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  • #61
    Originally posted by TitleTown088 View Post
    Commies....
    That's not true at all. Cheese is the lifeblood of the proletariate.


    Nobody cares about your stupid fantasy team.

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    • #62
      The level of tender tells the story a lot. If they felt he was worth a 2nd rounder, they would have tendered him at that level, and would have saved a lot of money. If they thought he was just worth a first, they'd have tendered him at 1st round level and saved some money. The fact they used a 1st and 3rd says they feel he is worth more than a 1st rounder.

      I see swapping 1st rounders and then additional compensation as fair trades for both sides. The question becomes what the additional compensation is. I see 3 options possible. The highest would be the packer's 2nd round pick. It could be a 3rd round pick, or it could be swapping 2nd's. I'm not sure swapping 3rds would be enough ammo.

      I could potentially see the charges using additional picks to move up from 16 to the top 10 to go after Landry over Nelson as well if some form of this trade happens.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Thrawn View Post
        The level of tender tells the story a lot. If they felt he was worth a 2nd rounder, they would have tendered him at that level, and would have saved a lot of money. If they thought he was just worth a first, they'd have tendered him at 1st round level and saved some money. The fact they used a 1st and 3rd says they feel he is worth more than a 1st rounder.

        I see swapping 1st rounders and then additional compensation as fair trades for both sides. The question becomes what the additional compensation is. I see 3 options possible. The highest would be the packer's 2nd round pick. It could be a 3rd round pick, or it could be swapping 2nd's. I'm not sure swapping 3rds would be enough ammo.

        I could potentially see the charges using additional picks to move up from 16 to the top 10 to go after Landry over Nelson as well if some form of this trade happens.
        Not really. It's more to do with what they think they could get for him, rather than what they think he's worth. The difference in money is not that big of a deal, so why wouldn't they give him the highest tender knowing that teams will have to negotiate with them, rather than dictating the price for Turner. Chances are that if they want to deal they're going to have to accept something at a 2nd round value anyway, they would just prefer to do it on their own terms.


        Nobody cares about your stupid fantasy team.

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        • #64
          The Packers aren't going to give up draft picks to get Michael Turner.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Dam8610 View Post
            Early-mid 2nd value for Turner? Edge and Alexander couldn't fetch a 2nd round pick two years ago, and Thomas Jones just fetched high 3rd-low 2nd value as you said earlier in this post. Does the fact that Turner is 25 not only completely make up for the fact that he's relatively unproven in the NFL, but make him more valuable than franchise caliber backs that are 3 years older?

            RBs age in dog years in the NFL. A 25 year old running back and a 28 year old running back are like a 4 year old dog in his prime with his whole life ahead of him and a 7 year old dog with a couple good years left before he reaches "do nothing all day" status, respectively.

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            • #66
              The tender level was only an effort to ensure maximum trade opportunities, and not necessarily what they can get.

              As for Turner's value, for me, it's a factor of age, the ever-dangerous word "potential", and the realities of the market/draft. There simply aren't that many backs this year that draw a lot of attention. Everyone acknowledges that the drop from first tier to 2nd tier RB's in the draft is huge, moreso than in other years, and there's enough teams looking for running back help.

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              • #67
                Turner's value is about as high as your going to find for a running back right now.

                Yes, he will be a free agent next year but good luck fighting 10-15 other teams for his services. If you can get him locked up before the trade, this is a great move.

                He's still young (24 or 25) and has already shown he can be a dominant. There is no reason to think he can't carry the load. Personally, I'd take him over Marshawn Lynch. The downside on him is that he would have to carry a bigger contract than a rookie, so I would probably drop him to a late first/early second value.

                So, swapping 1st and 3rd picks sounds like an excellent deal to me for the Packers.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by marks01234 View Post
                  Turner's value is about as high as your going to find for a running back right now.

                  Yes, he will be a free agent next year but good luck fighting 10-15 other teams for his services. If you can get him locked up before the trade, this is a great move.

                  He's still young (24 or 25) and has already shown he can be a dominant. There is no reason to think he can't carry the load. Personally, I'd take him over Marshawn Lynch. The downside on him is that he would have to carry a bigger contract than a rookie, so I would probably drop him to a late first/early second value.

                  So, swapping 1st and 3rd picks sounds like an excellent deal to me for the Packers.
                  Wow, he has shown that he can be dominant? When was this? I was under the impression that he was a backup RB who gets 5-10 carries a game. I'm not saying that he doesn't have great potential, because he does, I'm just saying you can't call a backup RB who hasn't proven a thing dominant. He is coveted the way Shaub is; neither have proven much, but most believe that they have the potential to be good.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by myinnerself View Post
                    As a Charger fan I have had the pleasure of seeing plenty of Michael Turner, and he is a FANTASTIC back. Check out this limited highlight reel of him: http://www.dailymotion.com/jcdavey/v...1idt5_turnburn

                    The kid runs so hard and never gets tackled by the first guy that hits him. Whoever gets him will be lucky, the Chargers front office and coaching staff absolutely love the kid and rave about him constantly.
                    Thanks for posting that! I've been looking all over for a great highlight reel on him. Thanks to JCDavey for making it, too!

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by bearsfan_51 View Post
                      Lamont Jordan was a great backup to Curtis Martin with the Jets and was constantly involved in trade rumors. There were even people advocating cutting or forcing retirement on Curtis Martin so that they wouldn't lose Jordan.

                      It's easily to have a high YPC when you're only running the ball 7-8 times per game.

                      I personally think Turner will be a good starting runningback (and don't think Jordan is terrible either) but to assume that just because he's done well as a backup to the best runningback in the league means that he'll do as well elsewhere is unfounded.

                      And how old are you? Do you not remember Jordan pre-Raiders?
                      Never watched Jets games often and when I saw them I barely saw Jordan, and I didn't think he was that good

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                      • #71
                        i wonder if they would do what the texans did and swap 1st and give up a 2nd round pick (hopefully not two 2nd rounders)

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Stash View Post
                          Wow, he has shown that he can be dominant? When was this? I was under the impression that he was a backup RB who gets 5-10 carries a game. I'm not saying that he doesn't have great potential, because he does, I'm just saying you can't call a backup RB who hasn't proven a thing dominant. He is coveted the way Shaub is; neither have proven much, but most believe that they have the potential to be good.
                          Every time he's stepped on the field, he's looked very good. He's shown he has the speed and power to run on an NFL defense. That is something no college back has done yet.

                          He's made plenty of amazing plays spelling LT against first team defenses. You can argue that LT wore the D's out or that Rivers/Brees kept the D honest but the kid was still averaging over 6 yards a carry.

                          Big difference between him and Schaub. Schaub looked good in a few games - Turner has looked very good in numerous games. The kid is nearly 240 pounds and has amazing acceleration on kickoff returns.

                          There isn't to many running backs I would say would have a better value at this point than Turner. LJ, Ronnie Brown, LT, Portis and maybe Bush, Maroney, Duece and Cadillac. He is young, he has fresh legs, he is verstatile, he's a freak athletically.

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                          • #73
                            Honestly, if anyone questions the kid just watch the highlight video I post above. The kid produces and is a great back. If that highlight video doesn't impress you, I don't know what will. He is more proven than any college back, because he has shown he can produce AT THIS LEVEL.

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