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  • Originally posted by Zim3031
    Ben Roethlisberger last year had more attempts passing on first down than he did on 2nd and 3rd. He also has a passer rating of 119. The steelers tendencies last year was to put up a score fast and hard, then grind the ball out on the ground to preserve victory. This conception that the steelers just run the ball twice then threw once is just incorrect.
    Which only adds to inflating his numbers. On first down, he sees 8 man fronts 95% of the time, so if he throws on 1st, he has at least 3 targets going against 3 DBs, which means his hot read tends to be open on 1st down almost all the time. 1st down would be actually ideal for him because of the fronts he sees.

    If all he did was "manage" his team then how have the Steeler, who have been stuck with mediocrity at the QB position for years, only start winning like mad when Ben came into town. And don't say that it's because their defense and running game was better. That's just not true.
    Tommy Maddox isn't even a 2nd string qb. Stewart isn't even in the league anymore. Those are the guys who played before him and for him while he was hurt. If they had a competent backup that stat would be meaningless. Pittsburgh happened to have arguably the worst qb in the league for the 6 years prior to Ben, and Maddox as a backup to Ben is like having no qb at all. And show me a team that wins most of its games with its backup qb for any team in the league anyway. Again, misleading stat.

    Loses it more so than he wins? He's lost one playoff game in his career. Last I checked he played alright in Denver when the Steelers couldn't run the ball at all. Including the second half.
    You give him credit for "winning" games he didn't really win. Did he "win" against the Jets in the playoffs? He did everything in his power to lose that game, he's lucky his team bailed him out. He did not "win" against the Seahawks, he played horriblely. The steelers won those games despite him, not because of him. Even his great games against Indy and Denver, he only played well when he got the oppurtunity to throw against 8 man fronts. When he was against nickel defenses, he faltered.

    Having that said, Im actually one of the few in this thread trying to support him. Im just giving you counterarguments because alot of what youre saying is misleading. I do agree that Ben is getting knocked on a little too much in this thread though.

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    • Seriously, the steelers made a playoff run with both Maddox and stewart at QB, two of the worst QBs to start ever, so its expected that they be better with a semi-compitent QB.

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      • All three looked pretty solid today (Phil and Big Ben looking the best).

        Overall, it is looking like a great draft for QBs

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        • i wouldnt mind having any of those 3 guys, but im an eli guy... love his arm and ability to play


          Go Ravens!

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          • Rivers has thrown five less picks than Ben and Manning a piece, so I'd go with him. He isn't reckless with the football.
            aka KGB Chicken

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            • Nice to see, Ben shutting all you haters up. Funny how you all want to be the first to make mad monkey love to Eli and want to just make up excuses for Bens success in his young career. Just goes to show, Ben can lead a team, wether you want to admit it or not. Now of course, 1 game doesn't mean he won't make mistakes this season, but to call for his benching, and say he is overrated is just plain stupid. He is just as valuable to his team, as any other qb in the league.

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              • Originally posted by snortie
                Nice to see, Ben shutting all you haters up. Funny how you all want to be the first to make mad monkey love to Eli and want to just make up excuses for Bens success in his young career. Just goes to show, Ben can lead a team, wether you want to admit it or not. Now of course, 1 game doesn't mean he won't make mistakes this season, but to call for his benching, and say he is overrated is just plain stupid. He is just as valuable to his team, as any other qb in the league.
                Peyton Manning? Tom Brady? Donovan McNabb? I actually voted for Big Ben, but to say that people are being stupid and then make a statement like that is pretty foolish.


                Nobody cares about your stupid fantasy team.

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                • How do you figure? Ben is the leader on that offense. If he is out for the season, there is no way the Steelers win many games. Last year was proof, when he was out.

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                  • Originally posted by snortie
                    How do you figure? Ben is the leader on that offense. If he is out for the season, there is no way the Steelers win many games. Last year was proof, when he was out.
                    If Peyton Manning is hurt the Colts go from a 13-3 team to a 2-14 team. If Big Ben is hurt the Steelers go from an 11-5 team to a 7-9 team.


                    Nobody cares about your stupid fantasy team.

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                    • Originally posted by bearsfan_51
                      Originally posted by snortie
                      How do you figure? Ben is the leader on that offense. If he is out for the season, there is no way the Steelers win many games. Last year was proof, when he was out.
                      If Peyton Manning is hurt the Colts go from a 13-3 team to a 2-14 team. If Big Ben is hurt the Steelers go from an 11-5 team to a 7-9 team.
                      Either way, the teams don't make the playoffs. The colts would still win 7 games. They have such an easy schedule and division.

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                      • Originally posted by snortie
                        Originally posted by bearsfan_51
                        Originally posted by snortie
                        How do you figure? Ben is the leader on that offense. If he is out for the season, there is no way the Steelers win many games. Last year was proof, when he was out.
                        If Peyton Manning is hurt the Colts go from a 13-3 team to a 2-14 team. If Big Ben is hurt the Steelers go from an 11-5 team to a 7-9 team.
                        Either way, the teams don't make the playoffs. The colts would still win 7 games. They have such an easy schedule and division.

                        Are you familiar with the epic pit of suckiness that is Jim Sorgi?


                        Originally posted by Scott Wright
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                        Originally posted by njx9
                        do i tell you when to flip the burger?

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                        • As for this poll, im not sure whats more suprising, the fact that Eli isnt running away with it, or the fact that 15 people actually voted for Ben Roethlisburger.

                          Originally posted by Smooth Criminal
                          Yes. I completely believe that Ben made this team what it was last year. He played great games in the playoffs. Against Denver and Indy he was great putting points on the board early. I don't think Rivers or Manning would have been able to do what Ben did last post season.
                          You're right. Ben was money in the super bowl, they couldnt of done it without him!!
                          Originally posted by Number 10
                          You just called Santonnio Holmes a bust after 4 games. :roll:

                          Anything to make yourself look right, eh?
                          Agreed, calling someone a bust after 4 games is almost as stupid as calling someone a reach the day after the draft.

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                          • did eli play well today?

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                            • Originally posted by Windy City Big Gamer Uno
                              did eli play well today?
                              not really. 17-30 180 2 Tds and 2 ints, Rivers is better and I have said it since there college days. They will both be amazing down the road.

                              Thanks BoneKrusher^

                              http://youtube.com/watch?v=6_j52DziMy4 (the man)
                              http://youtube.com/watch?v=2g6S3Anto7c
                              KO KNOWS

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                              • i agree rivers is better than eli

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