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  • #31
    Originally posted by frisby213 View Post
    See, I still fail to hear anything about any of those DTs. I realize it's not the most glorified position, but it seems like there just isn't that much talent there. I looked at the stats at some of the guys you named and compared them to that of, say, Booger McFarland, or any other one....and they're all pretty much the same. Is there no dominant Sapp-esque player at that position now? Because it seems like there's not even one well known star there...
    Defensive tackles can rarely be differentiated by statistics. What the good ones do generally can't be measured by statistics.

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    • #32
      Hester is great... I didn't think of him. I remove Reed, and add Hester.

      Bailey and Hester are now my two. Urlacher is close, and easily would be if he was more of a "coach on the field".

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      • #33
        Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
        Im starting to narrow it down between those 2.

        Its gonna be a position where theres not much emphasis on quality play. Because theres less competition and a stud can outshine his peers by an appreciable margin.

        So far I have it as Hester at 1, Lo at 2.
        I'd agree with Hester at one, and Lo at two. Hester is clearly (based on last season) the most impactful special teamer in the game. Loneal is best at the position, but there are a few younger guys who are starting to rise up and chip away at his lead in the position. If we're doin special teamers, can I make the jump to Bellichek as a coach? haha

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        • #34
          Lorenzo Neal has been the FB for a littany of 1000 yard rushers. From 1997-2007, his RB's have rushed for 1000 yards.

          1997: Adrian Murrell (1028)
          1998: Warrick Dunn + Mike Allstott (1872)
          1999: Eddie George (1304)
          2000: Eddie George (1509)
          2001: Corey Dillon (1315)
          2002: Corey Dillon (1311)
          2003: LaDanian Tomlinson (1645)
          2004: LaDanian Tomlinson (1335)
          2005: LaDanian Tomlinson (1462)
          2006: LaDanian Tomlinson (1815)

          Pretty damn impressive.



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          • #35
            Originally posted by frisby213 View Post
            See, I still fail to hear anything about any of those DTs. I realize it's not the most glorified position, but it seems like there just isn't that much talent there. I looked at the stats at some of the guys you named and compared them to that of, say, Booger McFarland, or any other one....and they're all pretty much the same. Is there no dominant Sapp-esque player at that position now? Because it seems like there's not even one well known star there...
            It's also hard to judge DT by the nature of the defense they are part of. A guy like Jamal Williams on SD is a 3-4 NT, so he's responsible for two gaps whereas some 4-3 DT don't have the same kind of responsibilities.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
              The truth is, every position has someone who's close to them. Every single position.

              The only positions I can think of with a clearcut #1 who is lightyears ahead of his peers are Devin Hester for special teams (although you can make an argument that Pacman Jones was almost as good) and Vinitieri for kickers (throw Stover in the mix as his competition).
              Which Running Back comes close to LaDainian Tomlinson. Since '02, there has been only one consistent player at the position. Meanwhile, Running Backs have come and gone at the elite level, LaDainian Tomlinson remains at the top.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Shiver View Post
                Which Running Back comes close to LaDainian Tomlinson. Since '02, there has been only one consistent player at the position. Meanwhile, Running Backs have come and gone at the elite level, LaDainian Tomlinson remains at the top.
                While I don't think Alexander is as good as LT, statistically (except for last year where he was injured), Alexander has been just as consistent.

                edit* It's espeically hard to give LT the nod, when Alexander was the MVP last year.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
                  The truth is, every position has someone who's close to them. Every single position.

                  The only positions I can think of with a clearcut #1 who is lightyears ahead of his peers are Devin Hester for special teams (although you can make an argument that Pacman Jones was almost as good) and Vinitieri for kickers (throw Stover in the mix as his competition).
                  the thing about Viniteri is he is they guy you want to kick the game winner. he has done it so many times that you just have confidence in him.

                  also i love stover, 3rd most accurate kicker in history IIRC (sorry homer comment)


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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Shiver View Post
                    Which Running Back comes close to LaDainian Tomlinson. Since '02, there has been only one consistent player at the position. Meanwhile, Running Backs have come and gone at the elite level, LaDainian Tomlinson remains at the top.
                    Just playing devil's advocate (because I'm a Charger fan I still feel LT is #1) but guys like Larry Johnson and Steven Jackson are clearly not as dominant as LT, but they aren't the same gap behind LT, as the next FB or KR is behind Loneal or Hester. Though I still feel LT has a place in this conversation.

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                    • #40
                      i really feel that champ is far ahead the other corners. he is just so shut down.


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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Shiver View Post
                        Which Running Back comes close to LaDainian Tomlinson. Since '02, there has been only one consistent player at the position. Meanwhile, Running Backs have come and gone at the elite level, LaDainian Tomlinson remains at the top.
                        You can make an argument for LJ the past 2 years. I don't agree with it, but you can make an argument for it.

                        I dont think that the difference between LDT vs LJ is bigger than Hester vs everyone else. LDT is up there though. Probably like 4 on the list.

                        What about old man Jeff Feagles? He seems to be another guy who is light years ahead of the competition.

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                        • #42
                          Is it possible that Walter Jones is now superior and very much far ahead at LT? Discuss...



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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by bsaza2358 View Post
                            Is it possible that Walter Jones is now superior and very much far ahead at LT? Discuss...
                            Na, he actually had a down year.


                            What about Jeff Feagles? He's so accurate with his directional punts, I never seen a punter outperform him the past 2 years.

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                            • #44
                              I gotta get going to take care of some things so I'll check back up on the thread later to see if anyone else had someone real good in mind, my top five though as of right now would be:

                              1. Devin Hester, KR
                              2. Lorenzo Neal, FB
                              3. Champ Bailey, CB
                              4. LaDainian Tomlinson, RB
                              5. Brian Urlacher, LB

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                              • #45
                                Jeff Feagles *bump*

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