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  • #31
    Originally posted by Number 10
    Originally posted by bearsfan_51
    It's amazing what one game will do for everyone's opinion. You are all likely the same people that said the Chargers didn't have a shot at the playoffs because they had Rivers at QB. I still take Big Ben quite honestly. He's struggling yes, but he has the kind of moxy that you want in a QB.
    One game? We are about to go into week 6.
    How many games do you think most people have seen Philip Rivers play? We have about 0 Chargers fans on here and they aren't on national TV that often.


    Nobody cares about your stupid fantasy team.

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    • #32
      It's between Eli and Rivers for me right now and I think I'd lean towards Rivers because of the precision that he can place on his throws. And I've never been a big fan of Ben.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Twiddler
        It's between Eli and Rivers for me right now and I think I'd lean towards Rivers because of the precision that he can place on his throws. And I've never been a big fan of Ben.
        Eli is right at the top of the league i believe in completion %. 67.1% i believe.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by bearsfan_51
          It's amazing what one game will do for everyone's opinion. You are all likely the same people that said the Chargers didn't have a shot at the playoffs because they had Rivers at QB. I still take Big Ben quite honestly. He's struggling yes, but he has the kind of moxy that you want in a QB.
          :roll: Yea and none of us are familiar with him at all from watching him in college. It's not like this is a guy that nobody has ever heard of that's coming out of nowhere and everybodies jumping on his bandwagon after a game. This is a guy who was selected #4 overall and came into the league with high expectations, many people had him as the #1 QB in that draft. I loved Rivers coming out of college and I don't need to see him play for several years to be able to tell that his game will adapt to the NFL nicely. It's pretty clear that this kid is gonna be a star in the league. :roll:
          Originally posted by njx9
          i invite all of you to spam the board with moronic topics that aren't even vaguely entertaining. please.

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          • #35
            Aaah...so it begins eh?

            Im going to sound like a homer on this one, but I honestly think Eli Manning is the best of the group. Like Number 10 stated, he has "it". His pocket presence is unreal, and he's so so clutch. The kid can do it all. What were his knocks prior to this season?

            Inaccuracy and lack of arm strength, and decision making to an extent.

            Well, looky here, he is 2nd in the league in TDs, he has I believe the best competion % in the league, and has already shown his 4th quarter bravado on 2 different occassions. And on top of that, he's literally been unstoppable in the no huddle. Its funny how all the Eli hate subsided so quickly.

            But back to the point, Rivers has potential to be the 2nd best. He's accurate, but Im not a big fan of his side arm delivery. He also hasn't shown much to prove hes legitimately better than Roethlisberger. Its far too early. I think both are near equal level, with Rivers slightly better.

            Ben's got the ring, but he's the worst of this group. Thats not to say he's bad, because he's still good. He's a great game manager, but he's shown consistently throughout his career so far that he is incapable of leading an offense when he's asked to be the focal point. Look at his stats. I don't want to research it, but Im pretty sure that when he throws over or roughly 30 times, he's never played a great game, in fact he's probably played poorly. You can look it up, Im too lazy to.

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            • #36
              its sick, the way rivers put placement on some of those balls...





              Originally posted by Scott Wright
              I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.

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              • #37
                All the mannings choke, Rivers will be better then Eli. Look at Eli's offense compared to Rivers. Yes i know Rivers has LT and Gates but Eli has Tiki, Shockey, Toomer, and Burress. Rivers puts amazing placement on the ball and he is a great game manager. The chargers need to bring in some more talent to the wide out position and Rivers will be great. Rivers was great in college and in college i thought he was better then ELI but you know how much the media loves those Mannings.


                Thanks to Gang Green for the SIG

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpbXXPOgR2w

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by ThEvIcTR
                  All the mannings choke, Rivers will be better then Eli. Look at Eli's offense compared to Rivers. Yes i know Rivers has LT and Gates but Eli has Tiki, Shockey, Toomer, and Burress. Rivers puts amazing placement on the ball and he is a great game manager. The chargers need to bring in some more talent to the wide out position and Rivers will be great. Rivers was great in college and in college i thought he was better then ELI but you know how much the media loves those Mannings.
                  You came off as a hater on this one. Phillip Rivers has plenty of talent. Toomer is not much different from McCardell. Gates is light years ahead of Shockey right now. LT is clearly better than Barber. Talent is equal. Rivers gets this stigma that he's more accurate than Eli...how? Eli has the highest completion % in the league...wheres the "accuracy issues" all the haters were talking about last year? But more importantly, his pocket presence is not as good as Eli. Thats the most overlooked aspect of a quarterback, pocket presence.

                  And Eli will not choke...they call him 4th quarter Eli for a reason.

                  Right now all this "I <3 Phillip Rivers" talk is just as premature as the Ben Roethlisberger talk the past 2 years. What has he done to warrant so much love? He played like 4 games. This is the first time he threw for 30+. Jeez guys, people need to stop jumping on this.

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                  • #39
                    Lights years ahead of shockey? you have got to be kidding me. Gates is good but him and LT get keyed on like you wouldnt believe. Buress and Toomer put the chargers wide outs to shame. And LT isnt way better then Tiki, Tiki is great out of the backfield just like LT is. You cant be serious when you tell me that the chargers offense is as good as the giants. And i come off as a hater how? I'm not even a Giants or Chargers fan i can careless about them i just think Rivers will be a better player.


                    Thanks to Gang Green for the SIG

                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpbXXPOgR2w

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by ThEvIcTR
                      Lights years ahead of shockey? you have got to be kidding me. Gates is good but him and LT get keyed on like you wouldnt believe. Buress and Toomer put the chargers wide outs to shame. And LT isnt way better then Tiki, Tiki is great out of the backfield just like LT is. You cant be serious when you tell me that the chargers offense is as good as the giants. And i come off as a hater how? I'm not even a Giants or Chargers fan i can careless about them i just think Rivers will be a better player.
                      1. What has Shockey done thus far to warrant the same status as Gates? He's been injury prone the past 2 years and is more mouth than substance. Gates has far out produced Shockey these past 2 years. Some of it is scheme, but still.

                      2. Toomer last year looked done...washed up. The reason why he's doing so good this year is because Manning is stepping his game up. Toomer is in man coverage just like McCardell, Eli is taking advantage of it and Rivers is not at the moment. Toomer is no faster than McCardell, and they both have good hands and good route running. Theyre a draw.

                      3. LT is still young. Barber has already shown signs of age, and he isn't nearly as productive this year as last year. Outside of the skins game, he's been mediocre. He's constantly being spelled by Jacobs because he just doesn't have the stamina he used to. At this point in his career, LT is definately better.

                      4. You don't think Burress is keyed in on?

                      5. SD's oline is better than ours.

                      6. SD has a better FB

                      7. So let's recap. Better oline, better TE, better FB, better RB. Flanker is tied, our primary WR is better. So we beat them in one category. Eli just makes the rest of the guys better. Rivers will get there, but he is in no way there right now. Let's wait a little before we compare him to Eli or Ben.

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                      • #41
                        Roethlisberger is easily the most overrated QB in the league and I'm tired of the everything surrounding him (and I'm tired of the Favre talk too, so don't yell at me!).

                        1. Eli
                        2. Rivers
                        3. Roethlisberger
                        I remember: Sean Taylor

                        Bosanac01

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                        • #42
                          Eli, good quarterback reads defenses, good acuarcy, and good arm strenght.


                          Thanks to jackalope

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                          • #43
                            Come on, a lot of those "SD is better" are very close. Rivers is doing this in his first year as a starter, he is way ahead of the curve compared to Eli Manning and Carson Palmer in their respective first seasons. All I will agree upon is that Eli and Philip are both very good, meanwhile Ben is not. Overall I prefer Rivers, he has everything anyone could want out of a QB. He's is exceptional on all accounts, maturity, leadership, arm strength, accuracy, mobility in the pocket. I see him on a level with Peyton and Carson within a year.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Shiver
                              Come on, a lot of those "SD is better" are very close. Rivers is doing this in his first year as a starter, he is way ahead of the curve compared to Eli Manning and Carson Palmer in their respective first seasons. All I will agree upon is that Eli and Philip are both very good, meanwhile Ben is not. Overall I prefer Rivers, he has everything anyone could want out of a QB. He's is exceptional on all accounts, maturity, leadership, arm strength, accuracy, mobility in the pocket.
                              I personally have Rivers projected to be better than Ben eventually, but don't you think the talk is too premature? Whats the difference between this Rivers talk and the Ben talk from last year? We're all jumping to conclusions far too quickly.

                              And yes, the factors I mentioned above are close, but to say NYG has more talent than SD is not true, its close either way, I'll give you that. And while Rivers is in his first year starting, he did sit 2 years. That has to count for something. Thats 8 extra PS games, plus garbage time. Thats still something.

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                              • #45
                                I do not think so. The Steelers shut down LaDainian Tomlinson, period. Rivers stepped up to the plate and won the game, all the while in his fourth NFL start. He's already shown me more than Roethlisberger has in that regard. Roethlisberger struggles in games where he throws more than 30+ times;

                                5 Touchdowns
                                11 Interceptions

                                Which is pretty damning. Not to mention Roethlisberger only received credit as a good NFL QB when he "led his team to a Super Bowl" despite him sucking in said game.

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