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  • #16
    Cardinals, Browns, and Texans.

    Texans are new, but they have been terrible in everything they have done since their inception....

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    • #17
      Originally posted by cunningham06 View Post
      Last years draft for the Texans was among the best in the NFL...
      I told myself I wasn't going to go on a long winded rant about this; but **** it you've made me do it. Here it goes...

      For months leading up the draft it was obivious that the Texans should pick either Reggie Bush or Vince Young. Young is basically seen as the second coming of Jesus in the city of Houston which would have boosted ticket sales and judging by the way he played for the Titans a few more wins. They could have easily traded Carr to a team that needed a QB. Reggie would have been the spark to the offense that the team needed. They could have ran a duel back system with him and Davis similar to Deuce and Reggie. Carr finally would have had another target besides Andre Johnson.

      Yet, they decide to draft neither of these guys and their is excuse is that Carr and Davis are their franchise offensive players. Apparently in Houston franchise means one season as they were both cut on Friday. You explain to me, logically, how in one year a quarterback goes from "the franchise" to being cut. They went back on everything they said last April with their trade for Schaub and their cuts of Davis and Carr.

      The other excuse they used was that they wouldn't be able to stop anybody with Reggie and Vince. Fair arguement but guess what. They still can't stop anybody. Mario Williams may have great potential but he didn't do squat his rookie year while Vince Young won Rookie Of The Year and damn near lead his team to playoffs while the Texans finished with the eighth overall selection and Bush was a key part to the Saints rise to the elite in the NFC.

      I'll sum up why they screwed up with one simple video...

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKURxvgBU5g

      Explain to me how you had a succesful draft when everybody in the stadium is cheering the rival's quarterback as he scores the game winning TD.

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      • #18
        how many times are ppl going to remake this topic?

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        • #19
          Originally posted by GiantRutgersFan View Post
          Cardinals, Browns, and Texans.

          Texans are new, but they have been terrible in everything they have done since their inception....
          They went 7-9 in '04, plus how can anyone say CLE. Dominate in the 50's and 60's and had who many think is the greatest player ever. Also had sucess in the '80's. Not their fault they were moved(ormaybe it was) and had to rebuild
          http://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/te...stories/browns
          Last edited by neko4; 03-27-2007, 11:20 PM.



          Sig thanks to Bonekrusher

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Number 10 View Post
            I'm on the verge of putting the Redskins in the discussion but they had some success a long time ago, so it may be a bit of a stretch. But the way they handle their offseasons is out of control.
            You cannot be serious. I know that mocking Synder and the Redskins front office is fun and all, but to even mention a franchise with 3 Superbowl victories in this thread is just ridiculous. The Redskins are not anything close to being the worst NFL franchise. And 1991 is hardly that long ago compared to alot of other franchises. Its not as long ago as 1990 anyways.
            Last edited by Basileus777; 03-27-2007, 11:31 PM.

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            • #21
              Personally when I think of failure in the NFL or inability to win, I always think of the Browns.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Basileus777 View Post
                Its not as long ago as 1990 anyways.

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                • #23
                  Bearing the recent news of this Lance Briggs trade (which may not happen), I wanna say the Redskins. They make it a yearly practice to give up way too much for a player, and sometimes they do it several times in an offseason. They throw away their draft picks. They stay competitive because they do manage to keep a lot of talent on the team and hire good coaches, but the management is just awful. it was bad enough when they signed Archuleta to a huge deal, trading Champ and a 2nd rounder for Portis when we all know how much more important CB is than HB and give up the world for Mcintosh. But now theyre gonna trade down 25 spots and pass on Gaines Adams so they can upgrade themselves at a position that is already a strong point?!?!? Its just ridiculous. I know theyre certainly not the worst franchise in the league, right now or historically. But it is just getting downright ridiculous the moves they are making.

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                  • #24
                    Yeah, it is by far the Cardinals, and actually second comes the Saints, who just hosted their first playoff game ever last year. I know they are on the rise, but come on, both teams have been BAD BAD BAD forever. You guys are living completely in the now if you say anyone but those two teams, except for the Texans guy, but they are still WAY to recent.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by TheChampIsHere View Post
                      Bearing the recent news of this Lance Briggs trade (which may not happen), I wanna say the Redskins. They make it a yearly practice to give up way too much for a player, and sometimes they do it several times in an offseason. They throw away their draft picks. They stay competitive because they do manage to keep a lot of talent on the team and hire good coaches, but the management is just awful. it was bad enough when they signed Archuleta to a huge deal, trading Champ and a 2nd rounder for Portis when we all know how much more important CB is than HB and give up the world for Mcintosh. But now theyre gonna trade down 25 spots and pass on Gaines Adams so they can upgrade themselves at a position that is already a strong point?!?!? Its just ridiculous. I know theyre certainly not the worst franchise in the league, right now or historically. But it is just getting downright ridiculous the moves they are making.
                      Their owner is just a complete moron. He is yet to acknowledge the existence of the salary cap.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Ewing View Post
                        I told myself I wasn't going to go on a long winded rant about this; but **** it you've made me do it. Here it goes...

                        For months leading up the draft it was obivious that the Texans should pick either Reggie Bush or Vince Young. Young is basically seen as the second coming of Jesus in the city of Houston which would have boosted ticket sales and judging by the way he played for the Titans a few more wins. They could have easily traded Carr to a team that needed a QB. Reggie would have been the spark to the offense that the team needed. They could have ran a duel back system with him and Davis similar to Deuce and Reggie. Carr finally would have had another target besides Andre Johnson.

                        Yet, they decide to draft neither of these guys and their is excuse is that Carr and Davis are their franchise offensive players. Apparently in Houston franchise means one season as they were both cut on Friday. You explain to me, logically, how in one year a quarterback goes from "the franchise" to being cut. They went back on everything they said last April with their trade for Schaub and their cuts of Davis and Carr.

                        The other excuse they used was that they wouldn't be able to stop anybody with Reggie and Vince. Fair arguement but guess what. They still can't stop anybody. Mario Williams may have great potential but he didn't do squat his rookie year while Vince Young won Rookie Of The Year and damn near lead his team to playoffs while the Texans finished with the eighth overall selection and Bush was a key part to the Saints rise to the elite in the NFC.

                        I'll sum up why they screwed up with one simple video...

                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKURxvgBU5g

                        Explain to me how you had a succesful draft when everybody in the stadium is cheering the rival's quarterback as he scores the game winning TD.
                        Since you are unaware of this, I will inform you of why Reggie would not be a good pick for us. At the time we had no reason to believe that Domanick Davis would not be ready to start the season. We had our starting RB, and he was quite good here. Reggie Bush is not a good fit for a ZBS offense, which is what we run. He dances too much. We already had a "dancer" in Vernand Morency, and he wasn't that good in our scheme so we got rid of him.

                        We didn't want to give up on Carr after just four seasons, so we decided to allow him one more. No matter who we took on offense, we wouldn't win that many more games because of how bad our defense was. We were letting in too many points to contend in games, so big surprise we went defense in the draft. We picked one of the most amazing physical freaks in the last 5 years to help jump-start our defense. No he didn't play up to the billing of a first overall pick, but he was a solid starter, and improved over the season despite being hampered by injury.

                        Yes Vince would be awesome, but we wanted to give Carr a chance.

                        Ok here is something that is going to change the way that you look at the world. Are you ready, here is this earthshattering statement that you need to hear: There is more than one round in the draft. Lets take a look at the other players the Texans got in the draft.

                        1st- Mario Williams: Solid player, not great, but has been improving.
                        2nd- Demeco Ryans: Huge steal in the second round, DPOY, had one of the most dominant seasons for a rookie LB in the history of the NFL.
                        3rd- Charles Spencer: Started quickly, and became the best offensive lineman on our line. A great pickup in the third round.
                        3rd- Eric Winston: Started later in the season, was solid
                        4th- Owen Daniels: The best rookie tight end
                        6th- Wali Lundy: Effective change of pace back, had some good runs

                        As for the Saints rising to the top that was much more because of Drew Brees than Reggie Bush.

                        People in Houston love Vince, many Houstonians went to UT, I was cheering on that run too. Even though he's on the Titans we still root for him to do well.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Phrost View Post
                          Their owner is just a complete moron. He is yet to acknowledge the existence of the salary cap.
                          I believe that the Redskins are the most profitable franchise in the NFL. While their on-field decisions are bad, they are making a lot of money.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by cunningham06 View Post
                            Since you are unaware of this, I will inform you of why Reggie would not be a good pick for us. At the time we had no reason to believe that Domanick Davis would not be ready to start the season. We had our starting RB, and he was quite good here. Reggie Bush is not a good fit for a ZBS offense, which is what we run. He dances too much. We already had a "dancer" in Vernand Morency, and he wasn't that good in our scheme so we got rid of him.

                            We didn't want to give up on Carr after just four seasons, so we decided to allow him one more. No matter who we took on offense, we wouldn't win that many more games because of how bad our defense was. We were letting in too many points to contend in games, so big surprise we went defense in the draft. We picked one of the most amazing physical freaks in the last 5 years to help jump-start our defense. No he didn't play up to the billing of a first overall pick, but he was a solid starter, and improved over the season despite being hampered by injury.

                            Yes Vince would be awesome, but we wanted to give Carr a chance.

                            Ok here is something that is going to change the way that you look at the world. Are you ready, here is this earthshattering statement that you need to hear: There is more than one round in the draft. Lets take a look at the other players the Texans got in the draft.

                            1st- Mario Williams: Solid player, not great, but has been improving.
                            2nd- Demeco Ryans: Huge steal in the second round, DPOY, had one of the most dominant seasons for a rookie LB in the history of the NFL.
                            3rd- Charles Spencer: Started quickly, and became the best offensive lineman on our line. A great pickup in the third round.
                            3rd- Eric Winston: Started later in the season, was solid
                            4th- Owen Daniels: The best rookie tight end
                            6th- Wali Lundy: Effective change of pace back, had some good runs

                            As for the Saints rising to the top that was much more because of Drew Brees than Reggie Bush.

                            People in Houston love Vince, many Houstonians went to UT, I was cheering on that run too. Even though he's on the Titans we still root for him to do well.
                            Yes, Ryans is great but let me ask you a question. If you could have Mario Williams or Vince Young on the Texans who would you choose?

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Ewing View Post
                              Yes, Ryans is great but let me ask you a question. If you could have Mario Williams or Vince Young on the Texans who would you choose?
                              He stated his reasoning why he thinks what the Texans did was right.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Ewing View Post
                                I told myself I wasn't going to go on a long winded rant about this; but **** it you've made me do it. Here it goes...

                                For months leading up the draft it was obivious that the Texans should pick either Reggie Bush or Vince Young. Young is basically seen as the second coming of Jesus in the city of Houston which would have boosted ticket sales and judging by the way he played for the Titans a few more wins. They could have easily traded Carr to a team that needed a QB. Reggie would have been the spark to the offense that the team needed. They could have ran a duel back system with him and Davis similar to Deuce and Reggie. Carr finally would have had another target besides Andre Johnson.

                                Yet, they decide to draft neither of these guys and their is excuse is that Carr and Davis are their franchise offensive players. Apparently in Houston franchise means one season as they were both cut on Friday. You explain to me, logically, how in one year a quarterback goes from "the franchise" to being cut. They went back on everything they said last April with their trade for Schaub and their cuts of Davis and Carr.

                                The other excuse they used was that they wouldn't be able to stop anybody with Reggie and Vince. Fair arguement but guess what. They still can't stop anybody. Mario Williams may have great potential but he didn't do squat his rookie year while Vince Young won Rookie Of The Year and damn near lead his team to playoffs while the Texans finished with the eighth overall selection and Bush was a key part to the Saints rise to the elite in the NFC.

                                I'll sum up why they screwed up with one simple video...

                                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKURxvgBU5g

                                Explain to me how you had a succesful draft when everybody in the stadium is cheering the rival's quarterback as he scores the game winning TD.
                                Outside of the Mario Williams pick, they had a great draft. Demeco Ryans wont DROY, Winston is a keeper, Wali Lundy should be a contributor. Owen Daniels will be a starter for years it seems. Charles Spencer is dealing with injuries but he is a promising player if he ever gets healthy.

                                But yes, picking Mario Williams over Reggie Bush and Vince Young should go down as one of the greatest draft blunders in history. Mario was talented, yes. But Vince and Reggie were every bit as talented as Mario and as incredible it is that he is athletic and moves that well at 290 pounds, how many prospects have there ever been that can do the things Vince and Reggie can do respectively? The difference is Vince and Reggie had flat out incredible college careers and were elite playmakers who finished 1-2 in the heismann and played for championship teams. Mario Williams was a DE who was incredibly inconsistent and whose prescense wasnt even felt in many games and he was hardly a dominant player in college. It shouldnt have even been a decision. Heck, Id take Hawk over Mario in terms of defensive prospects. Both were incredible talents in terms of measurables, only difference was Hawk was a dominant player in college, Mario wasnt. Bottom line, you dont take a player number 1 overall who wasnt dominant in college. Mario should be a good DE, but I highly doubt he will ever be a dominant player in the NFL, something which Bush and Vince already are.

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