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  • #16
    The Colts couldn't get turnovers because the opposing team never had to pass the ball. The Cleveland Browns defense had more interceptions than the Colts defense did last year.

    If you want to point to one area of the defense specifically, it's 3rd down efficiency. The Colts defense couldn't get off the field in the regular season, even against the mighty Dayne Train, but once they started doing a better job in the playoffs against the run and making less-manageable 3rd downs for opponents, the defense as a whole improved (despite the presence of a certain linebacker).

    The Colts offense essentially carried one of the worst run defenses in NFL history to a 12-4 record. If that defense could have actually been stout for two specific drives, then the team could have been 14-2 with the best record in football. That offense is worth every penny imo.
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    • #17
      what people mean is a great D can over come a great O
      Example: I am a Steelers fan and look what they done last year in the playoffs, they faced 4 of the top O's in the game in Cinny,Indy,Den, and Sea and they always have a great D and their D over came all of the O's to Win the SB, but they had to have some O. what they mean by O wins games is that you have to score and you have to score more than the other team, and what they mean by D wins championships is that a great D can and will sooner or later stop any O and a great D will never have a bad game. if both teams have , lets say 10 drives each , and one team has a great O and th other one has a great D well the team with a great O may score 60%(6 out of 10 drives)but the great D did stop them on some of the drives. the team with the great D only has an avg O and the team with the great O has a bad D, well the team with the avg O could score on 70 or 80% of the drives against the bad D, so the team with a great D will win the game most of the time, which will win championship and not just some games. great D's also will cause more turnovers and have more sacks and QB pressures, they can change the momentum of the game more than an O can, weather does not effect a D as much as it does an O. they may be more examples but this gives you my opinion on what that saying means

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      • #18
        Originally posted by steel man View Post
        what people mean is a great D can over come a great O
        Example: I am a Steelers fan and look what they done last year in the playoffs, they faced 4 of the top O's in the game in Cinny,Indy,Den, and Sea and they always have a great D and their D over came all of the O's to Win the SB, but they had to have some O. what they mean by O wins games is that you have to score and you have to score more than the other team, and what they mean by D wins championships is that a great D can and will sooner or later stop any O and a great D will never have a bad game. if both teams have , lets say 10 drives each , and one team has a great O and th other one has a great D well the team with a great O may score 60%(6 out of 10 drives)but the great D did stop them on some of the drives. the team with the great D only has an avg O and the team with the great O has a bad D, well the team with the avg O could score on 70 or 80% of the drives against the bad D, so the team with a great D will win the game most of the time, which will win championship and not just some games. great D's also will cause more turnovers and have more sacks and QB pressures, they can change the momentum of the game more than an O can, weather does not effect a D as much as it does an O. they may be more examples but this gives you my opinion on what that saying means
        It helped that the Steelers had a good ground game. A good defense with a good running game and at the least a game-manager at qb is a really good setups. That's what the Ravens had their superbowl year.

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        • #19
          "Offense win games, Defense wins Championships" I live by that in football! Take a look at a few teams who have been at or near the top of the league (standing wise) over the past years. Jacksonville, New England, Indianapolis, Denver, Philadelphia, Tampa Bay/Carolina (not really last year, but the years before), just to name a few. These teams have all had decent defenses. Of course teams like Indy's shouldn't be on this list, however, their D still shows up to play, and have still stopped many opponents several times. The others on the list all have had really good defenses. They all had respectable offense who could run the ball (as said above). So I believe that to be the best you need to run the ball, and stop the run. Indy last year could run the ball, and well in the playoffs stopped the run when they needed to. Pittsburgh last year could run the ball as well as stop it. New England for their 3 SB's could run and stop the run...and so on. That is what it takes to win the Superbowl.

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          • #20
            A great defense will lead you to a championship (2000 Ravens) but a great defense has to be paired with at least an adequate offense (again the 2000 Ravens). The offense has to be able at least to sustain a drive for some time to allow the defense to rest and stay fresh. The key to that is a solid running game, which the 2000 Ravens had with the combination of a rookie Jamal Lewis and the unpolished Priest Holmes. The Raiders had a very solid defense out there (although not a complete shocker since Rob Ryan is an excellent Defensive Coordinator) but I think we can all agree that the offense may have been the worst that any of us have seen personally. The Colts on the other hand, got great play in their defense in the playoffs and rode that momentum to the promised land. So in conclusion, defense wins championships, but your defense is only as good as the offense will allow them to be.

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            Originally posted by Job
            On another note, Nicklas Backstrom is amazingly good.
            Meanwhile, in hockey the other night, the Washington Capitals' Eric Belanger gets hit with a stick, loses EIGHT teeth, has an instant root canal in the locker room, comes back out and PLAYS and never says boo.

            So new rule, NBA: Unless you have a root canal at halftime, SHUT UP AND PLAY!

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            • #21
              You can win games with a great offense, but if your defense is bad in the playoffs you will NEVER win. Pretty much every super bowl champion had a dominating or very good defense either in the reg.season or the playoffs. The closest thing to an exception was ST.Louis back in 1999, but they weren't a bad defense, just not a really good one.

              Plenty of teams with great defenses and mediocre to bad offenses have brought home the championship, none with terrible D's have. Even if you win a fluke super bowl with a bad defense, then your offense would have to be REALLY good meaning one of the 3 best QBs in the league, a great line, a pro bowl back, and great WRs.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Moses View Post
                Having a good offence will almost always make your defence better, both statistically and in on-the-field performance.
                This.

                The two units and their performance are absolutely interlinked and trying to evaluate them seperately isn't going to yield any real answer.

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                • #23
                  I think during the regular season your point can be valid. But in the post season, its always defense that wins. And thats when it counts. The postseason. Look at the Patriots dynasty as an example of what a great defense and average offense can do. Look at the Steelers, look at the Bucs, Ravens....

                  6 of the last 7 SBs have been won by teams who had great defenses and average offenses.

                  The Colts/Rams are the exception, not the rule. Although you already stated that the Colts didn't win in January if it wasn't for their defense.

                  So to answer your question, I say it has some validity in the regular season, and for the tweener teams it may be scewed more toward the offensive side.

                  But in December and January, defense is still the key to the city. And it always will be.

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                  • #24
                    Teams win championships, not specific units of them.


                    The problem arises when people use statistics like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support instead of illumination.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Dam8610 View Post
                      Teams win championships, not specific units of them.
                      Wow that took some thought......

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                      SSAEL....... its a new revolution!


                      Originally posted by Job
                      On another note, Nicklas Backstrom is amazingly good.
                      Meanwhile, in hockey the other night, the Washington Capitals' Eric Belanger gets hit with a stick, loses EIGHT teeth, has an instant root canal in the locker room, comes back out and PLAYS and never says boo.

                      So new rule, NBA: Unless you have a root canal at halftime, SHUT UP AND PLAY!

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by BigDawg819 View Post
                        Wow that took some thought......
                        To elaborate, it seems that people want to give too much credit to the specific units of a team for winning, when, in reality, every unit of the team has to perform on some level for the team to win. If the offense, defense, or special teams fails enough, the team is going to lose. None is really so vastly more important than the others that a team can be completely deficient on a unit and still win because the other unit(s) are dominant.


                        The problem arises when people use statistics like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support instead of illumination.

                        If luck is where preparation meets opportunity, then clutch is where failure meets luck.

                        <Add1ct> setting myself on fire can't be that hard
                        <Add1ct> but tackling a mosquito might prove a challenge

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                        • #27
                          A partial explanation to consider is the fact that teams who lose a lot of games inevitably inherit inflated total defense statistics over the course of a season. Their opponents often let off the gas and run clock in the 4th quarter once the win has been secured. On the contrary, teams who win a lot of games tend to give up a lot of garbage yards/points toward the end of games. It all adds up at the end of the season. Just another example of the extreme blurriness of football statistics in general.

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                          • #28
                            Its pretty obvious, I mean you need to have an offense that can give the D a rest and put points on the board in the red zone.

                            The offense needs a D that will stop the run and force the opposing D back on the field and force turnovers.

                            The two can't operate as effectivley as possible without the other.

                            Balance.

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