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  • #61
    Originally posted by bigbluedefense
    Originally posted by bearsfan_51
    Originally posted by bigbluedefense
    But when you get into the playoffs, where teams study tape more thoroughly and divise gameplans etc, Cover 2 lays a big egg. Only one Cover 2 team has not choked in the playoffs, and that was the year Tampa won the SB. Look at Cover 2 every other year, they always choked in the playoffs. This year alone, the Bears, Colts, and Bucs all choked in the playoffs.

    The Bears defense in the playoffs this year gave up more yards than the Giants to the Panthers....and the Giants played that game with 4th string LBs...we were a walking bruise. Yet the Bears gave up more yards. What does that tell you?
    It doesn't really tell you anything at all. The Bears had a bad game. The Bears also scored points on offense which forced the Panthers to continue passing the ball whereas the Giants laid big egg on the offensive side of the ball allowing the Panthers to more or less run the clock out in the 4th quarter.

    As for the cover 2 choking in the playoffs, the 2002 Bucs team was not the only sucessful Bucs team. They almost made the Superbowl in 1999 as well. The cover 2 hasn't been around that long to judge it by those standards.
    Thats not necessarily true. The Panthers came out scoring early and often. If you compare 1st half to 1st half, the Panthers put up way more yards against the bears, and the Bears didn't make it interesting until like halfway through the 2nd quarter.

    I have nothing against the Bear's defensive players, I actually like the Bears, I enjoy rooting for the old school teams. I have a problem with the system. Even diehard bears fans will tell you theyre not really thrilled with the Cover 2. I know the days of the 46 Bear are gone, but a conventional 4-3 would be better imo. Even Urlacher himself said he doesn't particularly like Cover 2. I think he even said he hated it, but I'm not sure, so I won't say he did.

    I think my main problem with Cover 2 is its vulnerability to power runners. Im a fan of old school football, and I cannot consider a defense the best if it has any type of vulnerability against the run. The best defense is a defense that can line it up and take on any running back any time any where. This game hasn't changed much. Its still all about running the ball and stopping the run. And if a defense is vulnerable to a certain run style, I simply cannot call it the best.

    I know youre probably sick of hearing this, but take the Pitt game for example. When Chicago and Pitt both flexed their muscles, Pitt destroyed the Bears. That straight up muscle style will destroy Cover 2. Whereas a Pittsburgh for example, can line it up and muscle up against the Bears one week, then the next week spread it out and take on the Colts. They might not have the best statistical defense, but to me thats a better defense. Thats what I'm trying to say. Cover 2 has limitations. It cannot play man defense effectively, it cannot take on Big wide receivers in the vertical game, it has problems with power runners, has problems with big strong offensive lines, and its a simple playbook that will not surprise/confuse anybody which further limits its effectiveness in the postseason when teams are able to look at a year's worth of tape and dissect a defense and attack its tendencies. Cover 2 doesn't really have a counter strategy for this.
    your wrong about it not being confusing, especially with the Bears. The Bears are considered one of the hardest teams to "read" on offense. They disguise their coverage better than 90% of the NFL. THey just had a bad game. This year i guarantee they will do better. But as to stopping the run, in Pitts did you notice the snow? The strength of our D-Line is to get upfield, and with the snow on the field they had problems doing that because they were sliding. Yes the Bus destroyed them, yes he ran over ppl. But id still say that on any other day without snow the Bears D wins.
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    • #62
      Originally posted by Simms2Clayton
      Originally posted by Patriots-Lions
      If the Panthers stay healthy, they should be the best.
      1. Panthers
      2. Bucs
      3. NFC South is awesome
      Until they play da Bears. They swept the South last year.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Bearsfan123
        Originally posted by bigbluedefense
        Originally posted by bearsfan_51
        Originally posted by bigbluedefense
        But when you get into the playoffs, where teams study tape more thoroughly and divise gameplans etc, Cover 2 lays a big egg. Only one Cover 2 team has not choked in the playoffs, and that was the year Tampa won the SB. Look at Cover 2 every other year, they always choked in the playoffs. This year alone, the Bears, Colts, and Bucs all choked in the playoffs.

        The Bears defense in the playoffs this year gave up more yards than the Giants to the Panthers....and the Giants played that game with 4th string LBs...we were a walking bruise. Yet the Bears gave up more yards. What does that tell you?
        It doesn't really tell you anything at all. The Bears had a bad game. The Bears also scored points on offense which forced the Panthers to continue passing the ball whereas the Giants laid big egg on the offensive side of the ball allowing the Panthers to more or less run the clock out in the 4th quarter.

        As for the cover 2 choking in the playoffs, the 2002 Bucs team was not the only sucessful Bucs team. They almost made the Superbowl in 1999 as well. The cover 2 hasn't been around that long to judge it by those standards.
        Thats not necessarily true. The Panthers came out scoring early and often. If you compare 1st half to 1st half, the Panthers put up way more yards against the bears, and the Bears didn't make it interesting until like halfway through the 2nd quarter.

        I have nothing against the Bear's defensive players, I actually like the Bears, I enjoy rooting for the old school teams. I have a problem with the system. Even diehard bears fans will tell you theyre not really thrilled with the Cover 2. I know the days of the 46 Bear are gone, but a conventional 4-3 would be better imo. Even Urlacher himself said he doesn't particularly like Cover 2. I think he even said he hated it, but I'm not sure, so I won't say he did.

        I think my main problem with Cover 2 is its vulnerability to power runners. Im a fan of old school football, and I cannot consider a defense the best if it has any type of vulnerability against the run. The best defense is a defense that can line it up and take on any running back any time any where. This game hasn't changed much. Its still all about running the ball and stopping the run. And if a defense is vulnerable to a certain run style, I simply cannot call it the best.

        I know youre probably sick of hearing this, but take the Pitt game for example. When Chicago and Pitt both flexed their muscles, Pitt destroyed the Bears. That straight up muscle style will destroy Cover 2. Whereas a Pittsburgh for example, can line it up and muscle up against the Bears one week, then the next week spread it out and take on the Colts. They might not have the best statistical defense, but to me thats a better defense. Thats what I'm trying to say. Cover 2 has limitations. It cannot play man defense effectively, it cannot take on Big wide receivers in the vertical game, it has problems with power runners, has problems with big strong offensive lines, and its a simple playbook that will not surprise/confuse anybody which further limits its effectiveness in the postseason when teams are able to look at a year's worth of tape and dissect a defense and attack its tendencies. Cover 2 doesn't really have a counter strategy for this.
        your wrong about it not being confusing, especially with the Bears. The Bears are considered one of the hardest teams to "read" on offense. They disguise their coverage better than 90% of the NFL. THey just had a bad game. This year i guarantee they will do better. But as to stopping the run, in Pitts did you notice the snow? The strength of our D-Line is to get upfield, and with the snow on the field they had problems doing that because they were sliding. Yes the Bus destroyed them, yes he ran over ppl. But id still say that on any other day without snow the Bears D wins.
        I could be wrong since I didn't see every single game last year, only the national ones for the Bears, but what do they do thats so exotic? I noticed they pretty much rush the front 4 and drop everyone back, or they come with a blitz where they send the MIKE and WILL at the qb. I really didn't notice any zone blitzing. I noticed some line stunts, buts thats about it. An occasional safety blitz, but you saw it coming from a mile away. It seems like chaos because theyre so fast, but I personally didn't notice any exotic plays.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Bearsfan123
          Originally posted by bigbluedefense
          Originally posted by bearsfan_51
          Originally posted by bigbluedefense
          But when you get into the playoffs, where teams study tape more thoroughly and divise gameplans etc, Cover 2 lays a big egg. Only one Cover 2 team has not choked in the playoffs, and that was the year Tampa won the SB. Look at Cover 2 every other year, they always choked in the playoffs. This year alone, the Bears, Colts, and Bucs all choked in the playoffs.

          The Bears defense in the playoffs this year gave up more yards than the Giants to the Panthers....and the Giants played that game with 4th string LBs...we were a walking bruise. Yet the Bears gave up more yards. What does that tell you?
          It doesn't really tell you anything at all. The Bears had a bad game. The Bears also scored points on offense which forced the Panthers to continue passing the ball whereas the Giants laid big egg on the offensive side of the ball allowing the Panthers to more or less run the clock out in the 4th quarter.

          As for the cover 2 choking in the playoffs, the 2002 Bucs team was not the only sucessful Bucs team. They almost made the Superbowl in 1999 as well. The cover 2 hasn't been around that long to judge it by those standards.
          Thats not necessarily true. The Panthers came out scoring early and often. If you compare 1st half to 1st half, the Panthers put up way more yards against the bears, and the Bears didn't make it interesting until like halfway through the 2nd quarter.

          I have nothing against the Bear's defensive players, I actually like the Bears, I enjoy rooting for the old school teams. I have a problem with the system. Even diehard bears fans will tell you theyre not really thrilled with the Cover 2. I know the days of the 46 Bear are gone, but a conventional 4-3 would be better imo. Even Urlacher himself said he doesn't particularly like Cover 2. I think he even said he hated it, but I'm not sure, so I won't say he did.

          I think my main problem with Cover 2 is its vulnerability to power runners. Im a fan of old school football, and I cannot consider a defense the best if it has any type of vulnerability against the run. The best defense is a defense that can line it up and take on any running back any time any where. This game hasn't changed much. Its still all about running the ball and stopping the run. And if a defense is vulnerable to a certain run style, I simply cannot call it the best.

          I know youre probably sick of hearing this, but take the Pitt game for example. When Chicago and Pitt both flexed their muscles, Pitt destroyed the Bears. That straight up muscle style will destroy Cover 2. Whereas a Pittsburgh for example, can line it up and muscle up against the Bears one week, then the next week spread it out and take on the Colts. They might not have the best statistical defense, but to me thats a better defense. Thats what I'm trying to say. Cover 2 has limitations. It cannot play man defense effectively, it cannot take on Big wide receivers in the vertical game, it has problems with power runners, has problems with big strong offensive lines, and its a simple playbook that will not surprise/confuse anybody which further limits its effectiveness in the postseason when teams are able to look at a year's worth of tape and dissect a defense and attack its tendencies. Cover 2 doesn't really have a counter strategy for this.
          your wrong about it not being confusing, especially with the Bears. The Bears are considered one of the hardest teams to "read" on offense. They disguise their coverage better than 90% of the NFL. THey just had a bad game. This year i guarantee they will do better. But as to stopping the run, in Pitts did you notice the snow? The strength of our D-Line is to get upfield, and with the snow on the field they had problems doing that because they were sliding. Yes the Bus destroyed them, yes he ran over ppl. But id still say that on any other day without snow the Bears D wins.
          '

          Portis had a nice day against the bears D also. They have a problems with power running games.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Simms2Clayton
            Originally posted by Patriots-Lions
            If the Panthers stay healthy, they should be the best.
            1. Panthers
            2. Bucs
            3. NFC South is awesome
            wow i love how you call everyone else a homer but youre one of the biggest on the site. how can you seriously think that your elderley defense is better than the bears, cowboys, redskins, ravens and a few other teams. theyre a top 10 defense but come on.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Shiver
              Originally posted by Patriots-Lions
              If the Panthers stay healthy, they should be the best.

              They're Linebackers and Safeties aren't half as good as Chicago's.
              Their LB aren't as good, but they're not that far behind either. Morgan is one of the most underrated players in the NFL and Keith Adams is a pretty solid player. I'm going to hold judgement on Chris Harris and Thomas Davis as they were rookies. But I don't think Harris/Brown are THAT much better than Minter/Williams. Also DL and CB are the most important parts of a defense, and Carolina beats Chicago in both those areas, although Chicago's DL isn't that far behind Carolina.

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              • #67
                Well it looks liek we have the third best D
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                • #68
                  i dont know why anyone is voting aginst the bears, they had the best defense last year and until another defense dos better you cant go against them

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                  • #69
                    i think the ravens are the best now that ray is back

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by nathan
                      i think the ravens are the best now that ray is back
                      It's not so much that Ray is back, so much as it's that he should be more free to do his job this year with the drafting of Ngata. I think the Ravens are definitely a top 10 D, but not the best. Maybe top 5. We'll see.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by duckseason
                        Originally posted by nathan
                        i think the ravens are the best now that ray is back
                        It's not so much that Ray is back, so much as it's that he should be more free to do his job this year with the drafting of Ngata. I think the Ravens are definitely a top 10 D, but not the best. Maybe top 5. We'll see.
                        I really like there secondary too. There defense is put together very well.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by stephenson86
                          i dont know why anyone is voting aginst the bears, they had the best defense last year and until another defense dos better you cant go against them
                          Well you have got the:
                          a) Bucs fans in denile:
                          They had to start their starting D all season, where as the Bears starters got to sit out week 17 to prevent injury. Add a coach who wants to keep his job (Tice) and he destroys the 2nd and 3rd team players on the Bears defense. So Bucs fans can think what they want, when the Bears starters are in they are better, and proved to be better in their own scheme.

                          b) Homers

                          C) CAROLINA IS BEASTLY

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by bearfan54
                            Originally posted by stephenson86
                            i dont know why anyone is voting aginst the bears, they had the best defense last year and until another defense dos better you cant go against them
                            Well you have got the:
                            a) Bucs fans in denile:
                            They had to start their starting D all season, where as the Bears starters got to sit out week 17 to prevent injury. Add a coach who wants to keep his job (Tice) and he destroys the 2nd and 3rd team players on the Bears defense. So Bucs fans can think what they want, when the Bears starters are in they are better, and proved to be better in their own scheme.

                            b) Homers

                            C) CAROLINA IS BEASTLY
                            Maybe. As a Buc fan I can't say that they were the best D last year. I think they were and still will be in the cream of the crop this year along with Chicago, Pitt, and Carolina. Who's the best, beats the hell out of me, and I don't care. I saw what the Bucs did to the Skins in the playoffs and it was impressive despite the loss. Bears had a damn good D too, which is young, Carolina definitely has some scary players.

                            And for the "the Bucs D is old" crowd - I'll believe it when I see it because I've been hearing that for about 3 years now. At the end of the day I'm more concerned about the Bucs O than their D (I imagine Bears fans feel the same way).

                            The Bears remind me a lot of the Bucs of about 10 years ago, but slightly less talented overall.
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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by SeanTaylor21
                              Originally posted by Bearsfan123
                              Originally posted by bigbluedefense
                              Originally posted by bearsfan_51
                              Originally posted by bigbluedefense
                              But when you get into the playoffs, where teams study tape more thoroughly and divise gameplans etc, Cover 2 lays a big egg. Only one Cover 2 team has not choked in the playoffs, and that was the year Tampa won the SB. Look at Cover 2 every other year, they always choked in the playoffs. This year alone, the Bears, Colts, and Bucs all choked in the playoffs.

                              The Bears defense in the playoffs this year gave up more yards than the Giants to the Panthers....and the Giants played that game with 4th string LBs...we were a walking bruise. Yet the Bears gave up more yards. What does that tell you?
                              It doesn't really tell you anything at all. The Bears had a bad game. The Bears also scored points on offense which forced the Panthers to continue passing the ball whereas the Giants laid big egg on the offensive side of the ball allowing the Panthers to more or less run the clock out in the 4th quarter.

                              As for the cover 2 choking in the playoffs, the 2002 Bucs team was not the only sucessful Bucs team. They almost made the Superbowl in 1999 as well. The cover 2 hasn't been around that long to judge it by those standards.
                              Thats not necessarily true. The Panthers came out scoring early and often. If you compare 1st half to 1st half, the Panthers put up way more yards against the bears, and the Bears didn't make it interesting until like halfway through the 2nd quarter.

                              I have nothing against the Bear's defensive players, I actually like the Bears, I enjoy rooting for the old school teams. I have a problem with the system. Even diehard bears fans will tell you theyre not really thrilled with the Cover 2. I know the days of the 46 Bear are gone, but a conventional 4-3 would be better imo. Even Urlacher himself said he doesn't particularly like Cover 2. I think he even said he hated it, but I'm not sure, so I won't say he did.

                              I think my main problem with Cover 2 is its vulnerability to power runners. Im a fan of old school football, and I cannot consider a defense the best if it has any type of vulnerability against the run. The best defense is a defense that can line it up and take on any running back any time any where. This game hasn't changed much. Its still all about running the ball and stopping the run. And if a defense is vulnerable to a certain run style, I simply cannot call it the best.

                              I know youre probably sick of hearing this, but take the Pitt game for example. When Chicago and Pitt both flexed their muscles, Pitt destroyed the Bears. That straight up muscle style will destroy Cover 2. Whereas a Pittsburgh for example, can line it up and muscle up against the Bears one week, then the next week spread it out and take on the Colts. They might not have the best statistical defense, but to me thats a better defense. Thats what I'm trying to say. Cover 2 has limitations. It cannot play man defense effectively, it cannot take on Big wide receivers in the vertical game, it has problems with power runners, has problems with big strong offensive lines, and its a simple playbook that will not surprise/confuse anybody which further limits its effectiveness in the postseason when teams are able to look at a year's worth of tape and dissect a defense and attack its tendencies. Cover 2 doesn't really have a counter strategy for this.
                              your wrong about it not being confusing, especially with the Bears. The Bears are considered one of the hardest teams to "read" on offense. They disguise their coverage better than 90% of the NFL. THey just had a bad game. This year i guarantee they will do better. But as to stopping the run, in Pitts did you notice the snow? The strength of our D-Line is to get upfield, and with the snow on the field they had problems doing that because they were sliding. Yes the Bus destroyed them, yes he ran over ppl. But id still say that on any other day without snow the Bears D wins.
                              '

                              Portis had a nice day against the bears D also. They have a problems with power running games.
                              ^ that arguement annoys me. Yeah he rushed for some nice yards but in crunch time the D held strong. They didnt score a td, so Portis didnt get in the endzone, how is that a "nice day"?
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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Bearsfan123
                                Originally posted by SeanTaylor21
                                Originally posted by Bearsfan123
                                Originally posted by bigbluedefense
                                Originally posted by bearsfan_51
                                Originally posted by bigbluedefense
                                But when you get into the playoffs, where teams study tape more thoroughly and divise gameplans etc, Cover 2 lays a big egg. Only one Cover 2 team has not choked in the playoffs, and that was the year Tampa won the SB. Look at Cover 2 every other year, they always choked in the playoffs. This year alone, the Bears, Colts, and Bucs all choked in the playoffs.

                                The Bears defense in the playoffs this year gave up more yards than the Giants to the Panthers....and the Giants played that game with 4th string LBs...we were a walking bruise. Yet the Bears gave up more yards. What does that tell you?
                                It doesn't really tell you anything at all. The Bears had a bad game. The Bears also scored points on offense which forced the Panthers to continue passing the ball whereas the Giants laid big egg on the offensive side of the ball allowing the Panthers to more or less run the clock out in the 4th quarter.

                                As for the cover 2 choking in the playoffs, the 2002 Bucs team was not the only sucessful Bucs team. They almost made the Superbowl in 1999 as well. The cover 2 hasn't been around that long to judge it by those standards.
                                Thats not necessarily true. The Panthers came out scoring early and often. If you compare 1st half to 1st half, the Panthers put up way more yards against the bears, and the Bears didn't make it interesting until like halfway through the 2nd quarter.

                                I have nothing against the Bear's defensive players, I actually like the Bears, I enjoy rooting for the old school teams. I have a problem with the system. Even diehard bears fans will tell you theyre not really thrilled with the Cover 2. I know the days of the 46 Bear are gone, but a conventional 4-3 would be better imo. Even Urlacher himself said he doesn't particularly like Cover 2. I think he even said he hated it, but I'm not sure, so I won't say he did.

                                I think my main problem with Cover 2 is its vulnerability to power runners. Im a fan of old school football, and I cannot consider a defense the best if it has any type of vulnerability against the run. The best defense is a defense that can line it up and take on any running back any time any where. This game hasn't changed much. Its still all about running the ball and stopping the run. And if a defense is vulnerable to a certain run style, I simply cannot call it the best.

                                I know youre probably sick of hearing this, but take the Pitt game for example. When Chicago and Pitt both flexed their muscles, Pitt destroyed the Bears. That straight up muscle style will destroy Cover 2. Whereas a Pittsburgh for example, can line it up and muscle up against the Bears one week, then the next week spread it out and take on the Colts. They might not have the best statistical defense, but to me thats a better defense. Thats what I'm trying to say. Cover 2 has limitations. It cannot play man defense effectively, it cannot take on Big wide receivers in the vertical game, it has problems with power runners, has problems with big strong offensive lines, and its a simple playbook that will not surprise/confuse anybody which further limits its effectiveness in the postseason when teams are able to look at a year's worth of tape and dissect a defense and attack its tendencies. Cover 2 doesn't really have a counter strategy for this.
                                your wrong about it not being confusing, especially with the Bears. The Bears are considered one of the hardest teams to "read" on offense. They disguise their coverage better than 90% of the NFL. THey just had a bad game. This year i guarantee they will do better. But as to stopping the run, in Pitts did you notice the snow? The strength of our D-Line is to get upfield, and with the snow on the field they had problems doing that because they were sliding. Yes the Bus destroyed them, yes he ran over ppl. But id still say that on any other day without snow the Bears D wins.
                                '

                                Portis had a nice day against the bears D also. They have a problems with power running games.
                                ^ that arguement annoys me. Yeah he rushed for some nice yards but in crunch time the D held strong. They didnt score a td, so Portis didnt get in the endzone, how is that a "nice day"?
                                Why would the truth annoy you? 21 carries for 121 yards sounds like a good day to me. And Betts had 12 carries for 41 yards. Thats roughly a 6 yard per carry avg for Portis, and roughly 4 ypc for Betts. Yu cannot correlate redzone offense with just the run. There are multiple factors for poor redzone execution. And while the ineptness of your offense was mostly the reason for the loss, you guys still lost the game. That has to count for something as well...even though I personally give the D a pass on that one.

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