success with the Giants in the 80's, sqeaked by a better Bills team (missed field goal, case in point) and you think hes god. Please.....
                        Umm...he put together arguably the greatest 3-4 defense ever in 86, won the SB in 90 with a BACKUP QB AND RB (forget the missed FG, we had our backup QB and RB in the game and STILL WON), took a 1-15 Jets team to the AFC championship, took a doormat Pats team to the SB, and now he's taken a Dallas team that was the laughing stock of the NFC and built them into a team that will contend for a championship well after he retires.

                        Face it Tex...the 2 best coaches your team's ever had were GIANTS. And I know it hurts inside, but its not my fault we produce the best coaches in NFL history.
                        Oh yeah..he is so much better than Jimmy.. NOT! You need to wake up and realize that Jimmy built a 4 year champion. Had he been here they would had beat the 49ers in 95. Lets see Parcells equal that and I will shut the hell up! In fact not one of your Giant teams could have played with Jimmys teams! Not one and thats a fact! The 92-96 Cowboys would have spanked the 86- 91 Giants ass like a newborn babe! Even you can say no different. L.T. would not have EVEN sniffed Troy Aikman's jock with that OL he had!

                        And parcells did nothing with the PATS except lose....havent been been all over this subject in my class before?
                        Your dallas team's were good, but theres NO way they couldve blocked LT, Harry Carson, and Carl Banks...their Oline wasn't fast enough for it. You guys had big powerful olinemen, but that LB core would blow right past them. And that LB core would smack Emmit like they were his daddy. The 90 49ers had just as good of an Oline as the Cowboys and the Giants slapped it around for fun. And Troy "i get a concussion whenever someone sneezes on me" Aikman would be out of the game by the 1st quarter after LT puts a Joe Theisman on his butt. :D

                        You can't say Jimmy built a 4 year champion. Why? Because they didn't win 4 championships, period. Wouldve couldve shouldve doesn't count. Jimmy is not better than Parcells and you know it...theres no need to go over this again with you. He BOMBED in Miami, he was a one team wonder. Great drafter? Yes. Great head coach? Not really. Barry Switzer coached that team to a championship. They played in an era where there was 2 good teams in the NFL. The 90s didn't produce the type of players the 80s or the 70s did. A lot of teams would spank that cowboy team, the Steel Curtain, 85 Bears, 86 Giants, 89 49ers, heck...i think Landry's squad was better.

                        Theres no need to carry this on, we're detracting from the subject. If you wanna whine about how great Jimmy's jock is then make a thread about it.

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                        • #87
                          Please do not reply back to this thread until you understand football.

                          That is all....

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Texico From Mexico
                            Please do not reply back to this thread until you understand football.

                            That is all....
                            So I guess you can't respond to this thread anymore...or any thread for that matter :D

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by bigbluedefense
                              Originally posted by Texico From Mexico
                              Originally posted by bigbluedefense
                              Originally posted by Texico From Mexico
                              Originally posted by duckseason
                              Originally posted by Texico From Mexico
                              I disagree...sure he should have made those kicks but if you live and die by playing low scoring close to the vest football like Parcells plays you will get burned eventually. And he did......never put your team in a postion to rely on a kicker! Sure sometimes it happens, but in Parcells case ....all too often!
                              Yeah! Let's switch to the run & shoot!! That way we can give up 20 point leads over the course of 10 minutes!!
                              Tex, get over it. Parcells is one of the greatest coaches this game has seen. For some reason, I trust his game-management philosophy a bit more than yours.
                              No! Lets play some balanced Football ala Jimmy Johnson! I am over it, now I want to see him do something than win 4 more games in the same time period as Gailey and Campo.....thats all he has done is win 4 MORE GAMES IN THREE YEARS! Its time to put up or shut up! You people are just living off his reputation that is so so so long ago! In fact before most of your were born, or very young. He had some success with the Giants in the 80's, sqeaked by a better Bills team (missed field goal, case in point) and you think hes god. Please.....
                              Umm...he put together arguably the greatest 3-4 defense ever in 86, won the SB in 90 with a BACKUP QB AND RB (forget the missed FG, we had our backup QB and RB in the game and STILL WON), took a 1-15 Jets team to the AFC championship, took a doormat Pats team to the SB, and now he's taken a Dallas team that was the laughing stock of the NFC and built them into a team that will contend for a championship well after he retires.

                              Face it Tex...the 2 best coaches your team's ever had were GIANTS. And I know it hurts inside, but its not my fault we produce the best coaches in NFL history.
                              Oh yeah..he is so much better than Jimmy.. NOT! You need to wake up and realize that Jimmy built a 4 year champion. Had he been here they would had beat the 49ers in 95. Lets see Parcells equal that and I will shut the hell up! In fact not one of your Giant teams could have played with Jimmys teams! Not one and thats a fact! The 92-96 Cowboys would have spanked the 86- 91 Giants ass like a newborn babe! Even you can say no different. L.T. would not have EVEN sniffed Troy Aikman's jock with that OL he had!

                              And parcells did nothing with the PATS except lose....havent been been all over this subject in my class before?
                              Your dallas team's were good, but theres NO way they couldve blocked LT, Harry Carson, and Carl Banks...their Oline wasn't fast enough for it. You guys had big powerful olinemen, but that LB core would blow right past them. And that LB core would smack Emmit like they were his daddy. The 90 49ers had just as good of an Oline as the Cowboys and the Giants slapped it around for fun. And Troy "i get a concussion whenever someone sneezes on me" Aikman would be out of the game by the 1st quarter after LT puts a Joe Theisman on his butt. :D

                              You can't say Jimmy built a 4 year champion. Why? Because they didn't win 4 championships, period. Wouldve couldve shouldve doesn't count. Jimmy is not better than Parcells and you know it...theres no need to go over this again with you. He BOMBED in Miami, he was a one team wonder. Great drafter? Yes. Great head coach? Not really. Barry Switzer coached that team to a championship. They played in an era where there was 2 good teams in the NFL. The 90s didn't produce the type of players the 80s or the 70s did. A lot of teams would spank that cowboy team, the Steel Curtain, 85 Bears, 86 Giants, 89 49ers, heck...i think Landry's squad was better.

                              Theres no need to carry this on, we're detracting from the subject. If you wanna whine about how great Jimmy's jock is then make a thread about it.
                              Woah, woah, now. Now you're just disrespecting the Cowboys. We had the best O Line. Ever. That's it. Also Emmitt Smith could still run on them. He ran on everyone. Smith played with the most energy and the most force of any player I've ever seen. He moved nose tackles on his back every day, and no one could stop him. Not LT, not Harry Carson, and not Carl Banks. Troy Aikman was one of the most accurate passers in NFL history, he also had a cannon, and he was a winner. And Aikman was tough. He played through more pain than you can imagine. Yeah, he had a few concussions, and that cost him his career, but he was one of the most talented QBs ever to play the game. And don't give me the " Barry Switzer coached that team to a championship." crap. Johnson pulled that team together, made it the best, and when he left it all fell apart. The 95 Cowboys was a team putting out it's last best effort to win, and they were living off the shadow that Jimmy left, not Switzer. I'm not saying BP is not as good as Jimmy, because I beleive BP is a bit better, just don't talk about my team like that.

                              BoneKrusher

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Staubach12
                                Originally posted by bigbluedefense
                                Originally posted by Texico From Mexico
                                Originally posted by bigbluedefense
                                Originally posted by Texico From Mexico
                                Originally posted by duckseason
                                Originally posted by Texico From Mexico
                                I disagree...sure he should have made those kicks but if you live and die by playing low scoring close to the vest football like Parcells plays you will get burned eventually. And he did......never put your team in a postion to rely on a kicker! Sure sometimes it happens, but in Parcells case ....all too often!
                                Yeah! Let's switch to the run & shoot!! That way we can give up 20 point leads over the course of 10 minutes!!
                                Tex, get over it. Parcells is one of the greatest coaches this game has seen. For some reason, I trust his game-management philosophy a bit more than yours.
                                No! Lets play some balanced Football ala Jimmy Johnson! I am over it, now I want to see him do something than win 4 more games in the same time period as Gailey and Campo.....thats all he has done is win 4 MORE GAMES IN THREE YEARS! Its time to put up or shut up! You people are just living off his reputation that is so so so long ago! In fact before most of your were born, or very young. He had some success with the Giants in the 80's, sqeaked by a better Bills team (missed field goal, case in point) and you think hes god. Please.....
                                Umm...he put together arguably the greatest 3-4 defense ever in 86, won the SB in 90 with a BACKUP QB AND RB (forget the missed FG, we had our backup QB and RB in the game and STILL WON), took a 1-15 Jets team to the AFC championship, took a doormat Pats team to the SB, and now he's taken a Dallas team that was the laughing stock of the NFC and built them into a team that will contend for a championship well after he retires.

                                Face it Tex...the 2 best coaches your team's ever had were GIANTS. And I know it hurts inside, but its not my fault we produce the best coaches in NFL history.
                                Oh yeah..he is so much better than Jimmy.. NOT! You need to wake up and realize that Jimmy built a 4 year champion. Had he been here they would had beat the 49ers in 95. Lets see Parcells equal that and I will shut the hell up! In fact not one of your Giant teams could have played with Jimmys teams! Not one and thats a fact! The 92-96 Cowboys would have spanked the 86- 91 Giants ass like a newborn babe! Even you can say no different. L.T. would not have EVEN sniffed Troy Aikman's jock with that OL he had!

                                And parcells did nothing with the PATS except lose....havent been been all over this subject in my class before?
                                Your dallas team's were good, but theres NO way they couldve blocked LT, Harry Carson, and Carl Banks...their Oline wasn't fast enough for it. You guys had big powerful olinemen, but that LB core would blow right past them. And that LB core would smack Emmit like they were his daddy. The 90 49ers had just as good of an Oline as the Cowboys and the Giants slapped it around for fun. And Troy "i get a concussion whenever someone sneezes on me" Aikman would be out of the game by the 1st quarter after LT puts a Joe Theisman on his butt. :D

                                You can't say Jimmy built a 4 year champion. Why? Because they didn't win 4 championships, period. Wouldve couldve shouldve doesn't count. Jimmy is not better than Parcells and you know it...theres no need to go over this again with you. He BOMBED in Miami, he was a one team wonder. Great drafter? Yes. Great head coach? Not really. Barry Switzer coached that team to a championship. They played in an era where there was 2 good teams in the NFL. The 90s didn't produce the type of players the 80s or the 70s did. A lot of teams would spank that cowboy team, the Steel Curtain, 85 Bears, 86 Giants, 89 49ers, heck...i think Landry's squad was better.

                                Theres no need to carry this on, we're detracting from the subject. If you wanna whine about how great Jimmy's jock is then make a thread about it.
                                Woah, woah, now. Now you're just disrespecting the Cowboys. We had the best O Line. Ever. That's it. Also Emmitt Smith could still run on them. He ran on everyone. Smith played with the most energy and the most force of any player I've ever seen. He moved nose tackles on his back every day, and no one could stop him. Not LT, not Harry Carson, and not Carl Banks. Troy Aikman was one of the most accurate passers in NFL history, he also had a cannon, and he was a winner. And Aikman was tough. He played through more pain than you can imagine. Yeah, he had a few concussions, and that cost him his career, but he was one of the most talented QBs ever to play the game. And don't give me the " Barry Switzer coached that team to a championship." crap. Johnson pulled that team together, made it the best, and when he left it all fell apart. The 95 Cowboys was a team putting out it's last best effort to win, and they were living off the shadow that Jimmy left, not Switzer. I'm not saying BP is not as good as Jimmy, because I beleive BP is a bit better, just don't talk about my team like that.
                                Come on dude, don't act like there weren't other great teams. Its not disrespecting the Cowboys by saying other teams were better. Because there were better teams. That oline was good, the best if you will, but it wasn't so much better than the Niners oline in 89/90. I personally favor Landry's doomsday defense over the 90s cowboys. But thats just my opinion. But yeah, i have that team in my personal top 5, but it wasn't the best ever. An overlooked aspect of great teams is coaching staffs as well. I think the coaching tree of Bill Walsh, Parcells, Chuck Noll, and Landry would outsmart Jimmy in what would be a closely fought game. But anyway, its all subjective so arguing about it is useless.

                                And Id like to point out that it was my team that was disrespected first. I merely finished what someone else started. Now I don't want to comment on this subject matter anymore, we're detracting from the point of the thread. If you wanna continue discussing it, make a thread about it.

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