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  • #46
    Originally posted by Man_Of_Steel View Post
    QB- Brett Farve
    Nobody really overrates him... He might be overhyped coming into each season because everybody still thinks he is the comeback king, but it's not like everybody has him as a top 5 QB anymore.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
      Ray Lewis is overrated right here right now, at this stage of his career.

      But the most overrated LB in football is Brian Urlacher.

      I think these guys are the most overrated players in football

      SS - Roy Williams
      LB - Brian Urlacher
      DE - Dwight Freeney
      QB - Tony Romo
      WR - Plaxico Burress

      I think that Jay Cutler is slowly becoming overrated on this board, right here right now. Don't get me wrong, I liked him the best of that qb bunch myself, but people are crowning him far too early.
      I would figure that someone with your football intellect would be able to understand Urlacher's game a little bit better.

      Is he the best at finding a hole and plugging it? No. Although he's not nearly as bad as you've made him out to be.

      He is, however, the absolute best linebacker side-to-side that there is in the NFL without question. He's also the best linebacker in coverage in the NFL. He does what he's asked to do in this defense and he does it very well. Often the run up the middle deficiencies that our defense had last year had more to do with weak SS play than anything else.

      Just because he's not the prototypical linebacker that you want him to do be doesn't make him overrated. He's the best player on what is at least a top 3 defense in the NFL and is without question the best player at his position.


      Nobody cares about your stupid fantasy team.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Draft King View Post
        Nobody really overrates him... He might be overhyped coming into each season because everybody still thinks he is the comeback king, but it's not like everybody has him as a top 5 QB anymore.
        A lot of Packers fans do.


        Nobody cares about your stupid fantasy team.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by bearsfan_51 View Post
          A lot of Packers fans do.
          Well other than Packer fans you don't see anyone else overrating him. They consider him God pretty much.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by bearsfan_51 View Post
            I would figure that someone with your football intellect would be able to understand Urlacher's game a little bit better.

            Is he the best at finding a hole and plugging it? No. Although he's not nearly as bad as you've made him out to be.

            He is, however, the absolute best linebacker side-to-side that there is in the NFL without question. He's also the best linebacker in coverage in the NFL. He does what he's asked to do in this defense and he does it very well. Often the run up the middle deficiencies that our defense had last year had more to do with weak SS play than anything else.

            Just because he's not the prototypical linebacker that you want him to do be doesn't make him overrated. He's the best player on what is at least a top 3 defense in the NFL and is without question the best player at his position.
            Ive stated before that he's the perfect Tampa 2 ILB, theres no question about that.

            My problem is when people compare him to other greats in the history of the game. They gas him up way too much. For him to be in that discussion, he needs to be a better run stopper. At the end of the day, a MIKE's job is to stop the run, and Urlacher isn't that great at it. He's upper tier, but I can probably name you 5 MIKEs in the NFL currently that are better than him at that. And like you said, the MIKEs in the NFL are rather weak nowadays.

            Is he the best MIKE in the NFL? Honestly, I rather have Zach Thomas, but he's at the very least the 2nd best, right now. I won't debate that.

            But remember this, Urlacher will fall off harder at the end of his career than Lewis did. He continuously takes bad angles, and isn't the smartest ILB either. When he loses his athleticism, he will become a below average MIKE, because he doesn't have the intangibles to fall back on.

            I think he's overrated not compared to other NFL players, but overrated in the context of history. He's too high on most people's best MIKEs list for the most part.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
              Ive stated before that he's the perfect Tampa 2 ILB, theres no question about that.

              My problem is when people compare him to other greats in the history of the game. They gas him up way too much. For him to be in that discussion, he needs to be a better run stopper. At the end of the day, a MIKE's job is to stop the run, and Urlacher isn't that great at it. He's upper tier, but I can probably name you 5 MIKEs in the NFL currently that are better than him at that. And like you said, the MIKEs in the NFL are rather weak nowadays.

              Is he the best MIKE in the NFL? Honestly, I rather have Zach Thomas, but he's at the very least the 2nd best, right now. I won't debate that.

              But remember this, Urlacher will fall off harder at the end of his career than Lewis did. He continuously takes bad angles, and isn't the smartest ILB either. When he loses his athleticism, he will become a below average MIKE, because he doesn't have the intangibles to fall back on.

              I think he's overrated not compared to other NFL players, but overrated in the context of history. He's too high on most people's best MIKEs list for the most part.
              I wouldn't say that Lewis' raw ability to stop the run was any better than Urlacher's at any point in their respective careers. Keep in mind that in his prime, Lewis had two man-beasts in front of him, whose sole purpose was to keep blockers off of him, whereas Urlacher's defensive scheme has his tackles blowing through a gap and getting upfield.

              Keep in mind, too, that Lewis was pretty average against the run when the Ravens switched to a 3-4. To compensate, Baltimore used Edgerton Hartwell as their plugger, and used Lewis in more of a freelancing/coverage type of role. It should also be dually noted that Ray played a lot worse in that 3-4 defense once Hartwell departed to Atlanta.

              I'd say the one thing that separates the two of them, like you said, is instincts. In terms of run stopping or pass coverage ability, I don't think either one holds an advantage over the other.

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              • #52
                TONY G is uncer rated if anything. THE MOST COMPELTE TE in the game. He will finally have a receiving threat drafted which will allow him to actually b more productive this year.

                Ty Law is the second best CB of the last 10 years. And a top 10 CB all time.

                http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/3820

                What do you expect from a guy thats in his 13th season, 19 ints?

                He is good for about 4-8 ints, maybe a better number 2 CB now.
                my scent?...like making love to a lumberjack
                <TACKLE> i will ngata give you a bj raji
                <+BOE> Scott, with Burfict's character concerns (whether legit or not) you think Pioli would draft him. :D
                <+ScottWright> Why not. Baldwin does need a sparring partner...
                Originally posted by Hermstheman83
                What's with the hate on Ricky Stanzi? Those youtube clips of him with the hulk hogan theme music instantly make him better than Luck.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by yourfavestoner View Post
                  I wouldn't say that Lewis' raw ability to stop the run was any better than Urlacher's at any point in their respective careers. Keep in mind that in his prime, Lewis had two man-beasts in front of him, whose sole purpose was to keep blockers off of him, whereas Urlacher's defensive scheme has his tackles blowing through a gap and getting upfield.

                  Keep in mind, too, that Lewis was pretty average against the run when the Ravens switched to a 3-4. To compensate, Baltimore used Edgerton Hartwell as their plugger, and used Lewis in more of a freelancing/coverage type of role. It should also be dually noted that Ray played a lot worse in that 3-4 defense once Hartwell departed to Atlanta.

                  I'd say the one thing that separates the two of them, like you said, is instincts. In terms of run stopping or pass coverage ability, I don't think either one holds an advantage over the other.
                  Both struggled against offensive linemen, but I think Urlacher struggles a bit more than Lewis did. Not by alot, but Lewis was slightly better at taking on linemen.

                  But Lewis was better at wrapping up against bigger RBs. Urlacher shies away from contact with big burly RBs, or gets owned by em, I saw Lewis take em on head on a decent number of times. Thats where the main difference between them lies in run stuffing. Lewis I feel was a good amount better at bringing down power runners. He would son Eddie George in their infamous duels in the playoffs.

                  I don't think Urlacher would be able to handle Eddie George in his prime the way Lewis did.

                  I don't want to sound like Im saying that Urlacher stinks, because thats not what Im saying. But he is somewhat overrated in the grand scheme of things.

                  And for the record, I don't deem Ray Lewis as a top 3 MIKE in NFL history either.

                  I have Butkus, Lambert, Singletary ahead of him. You can make an argument for other names like Nietzske (however you spell it), and Nobis.

                  Lewis was also more durable in his prime. Remember, before the Cover 2 was implimented, Urlacher also had 2 big burly DTs in front of him. But the role he was asked to be involved in (closer to the LOS, more physical run stuffing presence) led to injuries. He wasn't durable enough to handle that type of role.

                  The Tampa 2 is a blessing for him, because he plays further off and it keeps him away from alot of action and nitty gritty trench work. It keeps him healthy, and it allows him to be the pass coverage specialist that he's built for.
                  Last edited by bigbluedefense; 03-25-2007, 12:39 PM.

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                  • #54
                    I have never seen Urlacher shy away from anyone in my life. Name me some specific games. I think you're getting a lot of this from the one game where Jerome Bettis ran over him in the snow. Jerome Bettis ran over a lot of people.

                    And as I recall, Eddie George usually got the better of Ray Lewis.


                    Nobody cares about your stupid fantasy team.

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                    • #55
                      i think that shawn merriman is overrated. he is a cheater and a liar. he does have nice stats but i think that his impact is not waht it is made out to be. he will never be lawrence taylor. people are over hyping him to make him out to be LT but he will not be. people look for someone to be as good as the best of all time far too much

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by bearsfan_51 View Post
                        I have never seen Urlacher shy away from anyone in my life. Name me some specific games. I think you're getting a lot of this from the one game where Jerome Bettis ran over him in the snow. Jerome Bettis ran over a lot of people.

                        And as I recall, Eddie George usually got the better of Ray Lewis.
                        Ok, I can specifically point out the few times Jacobs got the ball against you guys this past year. If you look back at it, he went untouched several times. In fact, he said he would run right at Urlacher during the week, and he kept his promise. He did run right at him, and Urlacher didn't even challenge him. He just let him go right up the gut. K know, I know, we lost. Got our butts kicked in the 2nd half. Why on earth did Jacobs get so few touches that game, only Tom Coughlin knows.

                        Ive also seen Duckett get the best of him.

                        From what I recall, Lewis would usually win the war against George. Maybe Im basing my opinions too heavily on their playoff games, but from what I saw, Ray held it down.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by bigmac076 View Post
                          You lost your credibility as soon as you post something as childish as "Tony RoHOMO"

                          what else is interesting is that there are 2 Cowboy players and no Eagles players. Not biased at all are we?
                          Also, a Redskin and a Giant.

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                          • #58
                            Oh and Urlacher cost me 500 cheeseburgers in the SB dammit. Thanks alot Urlacher. Way to hit that A gap. I was looking so good after Hester scored. Then Urlacher had to get owned by Jeff Saturday. And screw you too Rivera. Its freaking raining like hell, the deepball wasn't there. Why play so passive? Blitz em, force him to make the throws in the rain off his back foot. The Bears wouldve won the game if it wasn't for Rivera and Urlacher.

                            end rant.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
                              Ok, I can specifically point out the few times Jacobs got the ball against you guys this past year. If you look back at it, he went untouched several times. In fact, he said he would run right at Urlacher during the week, and he kept his promise. He did run right at him, and Urlacher didn't even challenge him. He just let him go right up the gut.
                              Really? A couple of times eh? You sure about that?

                              Cause as I recall, the immortal rushing machine known as Brandon Jacobs ran for a whopping NINE YARDS that game. Nine yards. He went "untouched several times" yet he only ran the ball twice, for nine yards.


                              Back to the drawing board....


                              Nobody cares about your stupid fantasy team.

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                              • #60
                                lol ray lewis overrated

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