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  • #46
    Coming out of college, I liked them like this:

    Rivers
    Manning
    Roethlisberger

    I liked all three of them coming out, but I thought Roethlisberger got overrated as a prospect. I liked him but it's real hard for me to believe that anyone who watched all three of them play, thought he was the #1 QB that year.

    Right now though, I'd take Manning. Just because Rivers is too much of a crap shoot. He's been in the league for two years and has thrown very little passes. Manning has proven he can QB on an NFL level. He still needs some work, mainly with accuracy, but I think I'd take him over the other two.

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    • #47
      At this point you almost have to say Ben. He started very early due to injury and he has had a great career since. He has shown he can throw great passes and make huge plays out of nothing. He has been very good throwing on the run. People wirte off his successes every year saying his rookie yea was a fluke and he'd hit a sophmore slump and now they just blame it on our style of play and the good supporting cast he has. Ben won us football games and without him we wouldn't have made the playoffs this year let alone win a Superbowl.

      I think Eli will be good, even great, as he has looked better each year and this will only be his third season. He looked very good early in the year last season and only lost his accuracy towards the end of the year when he was worn out. Being worn out is completely understandable for him considering it was his first season starting.

      He could turn into a top tier QB and lead the Giants for years to come but he isn't as sure of as Ben is. Eli could remain an average QB for the rest of his career while we have already seen that Ben has what it takes to play at the level of the top QBs in the NFL.

      I don't think we have seen enough of Rivers to pick him and I think we have all seen enough of Losman to not pick him.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by KAWICGB
        Originally posted by Immaculate Tackle
        Gee, you'd think no one saw his 3 excellent performances in the playoffs last year. His RBs had something like a 3.0 YPC. More nonsense from Ben bashers.
        You mean like when the Steelers got lucky and Palmer went out early with an injury. Or like when they got lucky and Roethlisberger just barely made the tackle against the Colts after that ugly play. Or how about all of those questionable calls in the Super Bowl.

        The Steelers were lucky to even make it to the Super Bowl, let alone when it. And when they made it there, they made it there on the Defense and the run game.... last time I checked Big Ben has very little influence on those aspects of the game
        Then you didn't watch those games. The first three games leading up to the Superbowl were all won through the air, esspecially in Indy and Denver. The passing game is what got us to the playoffs. The superbowl was won with passing aswell, even if stats don't reflect it.

        And how can you honestly say the Steelers were lucky yo beat the Colts? You bring up the 'bad calls' in the Super bowl but you forget the one that the league actually said was a bad call in the Polamalu INT. If it isn't for that call the Steelers wi the game easy.

        But regardless of if the team won the Superbowl, Ben has been the best of the 4 QBs over the last two years. Say what you want about our run game and line, he took a 6-10 team to 15-1 with almost the exact same team. Ben is a great QB to the people that watch him play everyweek. Its only the idiots that base their opinions off of highlight reels and stat books that think he isn't.

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        • #49
          The thing I don't get is why do people refuse to believe in what Ben does. His rookie year he was written off as a 'fluke' and said to have a 'Sophmore slump'. Since that didn't happen people say his sucess is only because of his strong supporting cast.

          Ben throws the ball the best out of any of these QBs. He is by far the most accurate from what we have seen. He makes big plays out of situations where he looks like he is going to get sacked. So what if he throws the ball 5-10 less times a game than some QBs? He looks great almost everytime he gets a chance to throw the ball.

          Just out of curiosity, why do people hate Ben as a player?

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          • #50
            Originally posted by steel man
            i like Ben in college above any of the others. he is bigger, stronger, has a stronger arm, smarter, can throw on the run better, and more accurate than all of the others execpt maybe and i mean maybe Rivers. i was hoping the steelers didnt want Rivers like was 1st said and the chargers like Ben like was 1st said. i am very happy with who we got.

            you can say that us winning is not all Ben and you are right this is a team game. no one has won in football all by their selfs, but a player can have a bigger % than others and Ben is a Large, Large part of why we won, because we have basically the same team except QB and we could not win and then Ben comes and we go 15-1(and he did not loss the 1) break all kinds of records and come within 1 game of back to back super bowls. the reason we didnt was Ben was hurt and tired and i know we could have beat both teams because we did back to back also stopping NE's win streak.

            so bottom line is i much rather have Ben!

            I believe that Eli would have had the same production if he was in pittsburgh, I think a lot of people could have won a superbowl passing the ball about 15 times a game w/ a great running game and defense. in his rookie season Vinny Testaverde fumbled the ball or somthing which led to the steelers getting a FG I believe then having Vinny throw a hail mary.

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            • #51
              I think when it's all said and done, Rivers will be known as the most accurate and the best passer of them all.

              For the record, I like Big Ben a lot. If I was starting a franchise and I had to pick between Ben and Eli, Big Ben would be my man.

              Thanks BoneKrusher^

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Smooth Criminal
                The thing I don't get is why do people refuse to believe in what Ben does. His rookie year he was written off as a 'fluke' and said to have a 'Sophmore slump'. Since that didn't happen people say his sucess is only because of his strong supporting cast.

                Ben throws the ball the best out of any of these QBs. He is by far the most accurate from what we have seen. He makes big plays out of situations where he looks like he is going to get sacked. So what if he throws the ball 5-10 less times a game than some QBs? He looks great almost everytime he gets a chance to throw the ball.

                Just out of curiosity, why do people hate Ben as a player?

                Ben will be running more no-huddle, more passing this year. How he does will be critical, and very telling as to how good he really is. He's a very efficient QB, no one is debating that. He still needs to step up to be considered a great QB.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Ravens1991
                  Originally posted by steel man
                  i like Ben in college above any of the others. he is bigger, stronger, has a stronger arm, smarter, can throw on the run better, and more accurate than all of the others execpt maybe and i mean maybe Rivers. i was hoping the steelers didnt want Rivers like was 1st said and the chargers like Ben like was 1st said. i am very happy with who we got.

                  you can say that us winning is not all Ben and you are right this is a team game. no one has won in football all by their selfs, but a player can have a bigger % than others and Ben is a Large, Large part of why we won, because we have basically the same team except QB and we could not win and then Ben comes and we go 15-1(and he did not loss the 1) break all kinds of records and come within 1 game of back to back super bowls. the reason we didnt was Ben was hurt and tired and i know we could have beat both teams because we did back to back also stopping NE's win streak.

                  so bottom line is i much rather have Ben!

                  I believe that Eli would have had the same production if he was in pittsburgh, I think a lot of people could have won a superbowl passing the ball about 15 times a game w/ a great running game and defense. in his rookie season Vinny Testaverde fumbled the ball or somthing which led to the steelers getting a FG I believe then having Vinny throw a hail mary.
                  Eli wouldn't have done the same. He wasn't as ready to come in and start as Ben was. I don't know why but Ben was ready to step in and start immediatley which is wierd for QBs.

                  And I think you are refering to the Jets playoff game where the Steelers only won because of the Jets missing two field goals I believe. If your point is that Ben didn't play well in the playoffs his rookie year then you are right. In his first time starting a playoff game he didn't look good. He was underthrowing alot of guys and he wasn't very accurate. He blamed it on injuries to his thumb butreally I just think he was nervous. I mean who wouldn't be nervous starting in the playoffs in their rookie year.

                  But then again Eli didn't do such a great job his first playoff game this year either.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Shiver
                    Originally posted by Smooth Criminal
                    The thing I don't get is why do people refuse to believe in what Ben does. His rookie year he was written off as a 'fluke' and said to have a 'Sophmore slump'. Since that didn't happen people say his sucess is only because of his strong supporting cast.

                    Ben throws the ball the best out of any of these QBs. He is by far the most accurate from what we have seen. He makes big plays out of situations where he looks like he is going to get sacked. So what if he throws the ball 5-10 less times a game than some QBs? He looks great almost everytime he gets a chance to throw the ball.

                    Just out of curiosity, why do people hate Ben as a player?

                    Ben will be running more no-huddle, more passing this year. How he does will be critical, and very telling as to how good he really is. He's a very efficient QB, no one is debating that. He still needs to step up to be considered a great QB.
                    He looked good in it against Minny even with Wilson and Washington starting at WR. Sure it was only preseason but that was its test and it definately passed. I hope they don't over use it and ruin what we already have that works very well.

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                    • #55
                      It's amazing how people who hate Ben competely exaggerate things to make a point.

                      He only throws -23123 times a game!!! I COULD DO THAT!

                      His running backs average 600 yards per carry!!! RYAN LEAF COULD WIN WITH THAT!!

                      His defense is the greatest unit ever! THE 85 BEARS LOOK TERRIBLE COMPARED TO HIM!!!111

                      Temper your criticisms, people. Ben might have a good supporting cast, but he's very good in his own right. You'll see this year.

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                      • #56
                        Out of this group I would take Ben Roethlisberger without a doubt. Anyone who takes Eli over him is obviously blinded by how good his brother is. When will people learn, just because his brother is the best qb in football, that doesn't mean that he will be some day. Eli gets way too much love on this board.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Smooth Criminal
                          Originally posted by Ravens1991
                          Originally posted by steel man
                          i like Ben in college above any of the others. he is bigger, stronger, has a stronger arm, smarter, can throw on the run better, and more accurate than all of the others execpt maybe and i mean maybe Rivers. i was hoping the steelers didnt want Rivers like was 1st said and the chargers like Ben like was 1st said. i am very happy with who we got.

                          you can say that us winning is not all Ben and you are right this is a team game. no one has won in football all by their selfs, but a player can have a bigger % than others and Ben is a Large, Large part of why we won, because we have basically the same team except QB and we could not win and then Ben comes and we go 15-1(and he did not loss the 1) break all kinds of records and come within 1 game of back to back super bowls. the reason we didnt was Ben was hurt and tired and i know we could have beat both teams because we did back to back also stopping NE's win streak.

                          so bottom line is i much rather have Ben!

                          I believe that Eli would have had the same production if he was in pittsburgh, I think a lot of people could have won a superbowl passing the ball about 15 times a game w/ a great running game and defense. in his rookie season Vinny Testaverde fumbled the ball or somthing which led to the steelers getting a FG I believe then having Vinny throw a hail mary.
                          Eli wouldn't have done the same. He wasn't as ready to come in and start as Ben was. I don't know why but Ben was ready to step in and start immediatley which is wierd for QBs.

                          And I think you are refering to the Jets playoff game where the Steelers only won because of the Jets missing two field goals I believe. If your point is that Ben didn't play well in the playoffs his rookie year then you are right. In his first time starting a playoff game he didn't look good. He was underthrowing alot of guys and he wasn't very accurate. He blamed it on injuries to his thumb butreally I just think he was nervous. I mean who wouldn't be nervous starting in the playoffs in their rookie year.

                          But then again Eli didn't do such a great job his first playoff game this year either.
                          no I am preety sure against Dallas that season Vinny fumbled which gave the Steelers a field goal, either way I wouldnt mind having either Rivers, Big Ben or Eli, I hope Rivers get several rings eli gets none (I really didn't like how he demanded not playing for SD, I may have understood if he said his reasons why) and of course since I am a Ravens fan I hope Big Ben nevers wins a game again.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Ravens1991
                            Originally posted by Smooth Criminal
                            Originally posted by Ravens1991
                            Originally posted by steel man
                            i like Ben in college above any of the others. he is bigger, stronger, has a stronger arm, smarter, can throw on the run better, and more accurate than all of the others execpt maybe and i mean maybe Rivers. i was hoping the steelers didnt want Rivers like was 1st said and the chargers like Ben like was 1st said. i am very happy with who we got.

                            you can say that us winning is not all Ben and you are right this is a team game. no one has won in football all by their selfs, but a player can have a bigger % than others and Ben is a Large, Large part of why we won, because we have basically the same team except QB and we could not win and then Ben comes and we go 15-1(and he did not loss the 1) break all kinds of records and come within 1 game of back to back super bowls. the reason we didnt was Ben was hurt and tired and i know we could have beat both teams because we did back to back also stopping NE's win streak.

                            so bottom line is i much rather have Ben!

                            I believe that Eli would have had the same production if he was in pittsburgh, I think a lot of people could have won a superbowl passing the ball about 15 times a game w/ a great running game and defense. in his rookie season Vinny Testaverde fumbled the ball or somthing which led to the steelers getting a FG I believe then having Vinny throw a hail mary.
                            Eli wouldn't have done the same. He wasn't as ready to come in and start as Ben was. I don't know why but Ben was ready to step in and start immediatley which is wierd for QBs.

                            And I think you are refering to the Jets playoff game where the Steelers only won because of the Jets missing two field goals I believe. If your point is that Ben didn't play well in the playoffs his rookie year then you are right. In his first time starting a playoff game he didn't look good. He was underthrowing alot of guys and he wasn't very accurate. He blamed it on injuries to his thumb butreally I just think he was nervous. I mean who wouldn't be nervous starting in the playoffs in their rookie year.

                            But then again Eli didn't do such a great job his first playoff game this year either.
                            no I am preety sure against Dallas that season Vinny fumbled which gave the Steelers a field goal, either way I wouldnt mind having either Rivers, Big Ben or Eli, I hope Rivers get several rings eli gets none (I really didn't like how he demanded not playing for SD, I may have understood if he said his reasons why) and of course since I am a Ravens fan I hope Big Ben nevers wins a game again.
                            I was thinking of a different instance than you so disregard there.

                            And I agree about Eli being a little whiny *****. He may be a good QB but he will always be a whiny ***** for how he handled himself about getting taken by San Diego.

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                            • #59
                              The Chargers got the better end of the deal.

                              Thanks BoneKrusher^

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                              • #60
                                Way better. They have Rivers who has looked good in the preseason and they got an extra first round pick out of it.

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