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  • #16
    Thornton and June have no business being on this poll. Not trying to attack you or anything, but putting their names up there is a joke. June has had only one nice season, after being a late round pick in a system that accentuates his strengths while minimizing his weaknesses, and Thornton has just been "good", not anywhere in the vicinity of "best". Both of those guys should be stricken from this poll.

    On top of that, since when did we allow someone who hasn't even been a starter on his own team to be on a poll for who is the best in the league? Seriously. LaVar Arrington hasn't done one damn thing since 03, how can he possibly be included in this discussion? Is it just because you were grasping for big names and you don't really know who the cream is at this position, or what? If we're voting for "most talented", then he definitely belongs here, but it has been my understanding that this isn't the question.

    Peterson, as well, hasn't been that great since 03. He had that Achilles injury that ended his 04 season, and then he was never quite the same last year....but he's at least in the neighbourhood.

    Also, if we're doing a seperate poll for the 3-4 teams, then why is Porter on this poll? He is first and foremost a rush 'Backer. As a pure LB, he would still be good, but not that good. Definitely not good enough to be mentioned among the best.

    But anyway, I digress. Bulluck is most definitely the guy at the OLB spot right now. With Peterson's injuries, LaVar's regression and Brooks decline from age, he is the lone guy standing at the top of the mountain. But there are some nice up and comers that will be in the mix over the next couple of seasons. Briggs is a very very good player, but I want to see him refine his game a little before I start considering him in this conversation. Derrick Johnson has a great shot to be here in 2 or 3 years.

    Also, shouldn't Will Witherspoon be up there? He was infinitely better than LaVar or Julian last year, and clearly ahead of David Thornton. He should be on the list before those guys, at least.

    Takeo, as well, is a great player. I would personally omit him as because of the injury thing, and we won't know how well he's going to recover from it for quite awhile, but as long as other injury cases are included, he should definitely be as well. Before it happened, he was awesome.
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    • #17
      I said Derrick Brooks.

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      • #18
        This is another position that depends on scheme. If we're talking about 3-4 defenses, then guys like Merriman, Ware, Porter, Vrabel etc should be on the list, coupled with some DEs capable of playing the position, ie Umenyiora, Peppers, Taylor, etc. Also there should be a distinction between WILL and SAM, both have different responsibilities.

        Again, if we're talking 4-3 defenses, then your list for the most part is accurate, but if we're talking about 3-4 defenses, then the list is thrown out the window.

        I think you should clarify in your post that you are building a 4-3 defense. That will make things simpler.

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        • #19
          Also, if anything, I would put Strahan at LE and Peppers at RE. That would probably better utlilize both their skill sets.

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          • #20
            LAVAR

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            • #21
              Originally posted by LTgiants
              LAVAR
              If Lavar wasn't on the Giants would you say that? He's there based largely on name-recognition and slightly potential alone. Brookings, Brooks, Bullucks, and Briggs are all better choices.


              Nobody cares about your stupid fantasy team.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by bearsfan_51
                Originally posted by LTgiants
                LAVAR
                If Lavar wasn't on the Giants would you say that? He's there based largely on name-recognition and slightly potential alone. Brookings, Brooks, Bullucks, and Briggs are all better choices.
                I'd say those guys are. Not sold on Briggs yet. Between what Lavar has done in the past and what he flashed in the playoffs when the Skins actually let him play, I'm still putting him ahead of Briggs. I'm just not sold on Lance. He really benefits from the system and having Urlacher next to him. Also the willingness the Bears seem to have with him walking next year is quite perculiar.

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                • #23
                  I voted for Derrick Brooks.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Jughead10
                    Originally posted by bearsfan_51
                    Originally posted by LTgiants
                    LAVAR
                    If Lavar wasn't on the Giants would you say that? He's there based largely on name-recognition and slightly potential alone. Brookings, Brooks, Bullucks, and Briggs are all better choices.
                    I'd say those guys are. Not sold on Briggs yet. Between what Lavar has done in the past and what he flashed in the playoffs when the Skins actually let him play, I'm still putting him ahead of Briggs. I'm just not sold on Lance. He really benefits from the system and having Urlacher next to him. Also the willingness the Bears seem to have with him walking next year is quite perculiar.
                    I just put Briggs in there because he also has a last name with a B.

                    He certainly benefits from playing alongside Urlacher. Briggs is just really really good, but I don't consider him elite. The Bears offered a 5 year deal that average around 6 million a year and he turned it down, that was about the end of their conversation. They might franchise him this year but Angelo has never used the tag before and they might not deem him worthy of it.


                    Nobody cares about your stupid fantasy team.

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                    • #25
                      If you're differentiating both OLB spots (strong and weakside), I'd go Keith Bulluck as the WILL and Marcus Washington as the SAM.

                      Overall, since I can only vote for one I went with Keith.

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                      • #26
                        the only undeserving person on here is David Thornton

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                        • #27
                          Lavar does not deserve to be on this list. The guy must prove to us all that he was not utilized the proper way, and that his football skill can mirror his physical talent. He gets that oppurtunity with the Giants, who will use him as a rushbacker, but until he gets on that field and proves his worth he does not deserve to be on the list.

                          Me personally, Im not entirely sold on Lavar. I have to see it first. Im worried about his durability and his football IQ. Physically, hes a beast, but football isn't just about who can run fast. Like I told some of my kids when I coached peewee football, I don't care if you can run fast, I care if youre running in the right direction. And Lavar doesn't always do that.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Pit Bull #53
                            If you're differentiating both OLB spots (strong and weakside), I'd go Keith Bulluck as the WILL and Marcus Washington as the SAM.

                            Overall, since I can only vote for one I went with Keith.
                            The best way to look at this could be to pick the person who you think could play both the WILL and the SAM at the highest level.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Patriots-Lions
                              I said Derrick Brooks.
                              He is the only future Hall of Famer on that list. Derrick Brooks #1, Keith Bulluck #2 imo.

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                              • #30
                                Easy it is Keith Bulluck

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