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  • Is Marvin Lewis's defensive "genius" overrated?

    Im a fan of Marvin Lewis. He is a great head coach. But the question is...is he overrated as a defensive genius? He was the defensive coordinator of the Ravens and led them to incredible success, cementing their legacy as one of the best defenses ever, but since then hes been...well...average at best.

    His stint with the Redskins was not special, and now in Cinncy, he's been winning with a high octane offense. His defense in Cinncy has been a joke for the most part. While they show flashes of promise, now with Thuganometry taking over, his team could possibly collapse. Im starting to think that it wasn't necessarilly Marvin Lewis that made the Ravens defense great, but moreso the plethora of talent on the field. After all, the Ravens didn't really throw the playbook at you, they ran a basic scheme and ran it well. So is his defensive "genius" overrated? Or is it too early to make that declaration, and we give him more time?

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    I know Marvin personally since he was a coach in Pittsburgh. He lived in my neighborhood and I went to school with his son. He is a great person but I think he has been overrated as a coach. While he has done great things in Cincy he isn't the genious he is made out to be. I do want to see more from him before I can fully judge his coaching ablilty. I think the Bengals defense was vastly overrated last year because they got alot of lucky turnovers. I don't see them being as good this year as they were last year.

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    • #3
      The same thing was said about Tony Dungy in Indianapolis for a while but now they're a top 5-10 defense. I'd give him a little more time.

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      • #4
        Indy does not have a top 10 defense.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by cardsalltheway
          The same thing was said about Tony Dungy in Indianapolis for a while but now they're a top 5-10 defense. I'd give him a little more time.
          Indy's defense still isn't that good, they allowed their opponents to complete 67.4% of their passes on them, worst in the league. They also allowed their opponents to gain 4.4 yards per carry on them, 5th worst in the league.
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          • #6
            They padded their defensive rankings versus TERRIBLE offenses. When the Colts played real competition, they were the same old Colts D.

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            • #7
              I would love Marvin Lewis as the Ravens head coach, he is a very good coach, maybe he has what I call Brian Billick syndrome, a coordinator that falls into a place with great talent, like Brian Billick with his offense with Minnesota and Marvin with a D like baltimore, either way he is a good coach, maybe the collection of criminals brings a demise to the locker room, you never know.

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              • #8
                Personally, I think he's a much better motivator than strategian.

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                • #9
                  I think he is overrated. His lack of DL talent is absolutely going to kill this team next season.

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                  • #10
                    Personally, I think he's a much better motivator than strategian.
                    Agreed.

                    I disagree that because a scheme is basic it mean that you are not a defensive genius. What if you called a straight-up Cover 2 against an offense on 3rd down and snuffed out the offense's passing play because you predicted it? You're a genius there. You don't have to call a zone blitz with your LE playing "elephant" and your free safety at middle linebacker to be considered a genius, because the offense could tear it up.

                    There is one thing that Marvin Lewis did schematically that is worthy of note, however. I believe he was the one who would put LaVar Arrington at DE on passing downs, letting him rack up sacks and basically making him who he is today.

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                    • #11
                      Give him time to build the defense. He's still dealing with some of the last staff's garbage I'm sure.


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                      • #12
                        Brain Billick the "offensive genius" is about 10,000 times more overrated.

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                        • #13
                          Look at what came before Marvin Lewis, though. Isn't it some 15 years of the Bungels? He's done a pretty good job with what he's had. He's not the GM that let Takeo Spikes leave. He's not the GM that brought on Odell Thurman and the rest of the hoodlums. You would think as the coach he approved and disapproved of those guys being brought on, but he is not the GM.

                          If a guy is supposed to be an offensive/defensive genius, and he goes to a team without the players he wants, if he's a good football mind, he'll make do with what he has. Brian Billick is supposed to be an offensive genius, yet the Ravens have not had a decent offense since he's been there, at least with the pass game. They do have a SB ring, which Billick manufactured with a run game and amazing defense. Go figure. Marvin Lewis looks to me to be as good a Head Coach as Brian Billick, which is to say if he has to do it with offense, that's what he's going to do, until he has the players he wants on defense. He might not have those guys on defense as they'll probably be in jail or banned for drugs. Go Offense!
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by GermaineRace
                            Brain Billick the "offensive genius" is about 10,000 times more overrated.
                            agreed, he really just fell into a lucky situation with the front office picking up great players, and Marvin Lewis creating a D that the players fit well in.

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                            • #15
                              Marvin Lewis is a great coach. Unfortunately Management is forcing him to make something happen on the field with a bunch of knuckle-heads.

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