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  • #16
    Originally posted by Windy City Big Gamer Uno
    Originally posted by Basileus777
    Originally posted by stillaraiderfan
    Retire? :roll:

    Anyways, where is the Bruce for OROY thread?
    I believe Darko is on the Trueblood for OROY bandwagon now. :D

    haha
    hah-hah. :roll:

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    • #17
      No, the reason the Raiders suck has absolutely nothing to do with Al Davis' refusal to draft QBs in the 1st round. It has all to do with an incompetent coaching staffs and him undermining his head coaches.

      As for him not being right in the head and all, his speech for Madden at Canton was awesome and apparently he gave the best speech at meetings designed to deem a new commish.

      I thinkAl Davis should sell the team because he has done a lot of things to disrespect the fans, not because of any draft preference.

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      • #18
        Re: Should Al Davis retire?

        Originally posted by Darko
        IMO one of the biggest reasons the raiders are bad is because of Al Davis, he doesnt like drafting QBs in round 1 but thats what they need. It just seems to me that alot of the raiders failure is because of how he manages the team. And his "Committed to Excelence" and "Win at any cost" mottos aren't working anymore.

        It also seems like he isn't in very good health, they showed him earlier in the SNF game and he just looks really bad. I also heard that they almost sold the team to someone else because Al Davis was really sick in the off-season but i think that was just a rumor.
        Check it out. First round QBs, huh? That's what the Raiders need? How about the fact that over 50% of 1st round QBs are busts?

        Tim Couch
        Akili Smith
        Joey Harrington
        Todd Marinovich
        Ryan Leaf
        Patrick Ramsey
        Cade McNown

        And on the cusp with JP Losman, Kyle Boller and dare I say David Carr.

        Whereas, we look at some of the better QBs in the NFL and I think they would have something to say about having to be a first rounder to be a good QB in the league in recent years.

        Just ask:
        Jake Delhomme an undrafted free agent
        Matt Hasselbeck a 5th rounder
        Marc Bulger a 6th rounder
        Tom Brady a 6th rounder
        Trent Green an 8th rounder
        Kurt Warner an undrafted free agent

        Between them, they have 4 of the last 7 Super Bowls and another one of those belongs to Brad Johnson, a former 9th rounder himself. Of the last 7 Super Bowls, only 2 have been won by former 1st round draft picks (and one of those is Trent Dilfer who hardly won that 2001 Super Bowl himself). To top it off, of the 14 participating starting QBs in the Super Bowls since 1999, only 5 of them have been 1st rounders.

        Those are Trent Dilfer, Ben Roethlisberger, Donovan McNabb, Steve McNair and Kerry Collins. That means 9 of the QBs were non-1st round picks.

        That includes:
        Jake Delhomme (once)
        Tom Brady (three times)
        Kurt Warner (twice)
        Matt Hasselbeck (once)
        Rich Gannon (a 4th rounder, once)
        Brad Johnson (once)

        I think you really need to re-think that assumption that you have to draft a 1st round QB to be successful. Because isn't the Super Bowl what it's all about, and apparently, 1st rounders don't get there very often, now do they?

        Oldie but a goodie.

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        • #19
          NIP BUMPED A NUGGET. HE THREW A ROCK. NIP OWNS ALL

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          • #20
            Re: Should Al Davis retire?

            Originally posted by nobodyinparticular
            Originally posted by Darko
            IMO one of the biggest reasons the raiders are bad is because of Al Davis, he doesnt like drafting QBs in round 1 but thats what they need. It just seems to me that alot of the raiders failure is because of how he manages the team. And his "Committed to Excelence" and "Win at any cost" mottos aren't working anymore.

            It also seems like he isn't in very good health, they showed him earlier in the SNF game and he just looks really bad. I also heard that they almost sold the team to someone else because Al Davis was really sick in the off-season but i think that was just a rumor.
            Check it out. First round QBs, huh? That's what the Raiders need? How about the fact that over 50% of 1st round QBs are busts?

            Tim Couch
            Akili Smith
            Joey Harrington
            Todd Marinovich
            Ryan Leaf
            Patrick Ramsey
            Cade McNown

            And on the cusp with JP Losman, Kyle Boller and dare I say David Carr.

            Whereas, we look at some of the better QBs in the NFL and I think they would have something to say about having to be a first rounder to be a good QB in the league in recent years.

            Just ask:
            Jake Delhomme an undrafted free agent
            Matt Hasselbeck a 5th rounder
            Marc Bulger a 6th rounder
            Tom Brady a 6th rounder
            Trent Green an 8th rounder
            Kurt Warner an undrafted free agent

            Between them, they have 4 of the last 7 Super Bowls and another one of those belongs to Brad Johnson, a former 9th rounder himself. Of the last 7 Super Bowls, only 2 have been won by former 1st round draft picks (and one of those is Trent Dilfer who hardly won that 2001 Super Bowl himself). To top it off, of the 14 participating starting QBs in the Super Bowls since 1999, only 5 of them have been 1st rounders.

            Those are Trent Dilfer, Ben Roethlisberger, Donovan McNabb, Steve McNair and Kerry Collins. That means 9 of the QBs were non-1st round picks.

            That includes:
            Jake Delhomme (once)
            Tom Brady (three times)
            Kurt Warner (twice)
            Matt Hasselbeck (once)
            Rich Gannon (a 4th rounder, once)
            Brad Johnson (once)

            I think you really need to re-think that assumption that you have to draft a 1st round QB to be successful. Because isn't the Super Bowl what it's all about, and apparently, 1st rounders don't get there very often, now do they?
            I didnt say that you have to draft a 1st round QB to be successful, yea some have been busts. But look how many have been good.

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            • #21
              Re: Should Al Davis retire?

              Originally posted by nobodyinparticular
              stuff about qbs
              you know this would be a 5-0 team if you guys had drafted leinart.

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              • #22
                Re: Should Al Davis retire?

                Originally posted by njx9
                Originally posted by nobodyinparticular
                stuff about qbs
                you know this would be a 5-0 team if you guys had drafted leinart.
                STOP IT!!!! NOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!









                Oldie but a goodie.

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                • #23
                  Re: Should Al Davis retire?

                  Originally posted by njx9
                  Originally posted by nobodyinparticular
                  stuff about qbs
                  you know this would be a 5-0 team if you guys had drafted leinart.
                  and whys that? I never said they would be alot better with a 1st round QB...

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                  • #24
                    Re: Should Al Davis retire?

                    Originally posted by nobodyinparticular
                    Originally posted by njx9
                    Originally posted by nobodyinparticular
                    stuff about qbs
                    you know this would be a 5-0 team if you guys had drafted leinart.
                    STOP IT!!!! NOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


                    i had to, the opportunity was golden.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Should Al Davis retire?

                      Originally posted by Darko
                      Originally posted by njx9
                      Originally posted by nobodyinparticular
                      stuff about qbs
                      you know this would be a 5-0 team if you guys had drafted leinart.
                      and whys that? I never said they would be alot better with a 1st round QB...
                      because the thought makes NIP and sarf nuts. it also caused several long diatribes on the mock draft board from raiders fans in the offseason. and i delight in their misery.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Should Al Davis retire?

                        Originally posted by njx9
                        Originally posted by Darko
                        Originally posted by njx9
                        Originally posted by nobodyinparticular
                        stuff about qbs
                        you know this would be a 5-0 team if you guys had drafted leinart.
                        and whys that? I never said they would be alot better with a 1st round QB...
                        because the thought makes NIP and sarf nuts. it also caused several long diatribes on the mock draft board from raiders fans in the offseason. and i delight in their misery.
                        oh, i didnt know about that part.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Should Al Davis retire?

                          [quote="Darko"]IMO one of the biggest reasons the raiders are bad is because of Al Davis, he doesnt like drafting QBs in round 1 but thats what they need. It just seems to me that alot of the raiders failure is because of how he manages the team. And his "Committed to Excelence" and "Win at any cost" mottos aren't working anymore.
                          [quote]

                          I don't think drafting a QB is the problem, and I think they are going to give Walters a fair shot at earning the starting job for the rest of the season. From what I saw of the Denver game tonight, the OL is improving a bit, but they still horrible. Whenever you have really high turnover rates in your defense and OL it is going to sting and thats what the Raiders are going through right now, and having a rookie QB certainly doesn't help.

                          However, when your team leads the league in penalties year after year and you go through head coaches like hair styles, something is wrong. You need to have stability for long term success, and Al always seems to want to short track it to the top. For the Raiders to return to where they belong, it is going to take a much different mind frame. I just hope Al doesn't pull the trigger on Shell at the end of the season. I like Shell [altho he is a bit rusty with the new rules, etc] and I like the discipline he is trying to install.

                          So, after being preachy, yes, the Raiders would be better off without Al. I like the guy, but you need to have patience and stability to build a team back up, qualities that Al doesn't exactly have in spades.

                          Sig by fenikz! Cheers!
                          Originally posted by Scott Wright
                          Mr. Dukes comes from the Michael Irvin "talk loud and maybe people will think I know what I am talking about" school of football analysis.

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                          • #28
                            The day Al Daivs retires is the day he dies.


                            Thanks to jackalope

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                            • #29
                              He's seen the Raiders to multiple Superbowls, and owns the team. Owners dont retire, they may hire a Pres. and GM but they dont retire.
                              http://www.spox.com/de/sport/ussport...hwartz-514.jpg

                              "We got our Schwartz tangled"

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                              • #30
                                Short
                                Simple
                                Sweet

                                NO

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