Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Eli, Rivers, or Big Ben

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Originally posted by Shiver
    Originally posted by Mr. Stiller
    going 15-1 as a rookie starter? Thats Common, no elite players haven't done this.
    He had nothing to do with that. Kyle Orton had similar success as a rookie QB. Anybody can play that way, with stellar run offense and defense. I don't see anyone claiming Kyle Orton is an elite NFL QB because of his "W-L" record.

    Winning your first ever rookie playoff game? Thats common, Every rookie does this.
    He did everything in his power to lose that game. He was lucky that the Jets didn't have a coach.

    Winning a ring? Every QB gets his chance to do this.
    Trent Dilfer won a ring, Dan Marino didn't. The Super Bowl is the epitomy of a team accomplishment.

    Being the youngest QB to ever win a superbowl? This is challenged yearly.
    See above, he's better to be lucky than all that good.

    Leading a good team to 2 straight winning seasons, AFC Championships and a superbowl win? Eh, I'm tired of hearing this story, it's old, happens yearly.
    He didn't "lead" anything. He played controlled football, while relying on a awesome Dick LeBeau defense and a phenomenal run blocking O-Line.
    I'm not going to get into the arguement, I just had to make a correction

    Comment


    • Originally posted by Shiver
      Originally posted by Mr. Stiller
      going 15-1 as a rookie starter? Thats Common, no elite players haven't done this.
      He had nothing to do with that. Kyle Orton had similar success as a rookie QB. Anybody can play that way, with stellar run offense and defense. I don't see anyone claiming Kyle Orton is an elite NFL QB because of his "W-L" record.

      Winning your first ever rookie playoff game? Thats common, Every rookie does this.
      He did everything in his power to lose that game. He was lucky that the Jets didn't have a kicker.

      Winning a ring? Every QB gets his chance to do this.
      Trent Dilfer won a ring, Dan Marino didn't. The Super Bowl is the epitomy of a team accomplishment.

      Being the youngest QB to ever win a superbowl? This is challenged yearly.
      See above, he's better to be lucky than all that good.

      Leading a good team to 2 straight winning seasons, AFC Championships and a superbowl win? Eh, I'm tired of hearing this story, it's old, happens yearly.
      He didn't "lead" anything. He played controlled football, while relying on a awesome Dick LeBeau defense and a phenomenal run blocking O-Line. He's an alright NFL QB that looks great at times because he has been on a stellar football team.
      Which I've pointed his stats towards Palmer and Brady's but just like when I said he and Eli have problems in the same area? You can't compare Ben to anyone because he's the worst QB known to man. A lot of QB's on run first teams lose games when throwing fo 30+ tries... Like i showed both Palmer and Brady did, but thats ok, because they're not Ben.

      Yeah, I play WoW too.[/CENTER]

      Comment


      • Originally posted by Basileus777
        Did you actually read my post? Dictionary.com uses the word in their example. Who cares if it has its own entry or not.
        :shock: It's USED by dictionary.com? Wow... that means that http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=Phiz is a real word too! I can start citing this for all my University Essays. Thank you!

        Comment


        • Mr. Stiller-

          Answer my question.
          Originally posted by Paul
          Eli's opportunity to become a legend.
          Originally posted by Vikes99ej
          These last 50 seconds will define Eli Manning.
          MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

          Comment


          • so, you cite it not being there as proof of it not being a word, and then you use another entry to discredit the site? hmm...okay. :roll:


            back on topic, out of ben, eli, and philip, who is next to win a championship?

            Comment


            • Originally posted by Concord83
              so, you cite it not being there as proof of it not being a word, and then you use another entry to discredit the site? hmm...okay. :roll:


              back on topic, out of ben, eli, and philip, who is next to win a championship?
              note: i used it after he did. :roll:

              Comment


              • Originally posted by Mr. Stiller
                Originally posted by Shiver
                Originally posted by Mr. Stiller
                going 15-1 as a rookie starter? Thats Common, no elite players haven't done this.
                He had nothing to do with that. Kyle Orton had similar success as a rookie QB. Anybody can play that way, with stellar run offense and defense. I don't see anyone claiming Kyle Orton is an elite NFL QB because of his "W-L" record.

                Winning your first ever rookie playoff game? Thats common, Every rookie does this.
                He did everything in his power to lose that game. He was lucky that the Jets didn't have a kicker.

                Winning a ring? Every QB gets his chance to do this.
                Trent Dilfer won a ring, Dan Marino didn't. The Super Bowl is the epitomy of a team accomplishment.

                Being the youngest QB to ever win a superbowl? This is challenged yearly.
                See above, he's better to be lucky than all that good.

                Leading a good team to 2 straight winning seasons, AFC Championships and a superbowl win? Eh, I'm tired of hearing this story, it's old, happens yearly.
                He didn't "lead" anything. He played controlled football, while relying on a awesome Dick LeBeau defense and a phenomenal run blocking O-Line. He's an alright NFL QB that looks great at times because he has been on a stellar football team.
                Which I've pointed his stats towards Palmer and Brady's but just like when I said he and Eli have problems in the same area? You can't compare Ben to anyone because he's the worst QB known to man. A lot of QB's on run first teams lose games when throwing fo 30+ tries... Like i showed both Palmer and Brady did, but thats ok, because they're not Ben.
                Funny how they all have excuses for why Ben is bad, but then they will defend that idiot qb in atlanta. Go figure. Must be alot of young kids on this site.

                Comment


                • Originally posted by frogstomp
                  Originally posted by Basileus777
                  Did you actually read my post? Dictionary.com uses the word in their example. Who cares if it has its own entry or not.
                  :shock: It's USED by dictionary.com? Wow... that means that http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=Phiz is a real word too! I can start citing this for all my University Essays. Thank you!
                  Hypothetical can be used as a noun. To pluralize it, you add an s. Hypotheticals. :roll:

                  Sig by Hitman D.

                  Comment


                  • vick is without a doubt at least one of, if not THE worst qb in the nfl. he has absolutely no touch whatsoever on his passes. it pains me to watch ron mexico attempt to play the quarterback position.

                    Comment


                    • by the end of the year eli will pull away.

                      Comment


                      • Despite 15 pages of this thread, I still have the same feelings.

                        - While Eli has had plenty of shinning moments, he has had plenty of dull ones too. In my mind, Eli has a long way to go to prove he is a great NFL QB.

                        - Likewise, Rivers has a long way to go to prove he is a great NFL QB. However, I won't hold his lack of game experience against him. He sat behind a top ten NFL QB for his first two years after a contract holdout. I have no doubts that if Rivers had been thrown into the fire from Day One, he would have had a lot of Eli great moments and a lot of Eli bad moments.

                        - Both Eli and PR has some great weapons around them. Burress is the NFL's biggest WR and having Toomer as a second option is top notch too. Gates is an elite TE and Shockey is a very good recieving option. Both LT and Tiki are great dual threat backs with excellent hands. Both QB's have benefited greatly from these guys. However, if either were in a 49ers/Bills type situation, I think you would see a lot of production suffer.

                        - McNeil is very young OT who has taken a lot of lumps already. He's showing steady improvement but is still a long way from being a good pass blocker. Oliva on the other side is a solid pass blocker but the remaining guys on the line are more suited for the run. If San Diego line is better than NY's, it's certainly not by much. A lot of sacks, Eli gets from holding onto the ball to long (at least the case last year several times)

                        - Big Ben was placed in a great position to succeed. I give him all the credit in the world for achieving what he did with the Steelers. However, I firmly believe there were at least ten other NFL QB's who could have done the same thing.

                        - Taken from a draft day perspective, San Deigo walked out with the gold. Getting essentially Meriman in exchange of the two QB's is outstanding. Pittsburgh walked out with the silver, getting Big Ben that low was a huge steal and even if he never takes another snap, he'll have been worth it. NY Giants got a franchise QB and by all accounts a great one but right now I have to give them the bronze. Eli appears to be moving into an elite QB but will the Giants window have closed with Tiki, etc.

                        - If I'm starting a team right now, I take PR. I love his leadership ability, on the field demeanor and winning attitude. His is pinpoint accurrate, makes smart decisions and has good arm strength and size. His funky release is no issue at all. His lack of athleticism is hidden because of his smarts. Look no further than his key 15 yard run against Pitt.

                        Comment


                        • Originally posted by Concord83
                          so, you cite it not being there as proof of it not being a word, and then you use another entry to discredit the site? hmm...okay. :roll:


                          back on topic, out of ben, eli, and philip, who is next to win a championship?
                          Ben will win another before the other guys. Eli won't win one for a long time, if ever. Just don't see the Giants being good enough to do so.

                          Comment


                          • Originally posted by snortie
                            Originally posted by Concord83
                            so, you cite it not being there as proof of it not being a word, and then you use another entry to discredit the site? hmm...okay. :roll:


                            back on topic, out of ben, eli, and philip, who is next to win a championship?
                            Ben will win another before the other guys. Eli won't win one for a long time, if ever. Just don't see the Giants being good enough to do so.
                            If you use that logic, would you consider it to be Eli's fault if the Giants team isn't good enough?
                            Originally posted by Paul
                            Eli's opportunity to become a legend.
                            Originally posted by Vikes99ej
                            These last 50 seconds will define Eli Manning.
                            MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

                            Comment


                            • Originally posted by marks01234
                              - McNeil is very young OT who has taken a lot of lumps already. He's showing steady improvement but is still a long way from being a good pass blocker. Oliva on the other side is a solid pass blocker but the remaining guys on the line are more suited for the run. If San Diego line is better than NY's, it's certainly not by much. A lot of sacks, Eli gets from holding onto the ball to long (at least the case last year several times)
                              Right now the Chargers oline is built to pass block. They used to be a primarily run blocking line when they had Garmon and Fonoti who were huge road graders. Now they have a much smaller line designed to pass protect. Look at Nick Hardwick, he looks smaller than many rbs. Dielman is not a good run blocker either.

                              Comment


                              • Originally posted by Number 10
                                Originally posted by snortie
                                Originally posted by Concord83
                                so, you cite it not being there as proof of it not being a word, and then you use another entry to discredit the site? hmm...okay. :roll:


                                back on topic, out of ben, eli, and philip, who is next to win a championship?
                                Ben will win another before the other guys. Eli won't win one for a long time, if ever. Just don't see the Giants being good enough to do so.
                                If you use that logic, would you consider it to be Eli's fault if the Giants team isn't good enough?
                                Partly his fault. It's a team effort. Yesterday he wasn't very impressive. The Giants go as far as Tiki will take them. If tiki goes out the Giants are done, Eli cannot make up for that.

                                Comment

                                Working...
                                X

                                Debug Information