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  • #61
    jus had to point out and say Thanks and preciate it to everyone who provided well thought out answers and not just rambling on about how their favorite team is the best...


    although I agree most arent respecting the ceiling of julius jones in a full season, along with a great backup, and on top of that, which rb's wouldnt prosper from having TO on the field, TO is just a large enough of a target and focus to make an offense number one





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    • #62
      Originally posted by DMWSackMachine
      Originally posted by Moses
      I would rate the teams like this:

      1. Washington Redskins
      2. New York Giants
      3. Dallas Cowboys
      4. Philadelia Eagles

      Redskins have the best offensive line and the best running back in Clinton Portis. Santana Moss is an elite wide receiver and Brunell can get the job done behind center. Also, Chris Cooley is a great option as an H-Back or as a TE. They also have good depth at WR with Antwaan Randel El and Brandon Lloyd filling in the #2 and #3 spots.

      The Giants have a great young QB in Eli Manning who is developing into one of the league's elite. Barber, although aging, seems to be hitting the peak of his career and is effective as a runner and receiver. The offensive line is good but they don't match the Redskins. Buress and Toomer are a decent 1-2 punch but Burress can disappear and their is little talent beyond them. Shockey can be great at TE but he has trouble with consistency at times.


      Dallas's offensive line is the worst in the division and it will hurt both their running and passing game. The running back by committee approach should work well enough with both Jones and Barber making significant impacts. The WRs are obviously led by Terrell Owens who is the best WR in the game today (on the field). Glenn is a great #2 option but the depth beyond Glenn is adequate at best. Bledsoe is a veteran who is underrated but he does make his fair share of mistakes. Witten is a good TE that is a consistent target for Bledsoe.

      The Eagles offence depends on the divisions best quarterback, Donovan McNabb. With him in the game, the Eagles always have a chance to win. The offensive line is solid and generally provides good pass protection although some of the struggles in the running game can be attributed to them. The backfield is quite weak with only Westbrook and Moats. The upside is that Westbrook is an effective utility back and is very good at catching the ball out of the backfield. The biggest weakness of this team is the wide receivers which lack any proven threat beyond newly acquired Donte Stallworth. Reggie Brown will have to step up and become the #1 receiver which is asking a lot of a 2nd year player.

      I hate to say this to someone whom I regard as a generally astute poster, but that post sounds like you read "Cliff Notes: NFC East Football 2006" or something. For example, you said this :

      Redskins have the best offensive line and the best running back in Clinton Portis
      And yet, for each of the last two years, Tiki Barber has dominated him in terms of yardage and ypc. AND the Redskins pretty clearly have a better O line than the G-men do. So if they have both the best runner and the best blockers, then why don't they play the best? Bears mentioning, you would think, and yet people just run their mouths off and say that Portis is the best without giving it a second thought.

      Next you said:

      Dallas's offensive line is the worst in the division and it will hurt both their running and passing game.....Bledsoe is a veteran who is underrated but he does make his fair share of mistakes.
      Each of these statements are considered the "book" on the O Line and Bledsoe, respectively. Yet you (and everyone else who peddles these two philosophies) ignore some extremely relevant facts. First, of this "worst line" that ended the season by giving up 38 sacks in 10 games highlighted by a staggering 8 sacks against the Skins weak pass rush, there will be 4 new starters from the line that started those 10 games, as well as the 5th starter being a completely different player after struggling from back problems that developed prior to last season. So I don't know exactly how that means that we're the "worst line in the division" when you, me, Parcells and the rest of the NFL has no idea exactly how good we'll be. All I know is we will be substantially improved from a line that was devastated by injury throughout the season. Secondly, you say Bledsoe "makes his fair share of mistakes", implying that he is a bad decision maker who often "goes off the reservation" with frequency. Well, I don't know how you form your opinion on the matter, but as a fan that watched nearly every offensive play last year, most of them multiple times, I can say that Bledsoe's decision making was one of his biggest assets. Everyone jumps to mention the Seahawks game when he threw the game ending Int and everything, but they forget the Charger, 49ers, NYG, Panther, Eagles and Chiefs games when he took the offense down the field late in the 4th quarter or overtime for the winning scores. Also, a certain professional statistician who has broken down every play of every game and categorized and classified every QB decision names Bledsoe as the 3rd best decision maker in the league last year.

      Of course, all these facts do not fit into the "generally held consensus" that has formed out of media reports, political cow-towing and hyperbole machine that surround the sport, so they obviously cannot be true. Of course, this time last year the Eagles were the clear favorites in the NFC, the Patriots were the hands down best team in the league, Culpepper was set for a monster season, the Seahawks couldn't put it all together, the Bears were floundering in incompetence and the Redskins were a lock to send their top 5 pick to the Broncos for Jason Campbell..... good thing that won't happen this season.
      Most of your arguments are based off stats from years past. I'm looking ahead to this year. I personally feel that Portis is a better back than Barber. Both are great backs but I think Portis has the edge at this point in their careers. This opinion is simply based on watching both play and seeing how much they help their teams. Barber helps out more in the passing game but I think it's pretty special what Portis can accomplish along the ground. Again, I'm of the opinion that stats rarely tell the whole story and simply comparing YPC, total yards, etc. is pointless.

      As far as Dallas' line goes, it's obviously too early to tell for sure if they're going to be the worst but I wouldn't hesitate in saying that they are the biggest question mark in the division. What line would you argue has more questions than the Cowboys?

      As far as Bledsoe goes, I've just noticed that he can be erratic at times. On one drive he'll look like the best QB in the league orchaestrating a picture perfect drive downfield resulting in 6 points. Then on the next drive he'll look like a rookie who doesn't grasp the playbook. I think he's extremely talented he just seems to lack focus at times. Maybe I'm missing something, but he's obviously made his fair share of mistakes if he threw 17 INTs last season.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Dillen
        Originally posted by Moses
        The offensive line is solid and generally provides good pass protection although some of the struggles in the running game can be attributed to them. The backfield is quite weak with only Westbrook and Moats.
        I dont like this argument for three reasons.

        One, people need to remember what happened at the end of last year. Hank Fraley is not a good run blocker, at all. When he went on IR, they put in Jamaal Jackson. He is an absolute mauler. The first game Jackson was in the Eagles ran for over 150 yards against the Cowboys.

        Two, the bad running game last year was hardly the RBs fault, although some of the blame goes to them. It pains me to say it, but once Westbrook got his big extension he ran a lot harder. Anyways, back to not blaming the RBs. Last years offensive line was horrible at run blocking. Tra Thomas is a premier pass blocking LT. He's an average run blocker. Artis Hicks is a good pass blocking guard, and he's a below average run blocker. Hank Fraley is just an extremely smart G/C who is an above average pass blocker but below average run blocker. Again, referring to the Dallas game. That game, Todd Herremans was the LT. Adrien Clarke the LG. JJax the C. They're all run blockers. They dominated Dallas that entire game. This year Thomas is back at LT but Herremans is at LG and Jackson is the full time center. The run blocking will be much better, and if Westbrook wasnt injury prone he'd easily be a 1000 yard rusher.

        Third, right now Buckhalter is healthy. Thomas Tapeh was a 5th rounder going into his 3rd year who is a RB/FB. Jason Davis was used as a runner in college. The Eagles have 'big backs.'
        The Eagles' biggest problem with their running game last season was obviously the fact that they didn't run the football enough. Reid simply wouldn't give the ball to the RBs enough to create an effective running game.

        Like I said, neither Moats or Westbrook are even in the same league in terms of running as Portis, Barber, or even the Jones/Barber combo in Dallas. The RBs in Philadelphia are clearly a big step below anybody else in the division.

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        • #64
          i wouldnt argue with portis over tiki, some are going off last year, some are going with age and where their heading in their career....portis is so young its scary for what he's done and how he's added on weight with keeping lightning speed...he is capable of a 1,700 yd rushing and 500 yd passing year, never know when it could happen but he hasnt even peaked yet, Tiki had a great year last year, but he's one year older and so are his legs, as far as being the workhorse he was last year its hard to see him doing that again, but the chances of a career year anytime in the future has got to be portis





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          • #65
            i don't really know enough about any of these teams to have an opinion, but i more wanted to give some props to DMW, Moses, bigblue and Dillen for actually reading each other's arguments and responding point by point to flaws (real or not) that people pointed out. i like reading this kind of commentary on divisions i don't know much about.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Moses
              Originally posted by Dillen
              Originally posted by Moses
              The offensive line is solid and generally provides good pass protection although some of the struggles in the running game can be attributed to them. The backfield is quite weak with only Westbrook and Moats.
              I dont like this argument for three reasons.

              One, people need to remember what happened at the end of last year. Hank Fraley is not a good run blocker, at all. When he went on IR, they put in Jamaal Jackson. He is an absolute mauler. The first game Jackson was in the Eagles ran for over 150 yards against the Cowboys.

              Two, the bad running game last year was hardly the RBs fault, although some of the blame goes to them. It pains me to say it, but once Westbrook got his big extension he ran a lot harder. Anyways, back to not blaming the RBs. Last years offensive line was horrible at run blocking. Tra Thomas is a premier pass blocking LT. He's an average run blocker. Artis Hicks is a good pass blocking guard, and he's a below average run blocker. Hank Fraley is just an extremely smart G/C who is an above average pass blocker but below average run blocker. Again, referring to the Dallas game. That game, Todd Herremans was the LT. Adrien Clarke the LG. JJax the C. They're all run blockers. They dominated Dallas that entire game. This year Thomas is back at LT but Herremans is at LG and Jackson is the full time center. The run blocking will be much better, and if Westbrook wasnt injury prone he'd easily be a 1000 yard rusher.

              Third, right now Buckhalter is healthy. Thomas Tapeh was a 5th rounder going into his 3rd year who is a RB/FB. Jason Davis was used as a runner in college. The Eagles have 'big backs.'
              The Eagles' biggest problem with their running game last season was obviously the fact that they didn't run the football enough. Reid simply wouldn't give the ball to the RBs enough to create an effective running game.

              Like I said, neither Moats or Westbrook are even in the same league in terms of running as Portis, Barber, or even the Jones/Barber combo in Dallas. The RBs in Philadelphia are clearly a big step below anybody else in the division.
              Well you can't really blame them for not calling a lot of running plays because they weren't working. Like Dillen already said our run blocking didn't pick up until midway through the season. Westbrook got dominated when he tried to run against teams with legitimate run defenses in the beginning of the season. Our run game just wasn't working, and it was frustrating every time they tried to run the ball. McNabb was talented enough to accomplish what the running game could not so he got to throw the ball when conventional wisdom would say to run.

              As far as the Eagles RB's relating to the Cowboys, I would take Westbrook over Jones in a heartbeat. While he hasn't accomplished as much on the ground he isn't bad at rushing, and is incomparably better at receiving than Jones is. Barber is better than Moats. I'd say the Cowboys and the Eagles are pretty close at RB while either could be better.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by cunningham06
                Originally posted by Moses
                Originally posted by Dillen
                Originally posted by Moses
                The offensive line is solid and generally provides good pass protection although some of the struggles in the running game can be attributed to them. The backfield is quite weak with only Westbrook and Moats.
                I dont like this argument for three reasons.

                One, people need to remember what happened at the end of last year. Hank Fraley is not a good run blocker, at all. When he went on IR, they put in Jamaal Jackson. He is an absolute mauler. The first game Jackson was in the Eagles ran for over 150 yards against the Cowboys.

                Two, the bad running game last year was hardly the RBs fault, although some of the blame goes to them. It pains me to say it, but once Westbrook got his big extension he ran a lot harder. Anyways, back to not blaming the RBs. Last years offensive line was horrible at run blocking. Tra Thomas is a premier pass blocking LT. He's an average run blocker. Artis Hicks is a good pass blocking guard, and he's a below average run blocker. Hank Fraley is just an extremely smart G/C who is an above average pass blocker but below average run blocker. Again, referring to the Dallas game. That game, Todd Herremans was the LT. Adrien Clarke the LG. JJax the C. They're all run blockers. They dominated Dallas that entire game. This year Thomas is back at LT but Herremans is at LG and Jackson is the full time center. The run blocking will be much better, and if Westbrook wasnt injury prone he'd easily be a 1000 yard rusher.

                Third, right now Buckhalter is healthy. Thomas Tapeh was a 5th rounder going into his 3rd year who is a RB/FB. Jason Davis was used as a runner in college. The Eagles have 'big backs.'
                The Eagles' biggest problem with their running game last season was obviously the fact that they didn't run the football enough. Reid simply wouldn't give the ball to the RBs enough to create an effective running game.

                Like I said, neither Moats or Westbrook are even in the same league in terms of running as Portis, Barber, or even the Jones/Barber combo in Dallas. The RBs in Philadelphia are clearly a big step below anybody else in the division.
                Well you can't really blame them for not calling a lot of running plays because they weren't working. Like Dillen already said our run blocking didn't pick up until midway through the season. Westbrook got dominated when he tried to run against teams with legitimate run defenses in the beginning of the season. Our run game just wasn't working, and it was frustrating every time they tried to run the ball. McNabb was talented enough to accomplish what the running game could not so he got to throw the ball when conventional wisdom would say to run.

                As far as the Eagles RB's relating to the Cowboys, I would take Westbrook over Jones in a heartbeat. While he hasn't accomplished as much on the ground he isn't bad at rushing, and is incomparably better at receiving than Jones is. Barber is better than Moats. I'd say the Cowboys and the Eagles are pretty close at RB while either could be better.
                Westbrook is very unimpressive on running plays from what I've seen and I would take both Jones and Barber over him. Obviously he's more effective in the passing game but that's not going to help the Eagles dismal running attack.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by RamonceTaylorThaGreat
                  i wouldnt argue with portis over tiki, some are going off last year, some are going with age and where their heading in their career....portis is so young its scary for what he's done and how he's added on weight with keeping lightning speed...he is capable of a 1,700 yd rushing and 500 yd passing year, never know when it could happen but he hasnt even peaked yet, Tiki had a great year last year, but he's one year older and so are his legs, as far as being the workhorse he was last year its hard to see him doing that again, but the chances of a career year anytime in the future has got to be portis
                  What many fail to realize is that Tiki does not have the normal amount of wear and tear on his body as other backs his age do. Early on in his career, he was never an every down back and it basically wasn't until Ron Dayne was a goner that Tiki was given every down responsibility, which was 5-6 years into his career. Combine that with the fact that he keeps himself in absolutely amazing shape every offseason and you have to be under the impression that he still has at least another 2-3 top notch seasons left in the tank if he can avoid the injury bug.
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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Number 10
                    Originally posted by RamonceTaylorThaGreat
                    i wouldnt argue with portis over tiki, some are going off last year, some are going with age and where their heading in their career....portis is so young its scary for what he's done and how he's added on weight with keeping lightning speed...he is capable of a 1,700 yd rushing and 500 yd passing year, never know when it could happen but he hasnt even peaked yet, Tiki had a great year last year, but he's one year older and so are his legs, as far as being the workhorse he was last year its hard to see him doing that again, but the chances of a career year anytime in the future has got to be portis
                    What many fail to realize is that Tiki does not have the normal amount of wear and tear on his body as other backs his age do. Early on in his career, he was never an every down back and it basically wasn't until Ron Dayne was a goner that Tiki was given every down responsibility, which was 5-6 years into his career. Combine that with the fact that he keeps himself in absolutely amazing shape every offseason and you have to be under the impression that he still has at least another 2-3 top notch seasons left in the tank if he can avoid the injury bug.
                    I wouldnt doubt he has another 2-3 great years left, maybe more but, hasnt he recently discussed retiring? Some say his heart has been elsewhere and that this may be his last season.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by M.O.T.H.
                      Originally posted by Number 10
                      Originally posted by RamonceTaylorThaGreat
                      i wouldnt argue with portis over tiki, some are going off last year, some are going with age and where their heading in their career....portis is so young its scary for what he's done and how he's added on weight with keeping lightning speed...he is capable of a 1,700 yd rushing and 500 yd passing year, never know when it could happen but he hasnt even peaked yet, Tiki had a great year last year, but he's one year older and so are his legs, as far as being the workhorse he was last year its hard to see him doing that again, but the chances of a career year anytime in the future has got to be portis
                      What many fail to realize is that Tiki does not have the normal amount of wear and tear on his body as other backs his age do. Early on in his career, he was never an every down back and it basically wasn't until Ron Dayne was a goner that Tiki was given every down responsibility, which was 5-6 years into his career. Combine that with the fact that he keeps himself in absolutely amazing shape every offseason and you have to be under the impression that he still has at least another 2-3 top notch seasons left in the tank if he can avoid the injury bug.
                      I wouldnt doubt he has another 2-3 great years left, maybe more but, hasnt he recently discussed retiring? Some say his heart has been elsewhere and that this may be his last season.
                      He has. I fear him retiring at the top of his game much more than I do his body breaking down like Curtis Martin. I think Tiki has two great years left. Hopefully he stays for 2007. I think he will then call it quits after that.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Moses
                        Most of your arguments are based off stats from years past. I'm looking ahead to this year. I personally feel that Portis is a better back than Barber. Both are great backs but I think Portis has the edge at this point in their careers. This opinion is simply based on watching both play and seeing how much they help their teams. Barber helps out more in the passing game but I think it's pretty special what Portis can accomplish along the ground. Again, I'm of the opinion that stats rarely tell the whole story and simply comparing YPC, total yards, etc. is pointless.
                        So someone brings cold hard facts to the table regarding the way things have been, and somehow a "gut feeling" overrules that? Don't get me wrong, because I am not one of those guys that hides behind numbers and touts stats as being the be-all and end-all of arguments. However, there are times when stats do tell the whole story. Barber didn't just narrowly edge out Portis the last two years, he DESTROYED him. Portis has not been an efficient runner since he left Denver. There have only been one or two games that I've watched Portis and said "wow, he looks unstoppable right now". But when he was in Denver, that's how he looked almost every single game. He was a monster. Tiki, on the other hand, has looked that way in several games. He has been the life blood of that team for two straight years. There is just no way to argue that Portis has been a better back than Barber in recent times, and if he hasn't been better in recent times, then you have to come up with a solid argument as to why it will be different this season. You, nor anyone else with your opinion, has come up with a satisfactory answer to this question. So, imo, the burden of proof lies upon you.

                        As far as Dallas' line goes, it's obviously too early to tell for sure if they're going to be the worst but I wouldn't hesitate in saying that they are the biggest question mark in the division. What line would you argue has more questions than the Cowboys?
                        Much better. They definitely have the most question marks, and I can live with that. However, the Eagles also have three new starters on the interior, and their two Tackles are coming back from season ending injuries, so that is a question laden team as well. But I can deal much easier with being labeled as a "question filled" line as opposed to the "worst" one. There is a lot of potential there for us to be successful, and we do have two Pro Bowl lineman along with probably the most coveted young guard from FA. So there is some pieces that offer promise, along with a young 7th round tackle that Parcells has positively gushed about.

                        As far as Bledsoe goes, I've just noticed that he can be erratic at times. On one drive he'll look like the best QB in the league orchaestrating a picture perfect drive downfield resulting in 6 points. Then on the next drive he'll look like a rookie who doesn't grasp the playbook. I think he's extremely talented he just seems to lack focus at times. Maybe I'm missing something, but he's obviously made his fair share of mistakes if he threw 17 INTs last season.
                        So....Tom Brady threw 14. Does that qualify him for that same moniker? I agree that there have been times when Bledsoe has looked a little shaky. But I strongly disagree with the rap that he has gotten around the league and specifically on this forum. I would take him right now before all but about 8 or 9 QBs in this league; guys that get much more respect than Bledsoe. I also disagree with your characterization. Every QB in the league struggles at times. Even Peyton. Even Brady. But Bledsoe, at least last year, has never looked as bad as you just described him. Every once in a great while he will "go off the reservation" , as Parcells describes it, but his game is very refined. Another thing is that he has had to work behind a really bad offensive line for the last 4 consecutive years. Something that is particularly problematic for him, though every QB would struggle with it.
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                        • #72
                          Re: Which NFC east has the BEST offensive unit as a whole?

                          Originally posted by jsagan77
                          This is a tough question. I ask you to relinquish all homerism and make an unbiased decision.

                          These are NFC east fans were talking about c'mon.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by njx9
                            i don't really know enough about any of these teams to have an opinion, but i more wanted to give some props to DMW, Moses, bigblue and Dillen for actually reading each other's arguments and responding point by point to flaws (real or not) that people pointed out. i like reading this kind of commentary on divisions i don't know much about.
                            It really is nice to see a thread like this. I expect nothing less from bigblue. You're my boy blue!

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                            • #74
                              I voted Cowboys (shudder) as they have a QB who's been to a couple of SBs, a young promising run game, an under-rated TE, and excellent WRs. I like their line and expect them to do very well once the season starts.
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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by DMWSackMachine
                                Originally posted by Moses
                                Most of your arguments are based off stats from years past. I'm looking ahead to this year. I personally feel that Portis is a better back than Barber. Both are great backs but I think Portis has the edge at this point in their careers. This opinion is simply based on watching both play and seeing how much they help their teams. Barber helps out more in the passing game but I think it's pretty special what Portis can accomplish along the ground. Again, I'm of the opinion that stats rarely tell the whole story and simply comparing YPC, total yards, etc. is pointless.
                                So someone brings cold hard facts to the table regarding the way things have been, and somehow a "gut feeling" overrules that? Don't get me wrong, because I am not one of those guys that hides behind numbers and touts stats as being the be-all and end-all of arguments. However, there are times when stats do tell the whole story. Barber didn't just narrowly edge out Portis the last two years, he DESTROYED him. Portis has not been an efficient runner since he left Denver. There have only been one or two games that I've watched Portis and said "wow, he looks unstoppable right now". But when he was in Denver, that's how he looked almost every single game. He was a monster. Tiki, on the other hand, has looked that way in several games. He has been the life blood of that team for two straight years. There is just no way to argue that Portis has been a better back than Barber in recent times, and if he hasn't been better in recent times, then you have to come up with a solid argument as to why it will be different this season. You, nor anyone else with your opinion, has come up with a satisfactory answer to this question. So, imo, the burden of proof lies upon you.

                                As far as Dallas' line goes, it's obviously too early to tell for sure if they're going to be the worst but I wouldn't hesitate in saying that they are the biggest question mark in the division. What line would you argue has more questions than the Cowboys?
                                Much better. They definitely have the most question marks, and I can live with that. However, the Eagles also have three new starters on the interior, and their two Tackles are coming back from season ending injuries, so that is a question laden team as well. But I can deal much easier with being labeled as a "question filled" line as opposed to the "worst" one. There is a lot of potential there for us to be successful, and we do have two Pro Bowl lineman along with probably the most coveted young guard from FA. So there is some pieces that offer promise, along with a young 7th round tackle that Parcells has positively gushed about.

                                As far as Bledsoe goes, I've just noticed that he can be erratic at times. On one drive he'll look like the best QB in the league orchaestrating a picture perfect drive downfield resulting in 6 points. Then on the next drive he'll look like a rookie who doesn't grasp the playbook. I think he's extremely talented he just seems to lack focus at times. Maybe I'm missing something, but he's obviously made his fair share of mistakes if he threw 17 INTs last season.
                                So....Tom Brady threw 14. Does that qualify him for that same moniker? I agree that there have been times when Bledsoe has looked a little shaky. But I strongly disagree with the rap that he has gotten around the league and specifically on this forum. I would take him right now before all but about 8 or 9 QBs in this league; guys that get much more respect than Bledsoe. I also disagree with your characterization. Every QB in the league struggles at times. Even Peyton. Even Brady. But Bledsoe, at least last year, has never looked as bad as you just described him. Every once in a great while he will "go off the reservation" , as Parcells describes it, but his game is very refined. Another thing is that he has had to work behind a really bad offensive line for the last 4 consecutive years. Something that is particularly problematic for him, though every QB would struggle with it.
                                In terms of the Portis Vs. Barber debate, it's not a "gut feeling" I'm going on. It's simply who I think is the better overall back. I've watched them both quite a bit and I think Portis is the better runner. He's tough as nails and is an absolute workhorse who can pound the ball while also having the speed and moves to take it the distance on any play. Barber is good too and I like his vision but I don't think he's as good as Portis overall.

                                As far as Bledsoe goes, I've just noticed a lot of inconsistency in him. I think it's mostly because his highest level of play is up there with the best in the league but his basement is pretty terrible.

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