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  • #16
    Originally posted by bsaza2358 View Post
    Basically, I think all the players on my list will get in. Zach Thomas might be a stretch, but his stats are impressive enough. Ogden and Pace were both incredible in their primes, though Tony Boselli was their equal before his shoulders imploded. Jones is as dominant now as those guys were.
    I think Jones need a ring. For positions like that where you can't really quantify their dominance, in my opnion having a ring or two can really put their foot firmly in the door.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by princefielder28 View Post
      That looks about right
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      Originally posted by Job
      On another note, Nicklas Backstrom is amazingly good.
      Meanwhile, in hockey the other night, the Washington Capitals' Eric Belanger gets hit with a stick, loses EIGHT teeth, has an instant root canal in the locker room, comes back out and PLAYS and never says boo.

      So new rule, NBA: Unless you have a root canal at halftime, SHUT UP AND PLAY!

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      • #18
        I think rings mean a lot less to certain positions than others. LT's are workhorses. You look at the production of others around them to help measure their worth. To me, Hasselbeck and Alexander wouldn't be nearly as effective without Walter Jones sealing off the left side for them every play of every season. A ring would be nice, but I don't think it will hinder him.



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        • #19
          palmer and CJ are canton bound. trust me. ill be a homer if i want to.


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          • #20
            Originally posted by bsaza2358 View Post
            When healthy, Urlacher has compliled excellent statistics. At this point in his career, he is considered the best MLB in the league, and he has been dominant the last 2 seasons. Given the amount of time he has been in the league, it is reasonable to say that with several more dominant and a few more productive seasons, Urlacher can make a case. Is he a first balloter? Absolutely not. He has a much better chance than you'd think.

            Your second statement is painfully and horribly incorrect. Zach Thomas may have the weakest resume of all of the players I listed, but his production has been very impressive. When he retires, he will have over 1100 tackles, perhaps 1200. He may be a stat compiler, but he has a pretty strong case.

            Kevin Mawae is one of the best Centers in the history of the NFL. He was the best at his position in the league from 1996-2004, and he was amazingly dominant. He was originally on my "locks" list.

            Walter Jones would have been the best at his position most of his career, but he happened to be in the NFL when Ogden and Pace were in their primes. Jones is the best LT in the league right now, and he has a bunch more years to carry that mantle. He is a very likely Hall of Famer, but he has 3 more years of dominance and several more solid seasons to go.
            Urlacher isn't in the HOF right now is what I'm saying. I think he's only had two seasons where he was the best MLB in the league. That's really not going to cut it for a HOF MLBer although he does have a lot of play ahead of him. I'm not saying he'll never get in, I'm saying that as of now he hasn't done enough.

            I can see both Ogden and Pace getting in, but I can't see Jones. He's the 3rd fiddle to that threesome and I can't see all three getting in.

            Thomas is a big stretch. He has nice stats yes, but there's never been a season where he's been the best. He won't even get close in my opinion.

            Mawae may get in but I think his reputation as a dirty player will hurt his case.

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            • #21
              Moses, every good offensive line player tends to have a nasty demeanor. I don't think Mawae has reputation for playing that dirty. He's not a Denver guy under Alex Gibbs. He is one of the best Centers ever in the NFL, and he will absolutely be in Canton, and deservedly so.

              Jones can't be considered a third fiddle to Ogden and Pace because he came into the league just after those guys had reached their peak of dominance. Jones was never any worse than they were, but those guys got the press because they were dominant before he was in the league. Jones has been the best LT for the last 3 years at least, and he has a loooooooong way to go. In the next 2 years, both Ogden and Pace will retire. Jones will get some push from McNeill and Levi Jones for best OT in the game, but the title is his for quite some time. All 3 of those OT's will be in, and it would be a crime if it didn't happen.

              I put Urlacher on the list of "likely in when all is said and done" because I know he needs more to make it. He is 29 now, and he probably has 3 more years at top physical condition. I think he's the kind of player who can remain productive into his mid-30's. I think the stats will be there in the end.

              We are in agreement that Zach Thomas is a borderline case. Still, I think he has a shot down the line to make it in.



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              • #22
                Still waiting to hear why Will Shields was not on your list lol.

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                • #23
                  Will Shields just retired, so he's not a current player.



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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by bsaza2358 View Post
                    Will Shields just retired, so he's not a current player.
                    True but he is for sure a lock if not something is wrong with how they vote.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by bsaza2358 View Post
                      Will Shields just retired, so he's not a current player.
                      Did Seau officially retire?

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Splat420 View Post
                        True but he is for sure a lock if not something is wrong with how they vote.
                        No doubt. However, I was going with current players. I wasn't including guys like Rod Smith, Marshall Faulk, Shields, etc. If Ogden retired, I wouldn't include him on my list either.



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                        • #27
                          I'd say Ray Lewis, Strahan, Bailey, and Urlacher will make it. Ed Reed should make it too. He's been the premier player at the SS position for the last few years now.


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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Vikes99ej View Post
                            I'd say Ray Lewis, Strahan, Bailey, and Urlacher will make it. Ed Reed should make it too. He's been the premier player at the SS position for the last few years now.
                            If Urlacher makes it, Reed must make it.

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                            • #29
                              Reed only has 5 years in the league. Urlacher has 8. Reed is well on his way, but he really only had 1 amazing season (2004). Other than that, he hasn't been so utterly dominant that he is a lock at this point.



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                              • #30
                                If Ed Reed continues his high level of play for another 4-6 years then I see him as a good candidate. To say he's a lock at this point, as stated by bsaza, is a bit of a stretch, but as a Raven fan I appreciate the support of him.

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                                Originally posted by Job
                                On another note, Nicklas Backstrom is amazingly good.
                                Meanwhile, in hockey the other night, the Washington Capitals' Eric Belanger gets hit with a stick, loses EIGHT teeth, has an instant root canal in the locker room, comes back out and PLAYS and never says boo.

                                So new rule, NBA: Unless you have a root canal at halftime, SHUT UP AND PLAY!

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