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  • #61
    Originally posted by bsaza2358 View Post
    Alright, fine. I lied. I attempted to stay out of the conversation, and I was unable to. I am weak!
    Aren't we all?

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Number 10 View Post
      But the thing is...even with Moss our WRs are not fast enough. Nobody gets seperation and part of it was due to the scheme. Eli is constantly forced to fit the ball into tight spots and having Ginn on the field would change that. Plus, I don't view Moss as a deep threat and Eli's best trait is throwing the deep ball. Yes Plax can go deep and make the big catch but I would not exactly call him a deep threat. Ginn would be huge for this offense.
      Just quickly looking over stats from last year. Out of the 20 WRs with the most yards in the league, only Lee Evans, Joey Galloway, Roy Williams, and Chad Johnson had more yards per catch than Burress.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Number 10 View Post
        But the thing is...even with Moss our WRs are not fast enough. Nobody gets seperation and part of it was due to the scheme. Eli is constantly forced to fit the ball into tight spots and having Ginn on the field would change that. Plus, I don't view Moss as a deep threat and Eli's best trait is throwing the deep ball. Yes Plax can go deep and make the big catch but I would not exactly call him a deep threat. Ginn would be huge for this offense.
        Fair enough. I assumed Sinorice had similar deep speed to his brother. Still, drafting Ginn would be admitting that Sinorice was a mistake last year, and that would be unfortunate. I can't foresee a 3 WR offense of Burress-Ginn-Moss really doing a lot against press coverage. The mix of talents is key to running an offense. You need guys with speed, size, strength, hands, etc. The mix of skills and playcalling is what separates teams.



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        • #64
          Originally posted by Addict View Post
          Aren't we all?
          You say you're an addict, but I've been here 2+ years and am working on 5200 posts. I'm a lifer...



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          • #65
            Sinorice does have similar speed to his brother. He was just hurt all year. He played in 4 games? He was easily the fastest and shiftiest player on the field for us. Sinorice definately has more than straight line speed.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Jughead10 View Post
              Or people just over exxagerate the bad. And fail to look at the good.
              One of the biggests arguments used in favor of Coughlin is that he's the first HC to get us bck to back playoff appearances since Parcells.

              Do you honestly think that he earned that stat though? We got in at 8-8. Now granted, we were injured like hell, but still. Great coaches will their team to win. I never see that with us.

              We go as far as our talent takes us. Our coaching staff is poor at making adjustments and at player utilization. That falls on Coughlin.

              Regardless of what he did last year, at the end of the day, he underachieved. We were supposed to be a SB caliber team, and we went 8-8, and lost in the playoffs in a gutless fashion at the end of the game.

              My main issue is, I think Coughlin has been hurting the development of Eli Manning. He's not making things easy for him. Coaches adjust to their young qbs, Coughlin is just forcing his way down Eli's throat without adjustments to suit Eli's game. Im not a Coughlin fan.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by bsaza2358 View Post
                You say you're an addict, but I've been here 2+ years and am working on 5200 posts. I'm a lifer...
                Actually, when I was signing up I had zero inspiration and I was wearing a shirt of this brand

                So I used that, and it wasn't registered.

                That's a cool sigpic though. By lack of a better one, I'll use it.
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                • #68
                  Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
                  One of the biggests arguments used in favor of Coughlin is that he's the first HC to get us bck to back playoff appearances since Parcells.

                  Do you honestly think that he earned that stat though? We got in at 8-8. Now granted, we were injured like hell, but still. Great coaches will their team to win. I never see that with us.

                  We go as far as our talent takes us. Our coaching staff is poor at making adjustments and at player utilization. That falls on Coughlin.

                  Regardless of what he did last year, at the end of the day, he underachieved. We were supposed to be a SB caliber team, and we went 8-8, and lost in the playoffs in a gutless fashion at the end of the game.

                  My main issue is, I think Coughlin has been hurting the development of Eli Manning. He's not making things easy for him. Coaches adjust to their young qbs, Coughlin is just forcing his way down Eli's throat without adjustments to suit Eli's game. Im not a Coughlin fan.
                  Or maybe the fact that with every insult someone has about his passing attack they fail ever mention one thing about how great his rushing attack is. I love Tiki, but he wasn't anything but an extremely mediocre RB before Coughlin came. These three years under Coughlin can be compared to any three years a RB has ever put up in the histroy of the NFL. Including Jim Brown.

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                  • #69
                    What does Tiki's success have to do with the fact that Coughlin hasn't helped Eli Manning make the necessary adjustments to be an All-Pro NFL QB? I'm not arguing that Tiki's turnaround wasn't driven by Coughlin. I believe the point was that the lack of in-game adjustments and the offensive scheme were lacking for the Giants. The regression of Eli in the second half of the last 2 seasons is also becoming a consistent pattern. At what point do you blame the coach for those issues?



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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Jughead10 View Post
                      Or maybe the fact that with every insult someone has about his passing attack they fail ever mention one thing about how great his rushing attack is. I love Tiki, but he wasn't anything but an extremely mediocre RB before Coughlin came. These three years under Coughlin can be compared to any three years a RB has ever put up in the histroy of the NFL. Including Jim Brown.
                      This is true. And while I do give Coughlin credit for Tiki and the run game...why the hell didn't he use it more?

                      With our run game, why didn't we try to use it to keep defenses honest? Why are we going empty set in the redzone? Why aren't we uses PA pass in the redzone?

                      As good as our offense was, anyone who watches the Giants knows it couldve and shouldve been better. And thats because Coughlin didn't use his parts properly.

                      We couldve used Tiki in the pass game much more too. We never lined him up wide, we rarely ran him in the flats. He was just a 4 yard up the middle dump off. We couldve done so much more with him.

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                      • #71
                        Coughlin is not as bad is some make him out to be, but I don't see him as a Super Bowl coach to be blunt.

                        And our main coaching issues lie within the coordinators and certain positional coaches who seem to have too much power now a days.
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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Number 10 View Post
                          Coughlin is not as bad is some make him out to be, but I don't see him as a Super Bowl coach to be blunt.

                          And our main coaching issues lie within the coordinators and certain positional coaches who seem to have too much power now a days.
                          This is true. To me Coughlin's biggest flaw, and it was huge one, was his loyalty to assitants no matter how terrible they were. That being said I could definately see a difference in playcalling the last two games of the year with Gilbride as OC.

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                          • #73
                            There's nothing wrong with loyalty. IMO, loyalty to one's team, players, and colleagues has been lost as a valuable and honored trait in pro sports. If anything, I give Coughlin a ton of credit for sticking with his guys and putting his own reputation on the line.



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                            • #74
                              I hope I see changes, but Im not expecting it. Look guys, its Coughlin who runs the offense. Huffnagel was a puppet. This was Coughlin's playbook. And Gilbride already publicly said he wants to go vertical more, ie we're gonna do the same junk again this year. You want a change on offense, then TC has got to go. You might see some new wrinkles, but this offense will be very similar to the one we were all bitchin about this past year.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by bsaza2358 View Post
                                What does Tiki's success have to do with the fact that Coughlin hasn't helped Eli Manning make the necessary adjustments to be an All-Pro NFL QB? I'm not arguing that Tiki's turnaround wasn't driven by Coughlin. I believe the point was that the lack of in-game adjustments and the offensive scheme were lacking for the Giants. The regression of Eli in the second half of the last 2 seasons is also becoming a consistent pattern. At what point do you blame the coach for those issues?
                                1. Perhaps Eli isn't as good as we all want him to be. I'm becoming more accepting of that fact every day.

                                2. I was just making a general statement. Coughlin gets a lot of crap in the media. And its all not nearly warranted. He gets a lot of the blame for Eli's troubles and the passing game, but then on the other side Tiki gets all the credit for the rushing attack. The media in NY hates him, for various political and personal reasons. When attempting to criticize Coughlin they are trying to have their cake and eat it too.

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