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  • #46
    Originally posted by Vikings Fan
    Originally posted by cunningham06
    Originally posted by Vikings Fan
    Originally posted by draftguru151
    Originally posted by Vikings Fan
    Originally posted by draftguru151
    What is that over?
    huh?
    Is that career, last 4 years, what?
    career would be unfair to Tiki so it was last 4 years for the TDs and Yards per season.
    Well of course Clinton is ahead in categories such as YPC since he played in Denver. Tiki just reached his peak really in 2004. He had a 5.2 average last season which Portis has not had since he left Denver. Also last season Tiki only fumbled once while Portis fumbled 3 times.
    So is 'peak' is 29 then this is unfair to Portis since he was only 23! Im not saying they are worlds apart but Id rather have Portis.
    Tiki Barber just peaked later than Portis did. He really found his style in 04 and had the best seasons of his life. Overall I would rather have Portis because he is younger, but as of right now I'd say Tiki is better.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Vikings Fan
      Originally posted by draftguru151
      Originally posted by Vikings Fan
      Originally posted by draftguru151
      What is that over?
      huh?
      Is that career, last 4 years, what?
      career would be unfair to Tiki so it was last 4 years for the TDs and Yards per season.
      Well, let's do it over the past two seasons, as they are the most relevant and accurate seeing as how Portis isn't in that godly Denver running system anymore.

      Carries per fumble:

      Portis: 86

      Barber: 113

      TD per Carry:

      Portis: 43

      Barber: 30

      Carry per Carry 20+ yards:

      Ports: 63

      Barber: 30

      YPC:

      Portis: 4.05

      Barber: 4.95

      TD/Season:

      Portis: 8

      Barber: 11

      Age:

      Portis

      Barber

      Yards per Season:

      Portis: 1415

      Barber: 1689

      As you can see, over the past two years, it hasn't even been close. This isn't even counting receiving stats, where Barber has practically doubled Portis' numbers.

      Like I said, Portis gets the edge in age, and that's about it.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by yourfavestoner
        Originally posted by Vikings Fan
        Originally posted by draftguru151
        Originally posted by Vikings Fan
        Originally posted by draftguru151
        What is that over?
        huh?
        Is that career, last 4 years, what?
        career would be unfair to Tiki so it was last 4 years for the TDs and Yards per season.
        Well, let's do it over the past two seasons, as they are the most recent and are the years Portis was out of that godly Denver running game.

        Carries per fumble:

        Portis: 86

        Barber: 113

        TD per Carry:

        Portis: 43

        Barber: 30

        Carry per Carry 20+ yards:

        Ports: 63

        Barber: 30

        YPC:

        Portis: 4.05

        Barber: 4.95

        TD/Season:

        Portis: 8

        Barber: 11

        Age:

        Portis

        Barber

        Yards per Season:

        Portis: 1415

        Barber: 1689

        As you can see, over the past two years, it hasn't even been close. This isn't even counting receiving stats, where Barber has practically doubled Portis' numbers.

        Like I said, Portis gets the edge in age, and that's about it.
        Good post. Tiki has been better than Portis the last couple of seasons when their lines have been similar as opposed to how much better Denvers run offense was than the Giants. Portis is the better long term back because he has more years left in him.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by yourfavestoner
          Right now? Barber. For the future? Portis.
          Right.

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          • #50
            Nice to see an Eagles fan sticking up for Tiki. Is this because of all the love I gave the Eagles saying if they could improve their pass rush they would be the best team in the East?

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            • #51
              Originally posted by cunningham06
              Originally posted by yourfavestoner
              Originally posted by Vikings Fan
              Originally posted by draftguru151
              Originally posted by Vikings Fan
              Originally posted by draftguru151
              What is that over?
              huh?
              Is that career, last 4 years, what?
              career would be unfair to Tiki so it was last 4 years for the TDs and Yards per season.
              Well, let's do it over the past two seasons, as they are the most recent and are the years Portis was out of that godly Denver running game.

              Carries per fumble:

              Portis: 86

              Barber: 113

              TD per Carry:

              Portis: 43

              Barber: 30

              Carry per Carry 20+ yards:

              Ports: 63

              Barber: 30

              YPC:

              Portis: 4.05

              Barber: 4.95

              TD/Season:

              Portis: 8

              Barber: 11

              Age:

              Portis

              Barber

              Yards per Season:

              Portis: 1415

              Barber: 1689

              As you can see, over the past two years, it hasn't even been close. This isn't even counting receiving stats, where Barber has practically doubled Portis' numbers.

              Like I said, Portis gets the edge in age, and that's about it.
              Good post. Tiki has been better than Portis the last couple of seasons when their lines have been similar as opposed to how much better Denvers run offense was than the Giants. Portis is the better long term back because he has more years left in him.
              People just throw the fact that Portis was in a power running system out the window dont they......

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              • #52
                Originally posted by SeanTaylor21
                Originally posted by cunningham06
                Originally posted by yourfavestoner
                Originally posted by Vikings Fan
                Originally posted by draftguru151
                Originally posted by Vikings Fan
                Originally posted by draftguru151
                What is that over?
                huh?
                Is that career, last 4 years, what?
                career would be unfair to Tiki so it was last 4 years for the TDs and Yards per season.
                Well, let's do it over the past two seasons, as they are the most recent and are the years Portis was out of that godly Denver running game.

                Carries per fumble:

                Portis: 86

                Barber: 113

                TD per Carry:

                Portis: 43

                Barber: 30

                Carry per Carry 20+ yards:

                Ports: 63

                Barber: 30

                YPC:

                Portis: 4.05

                Barber: 4.95

                TD/Season:

                Portis: 8

                Barber: 11

                Age:

                Portis

                Barber

                Yards per Season:

                Portis: 1415

                Barber: 1689

                As you can see, over the past two years, it hasn't even been close. This isn't even counting receiving stats, where Barber has practically doubled Portis' numbers.

                Like I said, Portis gets the edge in age, and that's about it.
                Good post. Tiki has been better than Portis the last couple of seasons when their lines have been similar as opposed to how much better Denvers run offense was than the Giants. Portis is the better long term back because he has more years left in him.
                People just throw the fact that Portis was in a power running system out the window dont they......
                I don't get that argument. Can't you say that Larry Johnson was in a power running system.

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                • #53
                  It's Portis by far for me.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Jughead10
                    Originally posted by SeanTaylor21
                    Originally posted by cunningham06
                    Originally posted by yourfavestoner
                    Originally posted by Vikings Fan
                    Originally posted by draftguru151
                    Originally posted by Vikings Fan
                    Originally posted by draftguru151
                    What is that over?
                    huh?
                    Is that career, last 4 years, what?
                    career would be unfair to Tiki so it was last 4 years for the TDs and Yards per season.
                    Well, let's do it over the past two seasons, as they are the most recent and are the years Portis was out of that godly Denver running game.

                    Carries per fumble:

                    Portis: 86

                    Barber: 113

                    TD per Carry:

                    Portis: 43

                    Barber: 30

                    Carry per Carry 20+ yards:

                    Ports: 63

                    Barber: 30

                    YPC:

                    Portis: 4.05

                    Barber: 4.95

                    TD/Season:

                    Portis: 8

                    Barber: 11

                    Age:

                    Portis

                    Barber

                    Yards per Season:

                    Portis: 1415

                    Barber: 1689

                    As you can see, over the past two years, it hasn't even been close. This isn't even counting receiving stats, where Barber has practically doubled Portis' numbers.

                    Like I said, Portis gets the edge in age, and that's about it.
                    Good post. Tiki has been better than Portis the last couple of seasons when their lines have been similar as opposed to how much better Denvers run offense was than the Giants. Portis is the better long term back because he has more years left in him.
                    People just throw the fact that Portis was in a power running system out the window dont they......
                    I don't get that argument. Can't you say that Larry Johnson was in a power running system.

                    The argument is that portis is not built for a power running game, its the complete opposite of his ablities yet he still did a good job.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by SeanTaylor21
                      Originally posted by Jughead10
                      Originally posted by SeanTaylor21
                      Originally posted by cunningham06
                      Originally posted by yourfavestoner
                      Originally posted by Vikings Fan
                      Originally posted by draftguru151
                      Originally posted by Vikings Fan
                      Originally posted by draftguru151
                      What is that over?
                      huh?
                      Is that career, last 4 years, what?
                      career would be unfair to Tiki so it was last 4 years for the TDs and Yards per season.
                      Well, let's do it over the past two seasons, as they are the most recent and are the years Portis was out of that godly Denver running game.

                      Carries per fumble:

                      Portis: 86

                      Barber: 113

                      TD per Carry:

                      Portis: 43

                      Barber: 30

                      Carry per Carry 20+ yards:

                      Ports: 63

                      Barber: 30

                      YPC:

                      Portis: 4.05

                      Barber: 4.95

                      TD/Season:

                      Portis: 8

                      Barber: 11

                      Age:

                      Portis

                      Barber

                      Yards per Season:

                      Portis: 1415

                      Barber: 1689

                      As you can see, over the past two years, it hasn't even been close. This isn't even counting receiving stats, where Barber has practically doubled Portis' numbers.

                      Like I said, Portis gets the edge in age, and that's about it.
                      Good post. Tiki has been better than Portis the last couple of seasons when their lines have been similar as opposed to how much better Denvers run offense was than the Giants. Portis is the better long term back because he has more years left in him.
                      People just throw the fact that Portis was in a power running system out the window dont they......
                      I don't get that argument. Can't you say that Larry Johnson was in a power running system.

                      The argument is that portis is not built for a power running game, its the complete opposite of his ablities yet he still did a good job.
                      That just proves my point even further. Barber is even smaller than Portis and has done better in a power running scheme. Now just imagine what Barber would do in two years in Denver.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by yourfavestoner
                        Originally posted by SeanTaylor21
                        Originally posted by Jughead10
                        Originally posted by SeanTaylor21
                        Originally posted by cunningham06
                        Originally posted by yourfavestoner
                        Originally posted by Vikings Fan
                        Originally posted by draftguru151
                        Originally posted by Vikings Fan
                        Originally posted by draftguru151
                        What is that over?
                        huh?
                        Is that career, last 4 years, what?
                        career would be unfair to Tiki so it was last 4 years for the TDs and Yards per season.
                        Well, let's do it over the past two seasons, as they are the most recent and are the years Portis was out of that godly Denver running game.

                        Carries per fumble:

                        Portis: 86

                        Barber: 113

                        TD per Carry:

                        Portis: 43

                        Barber: 30

                        Carry per Carry 20+ yards:

                        Ports: 63

                        Barber: 30

                        YPC:

                        Portis: 4.05

                        Barber: 4.95

                        TD/Season:

                        Portis: 8

                        Barber: 11

                        Age:

                        Portis

                        Barber

                        Yards per Season:

                        Portis: 1415

                        Barber: 1689

                        As you can see, over the past two years, it hasn't even been close. This isn't even counting receiving stats, where Barber has practically doubled Portis' numbers.

                        Like I said, Portis gets the edge in age, and that's about it.
                        Good post. Tiki has been better than Portis the last couple of seasons when their lines have been similar as opposed to how much better Denvers run offense was than the Giants. Portis is the better long term back because he has more years left in him.
                        People just throw the fact that Portis was in a power running system out the window dont they......
                        I don't get that argument. Can't you say that Larry Johnson was in a power running system.

                        The argument is that portis is not built for a power running game, its the complete opposite of his ablities yet he still did a good job.
                        That just proves my point even further. Barber is even smaller than Portis and has done better in a power running scheme. Now just imagine what Barber would do in two years in Denver.
                        Um, barber plays in a cutback running scheme what are you talking about?

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                        • #57
                          The majority of the Giants running plays are powers, traps, and counters. That's what I'm talking about.

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                          • #58
                            There is a difference between playing in a cutback running scheme, and a running back making cuts to avoid defenders. Tiki just has a knack for never taking a hard hit.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Jughead10
                              There is a difference between playing in a cutback running scheme, and a running back making cuts to avoid defenders. Tiki just has a knack for never taking a hard hit.
                              Exactly. The only scheme that can actually be designated as a "cutback" scheme is one with an emphasis in zone blocking.

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                              • #60
                                CP gets my vote.
                                Pugnacity, testosterone, truculence, and belligerence.

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