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  • #16
    For what he is now, Ray Lewis is incredibly overated. He really hasn't been very good since 2002 or 2003. Anybody that is honest with themselves or objectively watches football would admit that. He was spectacular in his prime, but he's a shell of what he used to be.


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    • #17
      Originally posted by bearsfan_51 View Post
      For what he is now, Ray Lewis is incredibly overated. He really hasn't been very good since 2002 or 2003. Anybody that is honest with themselves or objectively watches football would admit that. He was spectacular in his prime, but he's a shell of what he used to be.
      He's still one of the top MLBs in the game. The year he won the Super Bowl he had one of the most dominating seasons ever for a defensive player.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Moses View Post
        He's still one of the top MLBs in the game. The year he won the Super Bowl he had one of the most dominating seasons ever for a defensive player.
        A)No he's not, and even if he was, the game is so incredibly weak in MLB's right now that's not saying much.

        B)That has nothing to do with now. I take this as overrated now, and Lewis is not what his image makes him out to be anymore.


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        • #19
          Originally posted by bearsfan_51 View Post
          A)No he's not, and even if he was, the game is so incredibly weak in MLB's right now that's not saying much.

          B)That has nothing to do with now. I take this as overrated now, and Lewis is not what his image makes him out to be anymore.
          Name some MLBs better than Lewis. You might get 2 or 3. To me, that makes him one of the best MLBs in the game. He's a great leader and the heart and soul of the league's best defence.

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          • #20
            First of all Bears' fans generally assume that a certain Bear middle linebacker is better then Ray anyway. Besides that, the reason for the "so-called" decline in his play is attributed to the fact that we don't run the defensive schemes that made him a great player. The schemes of Marvin Lewis are gone and now we have the mad scientist Rex Ryan who comes up with all kinds of schemes to take advantage of all the players on defense and not just Ray. Besides I for one am a Ray Lewis fan but I will say that he is still a top tier MLB, but he has declined from what he was. Of course the defense in which made him great is totally different from what our defense is today so its all give and take. Plus he doesn't have to be as dominant of a MLB with the talents of Bart Scott and Terrell Suggs in the linebacking core with him.

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            Originally posted by Job
            On another note, Nicklas Backstrom is amazingly good.
            Meanwhile, in hockey the other night, the Washington Capitals' Eric Belanger gets hit with a stick, loses EIGHT teeth, has an instant root canal in the locker room, comes back out and PLAYS and never says boo.

            So new rule, NBA: Unless you have a root canal at halftime, SHUT UP AND PLAY!

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            • #21
              The Loss of Rivera and Nolan hurt more than most people admit too imo.

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              • #22
                Because 519 Tackles, 95 sacks, 4 interceptions, 1 Int Return for a TD 17 FF, 4 Receptions for 39 yards and 2 Receiving TD's are bad stats for a Defensive Tackle.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by BigDawg819 View Post
                  First of all Bears' fans generally assume that a certain Bear middle linebacker is better then Ray anyway. Besides that, the reason for the "so-called" decline in his play is attributed to the fact that we don't run the defensive schemes that made him a great player. The schemes of Marvin Lewis are gone and now we have the mad scientist Rex Ryan who comes up with all kinds of schemes to take advantage of all the players on defense and not just Ray. Besides I for one am a Ray Lewis fan but I will say that he is still a top tier MLB, but he has declined from what he was. Of course the defense in which made him great is totally different from what our defense is today so its all give and take. Plus he doesn't have to be as dominant of a MLB with the talents of Bart Scott and Terrell Suggs in the linebacking core with him.
                  at this point in their respective careers, you have to be kidding yourself if you think Ray Lewis is better than Brian Urlacher.


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                  • #24
                    Not you've got to be kidding if you think Urlacher is the best LB in the NFL.

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                    • #25
                      Bash Merriman all you want, there is no denying that he brings it on the field. 4 FF, 1 pick, 17 sacks in 12 games to lead the league? Not overrated.

                      Roy Williams OTOH...

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                      • #26
                        Tony Gonzalez is the best receiving TE in the history of the game. Not overrated.

                        And to prove that he is, in fact, the best receiving TE in the history of the game...

                        Total Rank (Average Rank) in 12 statistical categories, both career totals and averages (per game and per season) (This is all before last season, however).

                        1. Tony Gonzalez - 46 (3.83)
                        2. Kellen Winslow - 72.5 (6.04)
                        3. Shannon Sharpe - 76 (6.33)
                        4. Antonio Gates - 83 (6.92)
                        5. Keith Jackson - 97.5 (8.13)
                        6. Ozzie Newsome - 107 (8.92)
                        7. Ben Coates - 107.5 (8.96)
                        8. Todd Christensen - 113 (9.42)
                        9T. Dave Casper - 126 (10.5)
                        9T. Jeremy Shockey - 126 (10.5)
                        11. Alge Crumpler - 128 (10.66)
                        12. John Mackey - 134 (11.17)
                        13. Mark Bavaro - 135 (11.25)
                        14. Mike Ditka - 138 (11.50)
                        15. Jason Witten - 138.5 (11.54)
                        16. Jackie Smith - 142 (11.83)
                        17. Todd Heap - 154 (12.83)
                        18. Brent Jones - 175 (14.58)
                        19. Frank Wycheck - 181 (15.08)

                        And the raw data:

                        Statistics:
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                        		Years	Games	G/Y	Yards	Yds/Yr	Yds/G	Yds/Rec	Rec	Rec/Yr	Rec/G	TDs	TDs/Yr	TDs/G	TD:Rec
                        Tony Gonzalez	9	143	15.888	7810	867.8	54.6	12.052	648	72	4.5	56	6.2	0.39	8.60%
                        														
                        Antonio Gates	3	45	15	2454	818	54.5	12.6	194	64.7	4.3	25	8.3	0.56	12.89%
                        Jeremy Shockey	4	54	13.5	2986	746.5	55.29	12.04	248	62	4.6	17	4.25	0.315	6.85%
                        Alge Crumpler	5	78	15.6	2988	597.6	38.3	13.7	218	43.6	2.795	22	4.4	0.282	10.09%
                        Todd Heap	5	66	13.2	2893	578.6	43.8	11.9	243	48.6	3.7	20	4	0.303	8.23%
                        Jason Witten	3	47	15.7	2084	694.7	44.3	11.09	188	62.7	4	13	4.33	0.276	6.91%
                        														
                        Shannon Sharpe	14	203	14.5	10060	718.6	49.6	12.3	815	58.2	4.01	62	4.429	0.305	7.60%
                        Kellen Winslow	9	109	12.111	6741	749	61.8	12.46	541	60.1	5	45	5	0.41	8.30%
                        Ozzie Newsome	13	198	15.231	7980	613.8	40.3	12.054	662	50.9	3.343	47	3.61	0.24	7.10%
                        Mike Ditka	12	158	15.047	5812	484.3	36.7	13.6	427	35.6	2.7	43	3.58	0.272	10.07%
                        John Mackey	10	139	15.886	5236	523.6	37.67	15.8	331	33.1	2.4	38	3.8	0.273	11.48%
                        Dave Casper	11	147	13.364	5216	474.2	35.5	13.8	378	34.4	2.6	52	4.7	0.35	13.76%
                        Jackie Smith	16	210	15	7918	494.9	37.7	16.5	480	30	2.3	40	2.5	0.19	8.33%
                        Ben Coates	10	150	15	5555	555.5	37	11.13	499	49.9	3.327	50	5	0.33	10.02%
                        Todd Christ.	10	137	13.7	5872	587.2	42.9	12.7	461	46.1	3.365	41	4.1	0.299	8.89%
                        Mark Bavaro	9	126	14	4733	525.9	37.6	13.5	351	39	2.786	39	4.33	0.309	11.11%
                        Brent Jones	11	143	13	5195	472.3	36.3	12.458	417	37.9	2.9	33	3	0.23	7.91%
                        Frank Wycheck	11	155	14.091	5126	466	33.1	10.2	505	45.9	3.258	28	2.54	0.18	5.54%
                        Keith Jackson	9	129	14.333	5283	587	41	11.98	441	49	3.419	49	5.4	0.38	11.11%
                        Ranks:
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                        		G/Y	Yards	Yds/Yr	Yds/G	Yds/Rec	Rec	Rec/Yr	Rec/G	TDs	TDs/Yr	TDs/G	TD:Rec	Points	Av. Rank
                        Tony Gonzalez	1	4	1	3	13	3	1	3	2	2	3	10	46	3.8
                        														
                        Antonio Gates	8	18	2	4	8	18	2	4	15	1	1	2	83	6.916
                        Jeremy Shockey	15	16	4	2	14	15	4	2	18	11	7	18	126	10.5
                        Alge Crumpler	4	15	8	11	4	17	13	14	16	8	12	6	128	10.666
                        Todd Heap	17	17	11	7	16	16	10	7	17	13	10	13	154	12.833
                        Jason Witten	3	19	6	6	18	19	3	6	19	9.5	13	17	138.5	11.542
                        														
                        Shannon Sharpe	10	1	5	5	11	1	6	5	1	7	9	15	76	6.333
                        Kellen Winslow	19	5	3	1	9	4	5	1	7	4.5	2	12	72.5	6.04
                        Ozzie Newsome	5	2	7	9	12	2	7	10	6	15	16	16	107	8.917
                        Mike Ditka	6	7	16	16	5	10	16	16	8	16	15	7	138	11.5
                        John Mackey	2	10	14	13	2	14	18	18	12	14	14	3	134	11.166
                        Dave Casper	16	11	17	18	3	12	17	17	3	6	5	1	126	10.5
                        Jackie Smith	8	3	15	12	1	7	19	19	10	19	18	11	142	11.83
                        Ben Coates	8	8	12	15	17	6	8	11	4	4.5	6	8	107.5	8.958
                        Todd Christ.	14	6	9	8	7	8	11	9	9	12	11	9	113	9.417
                        Mark Bavaro	13	14	13	14	6	13	14	15	11	9.5	8	4.5	135	11.25
                        Brent Jones	18	12	18	17	10	11	15	13	13	17	17	14	175	14.58
                        Frank Wycheck	12	13	19	19	19	5	12	12	14	18	19	19	181	15.08
                        Keith Jackson	11	9	10	10	15	9	9	8	5	3	4	4.5	97.5	8.125

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                        • #27
                          You lost me at Tony Gonzalez is he the best TE any more no but he is still top 3 and a underrated blocker.

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                          • #28
                            DeAngelo Hall is easily the most overrated player in the league, you have to put him on there. And it is funny how Romo is overrated after playing just 10 games, and how Roy Williams is overrated after having a bad 5 game stretch. HMMM.....

                            Oh and there are no eagles up there, how fitting.

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                            • #29
                              QB- Michael Vick
                              RB- Edgerrin James
                              FB- Mike Alstott

                              WR- Terrell Owens
                              WR- Randy Moss

                              TE- Alge Crumpler

                              no offensive lineman are overated imo

                              DE- Dwight Freeney
                              DT- Shaun Rogers
                              DT- Kris Jenkins
                              DE- Patrick Kerney

                              LOLB-Mike Vrabel
                              MLB- Jeremiah Trotter
                              ROLB- Keith Brooking

                              CB- Ty Law
                              SS- Roy Williams
                              FS- Troy Polamalu
                              CB- Nate Clements

                              Mmm.

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                              • #30
                                How is DeAngelo Hall not overrated for you guys? Are you serious? He is the most overrated player in the NFL.

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