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  • [QUOTE=BlindSite;294041]Thats a sign of bad coaching... Dom Capers doesn't know how to nurture or train young quarterbacks and he's hindered the development of more than one over his career.

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    A pea brained QB knows to throw it away right before you step out of bounds. Has nothing to do with coaching. If you are too stupid to throw it away, no coach is going to fix that. What's he going to do? say 'hey, next time, throw it away before you step out of bounds' Um....he shouldn't even need to. Even so, odds are that they said that to bonehead and he continued running out of bounds.

    Now on Kubiak, he really thought he could fix carr, thus the payment of $8 mil. He quickly realized that the guy is flat out bad and very likely dumb. He shipped out a loser and went in a different direction. A great move.

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    • Originally posted by BlindSite View Post
      When will you learn, Carolina is ten times the team that the houston texans is, our coaching staff is head and shoulders better, as is our front office. The team will find a way to make david carr successful. He could manage a game for us, with our weapons and our line and allow the defense and his support players to win the game, in Houston he never had that luxury.
      Meaningless as far as fixing david carr. You will find that out. Unfortunately, Delhomme is going to be benched at some point in 2008 and things are quickly going to get worse. Steve Smith will revolt after about 3 carr QB'ed games.

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      • Originally posted by Dunta_23 View Post
        Im pretty sure that Seattle and Carolina both wanted Carr....and Carr chose Carolina....so dont let your David Carr hate change the facts....fact is that, he probably feels he has a better chance of playing in Carolina...and probably likes the weather better as well...
        He chose Carolina BECAUSE Holmgren said he was going to be the #3 QB in Seattle. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to know which team Carr would choose.

        And yes I hate incompetance. David Carr is incompetant on the football field.

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        • Originally posted by lod01 View Post
          Meaningless as far as fixing david carr. You will find that out. Unfortunately, Delhomme is going to be benched at some point in 2008 and things are quickly going to get worse. Steve Smith will revolt after about 3 carr QB'ed games.
          Why is Delhomme going to be benched? Last year our offensive line lost its starting left tackle and centre for the year and mike wahle was never healthy. So three key cogs were out for a good portion of the year. Delhomme also got hurt for four games. The guy's a good QB a year with injuries to himself and the offensive line removed from the probowl and the NFC championship.

          Originally posted by lod01 View Post
          He chose Carolina BECAUSE Holmgren said he was going to be the #3 QB in Seattle. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to know which team Carr would choose.

          And yes I hate incompetance. David Carr is incompetant on the football field.
          He chose carolina because he believed the front office and coaching staff here would put him in the best position to succeed. Thats it.

          If you want to say Seattle would've made him their third QB, then prove it.

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          • Originally posted by BlindSite View Post
            Why is Delhomme going to be benched?
            Just hide and watch buddy. It's gonna happen. The fans are going to call for Carr because they are mostly clueless. Then Dehomme is either going to serve up a couple of ugly INT's OR the team is going to lose some games it should ahve won. Once that happens, the writers will start the QB controversy and eventually Carr will find the #1 QB spot. It will be the mistake that costs Fox his job as the scapegoat for the NFL's Teflon Don (David Carr). He will fail of course because he totally sucks but it will happen this year. You can bank on that.

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            • Man, if you think that John Fox is going to bow to public pressure you really should just admit you don't know football, its clear to everyone else.

              John Fox didn't bench Foster, or stephen Davis or keary Colbert when the fans were screaming for him to do so because there were factors they didn't understand. He didn't bench Delhomme for Weinke when there were calls for it and he didn't bench Gamble for Marshall when there were calls for it.

              Fox is one of the leagues best head coaches, he won't do something because the fans are bitching. Hurney knows that, and he wouldn't tell him to and whats more the owner, Richardson trusts fox and hurney and wouldn't tell them how to do their job.

              Its obvious you have no idea. You just throw things out there blindly because you think you know, when you've got nothing. Stop posting, you're wrong.

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              • Originally posted by BlindSite View Post
                Man, if you think that John Fox is going to bow to public pressure you really should just admit you don't know football, its clear to everyone else.

                John Fox didn't bench Foster, or stephen Davis or keary Colbert when the fans were screaming for him to do so because there were factors they didn't understand. He didn't bench Delhomme for Weinke when there were calls for it and he didn't bench Gamble for Marshall when there were calls for it.

                Fox is one of the leagues best head coaches, he won't do something because the fans are bitching. Hurney knows that, and he wouldn't tell him to and whats more the owner, Richardson trusts fox and hurney and wouldn't tell them how to do their job.

                Its obvious you have no idea. You just throw things out there blindly because you think you know, when you've got nothing. Stop posting, you're wrong.
                Hide and watch buddy. Never said Fox was a bad coach. He's very good but you are a homer and that is obvious.

                Fact is, Carr is on the Panthers now. He sucks. It's also obvious that you have no clue how bad he is and are one of the last humans on the planet that think he can be turned into an NFL QB. You are wrong and will be proven so. I'm just telling you what is going to happen. We will see who is right but I already know I will be. Delhomme was on thin ice last year but they had nothing to turn to. Now they (and you) think that Carr will help. He won't. He will make the team worse.

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                • Yawn, you're nothing, just another moron, who knows about his crappy team and no one else's. Fact is Delhomme wasn't on thin ice he was injured, our line was injured and his support players were injured. He's been money in the playoffs and in games when he's been given support. He's our starter, and you wait and see, we'll go to the playoffs and we'll make some noise there. Mark it down.

                  As for Carr, it is what it is, a QB needing to take some time and get tutored in a good coaching staff with good players around him, something Houston hasn't had, nor is likely to have for a few years. He'll sit on the bench the entire year barring injury and have his mental aspect reworked so he can be successful.

                  You hate carr because of what he did in houston with no offensive line and no support, any issue he had with his game was exacerbated and exaggerated. In Carolina he's not going to have the same problem.

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                  • [QUOTE=BlindSite;300171As for Carr, it is what it is, a QB needing to take some time and get tutored in a good coaching staff with good players around him, something Houston hasn't had, nor is likely to have for a few years. He'll sit on the bench the entire year barring injury and have his mental aspect reworked so he can be successful. QUOTE]

                    So Gary Kubiak, the former OC in Denver who resurrected Jake Plummer's career wasn't qualified enough to coach David Carr? And yeah it really sucks when you only have Andre Johnson and Eric Moulds at WR.....

                    Honestly, I've watched David Carr throughtout his career and he flat out sucks. He telegraphs his passes and folds under pressure, which of course everyone blames on the offensive line which wasn't nearly as bad as people think the past couple of years, but people still grasp onto that argument because it's easy.

                    If you need proof of Carr's suckiness, watch Houston vs. NE from last year. It was one of the worst performances by a QB that I have ever witnessed and it made me really question how Carr was ever in the NFL to being with. Constant passes batted down at the line and/or intercepted it seriously looked like a 5th grader running an NFL offense.

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                    • Originally posted by bcope View Post
                      So Gary Kubiak, the former OC in Denver who resurrected Jake Plummer's career wasn't qualified enough to coach David Carr? And yeah it really sucks when you only have Andre Johnson and Eric Moulds at WR.....

                      Honestly, I've watched David Carr throughtout his career and he flat out sucks. He telegraphs his passes and folds under pressure, which of course everyone blames on the offensive line which wasn't nearly as bad as people think the past couple of years, but people still grasp onto that argument because it's easy.

                      If you need proof of Carr's suckiness, watch Houston vs. NE from last year. It was one of the worst performances by a QB that I have ever witnessed and it made me really question how Carr was ever in the NFL to being with. Constant passes batted down at the line and/or intercepted it seriously looked like a 5th grader running an NFL offense.
                      Moulds is washed
                      It took Plummer a year before he was good again
                      New England has beastly D that would dominate the pourous HOU O-Line
                      Yes the O-line was bad, if you ever wondered why Dominack (Davis) Williams never got 1300yds you dont have to look past the HOU O-line and when you get sacked like 60 times there is no way its just his fault, granted some were but that happens to the best of them
                      Kubiak is a great RB's coach, not QB coach



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                      • Those of you who claim to watch Carr and follow Houston should really read and analize everything carefully. The article that was brought up earlier was one that was written about last pre-season. It is not a testament to Carr's poor performance, but how ill prepared he was coached by the previous regime.

                        Those who say it wasn't the o-line's fault this yr. show how little you really pay attention to the nuances of the positions. After Spencer went out we were forced to tighten splits, this automatically did two things. It telegraphed passing vs. rushing downs and it shortened the distance to the QB on passing downs. The first few games of the season Carr showed amazing improvement, I would go as far as to say showed the most improvement, however after seeing your FB fumble away two wins, receivers drop a ton of passes and poor results what QB wouldn't begin forcing the ball or making some poor decisions. Carr had his flaws, but putting the teams results on him is ignorant. At the end of this last season we only had 2 original starting linemen, our guards starting. Is anybody going to say that missing three starters, two on the ends and at center isn't going to have adverse affects on the line?

                        Another thing Kubiak was/is our head coach, he isn't spending all his time with the QB as he has alot more responsibilities. Another thing is he is a rookie head coach and has on various occassions admitted fault in not communicating everything he needed to, to Carr. However most don't acknowledge this as it's after the fact that he's already gone off on the QB. A coach's main responsibility is making sure their players are fully prepared, not informing a player about everything because the coach assumes the player should know is on the coach.

                        I won't go as far as saying the Panthers are 10x's better than the Texans because they aren't. However they have shown more stability and have a system in place that will allow Carr to flourish. There's no reason to expect Carr to fail except for bias based on his previous situations. He's in a new situation and has all the tools mentally and physically to succeed. To expect Carr to fail, shows that you don't wish him well and hope he fails so that your point can be made.

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                        • He definatly showed improvement in the beginning just watch the Philly game, he did great I thought
                          Also the guys at ESPN were talking about how much he improved



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                          • The Panthers should package their 1st and 2nd and Delhomme for the 1st overall and get CJ...

                            Carr+CJ+Smith+Key+DW= Sick

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