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  • #91
    Originally posted by Geo View Post
    Hasselbeck and Alexander even being mentioned in football discussions today is thanks to: (1) Mike Holmgren, one of the best coaches in his era; and (2) The Seahawks moved from the AFC West to the NFC West. They have no business whatsoever in a HOF thread.
    To be fair, Alexander's overall numbers were quite decent while splitting time with Ricky Waters in the AFC West back in the day. He put up fine numbers before Walter Jones and before Hasselbeck really developed. Holmgren played a huge part with the scheme and design, but I'm not going to knock individual players for working under him. That's like saying that Favre's Super Bowl title is counterfeit because Holmgren was the coach...



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    • #92
      Originally posted by Shiver View Post
      You of all people should understand the short sighted manner in which people evaluate players. Tony Romo made the pro-bowl based off of one good month, for example. In '02, he was a top-5 NFL QB. Since then, his 'stats' have declined. Even so; he has still been decent as a overall player. Even setting a few NFL records. Obviously there has been debate as to why his passing stats since his first year as the starter have declined. I don't feel like getting into that one, beating that dead horse again.

      I resent the statement that he wasn't playing the QB position, when if any other Quarterbacks attained a 3,000 yard, 2:1 TD/INT ratio, 13 Yards Per Completion, season they would have been noted for having a solid year. He led a mediocre team into the playoffs, with several notable come from behind efforts where he willed his team back in games, even winning on the road in Green Bay in the playoffs. Football Outsiders' metrics, he graded out as a top-10 passer, which when combined with his 777 yards rushing and eight touchdowns, made him a top-5 NFL QB in the '02 season. All the hype that came from that season, had merit. The hype has died down as of late, migrating to Vince Young.

      What YFS was saying; what if Michael Vick become had four, or five great years in a row from here on out? I don't think anyone seriously thinks Michael Vick should be a serious contender for the hall of fame. He was just throwing out a hypothetical.
      I apologize for the unnecessary harshness. I overstepped my bounds there, and it was unfair. I didn't take the Vick suggestion as a hypothetical, which is why I reacted that way. No worries. When Vick has 4-5 great seasons in a row, you can say "I told you so"...



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      • #93
        Updated List:

        HOF locks:

        Derrick Brooks
        Ray Lewis
        Brett Favre
        Michael Strahan
        Champ Bailey
        Marvin Harrison
        Peyton Manning
        Tom Brady
        Larry Allen

        Players who will certainly get in when all is said and done:

        Tony Gonzalez
        LaDanian Tomlinson
        Brian Urlacher
        Warren Sapp
        Walter Jones
        Jonathan Ogden
        Orlando Pace
        Terrell Owens
        Kevin Mawae
        Jason Taylor

        Questionable, but Quite Possible:

        Randy Moss
        Zach Thomas
        Shawn Alexander
        Alan Faneca



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        • #94
          I added a "Questionable, But Possible" list to include the guys who are on their way, but not there yet. I didn't take a lot of time thinking about others for this list, so suggestions could be good.



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          • #95
            Originally posted by Moses View Post
            I don't see how you can put Brian Urlacher on that list. He doesn't have close to the requirements needed for a HOF linebacker. Randy Moss has more business in the HOF right now than Brian Urlacher.

            Also, guys like Zach Thomas, Kevin Mawae, and Walter Jones likely will never make it.


            I don't see how Mawae doesn't make it. Any player with that many Pro Bowls and the reputation for being the best at his position in the game for half a decade makes it in.


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            • #96
              I estimate Mawae was the best Center in the NFL by far for about 8 years, and I might be underselling it.



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              • #97
                that seems like a huge list... i wouldn't disagree with any of it, but it still seems long...


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                • #98
                  I'm not calling for all of them to make the Hall right now or right after retirement, but eventually, all of them should be in. I figure this list is no longer than the actual list of players in from any period of time in modern NFL history.



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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by bsaza2358 View Post
                    I mentioned younger guys who have started out well as examples of why my list was so short. Thanks for completely missing the point...
                    No I understand your point, I just hate when people crown younger players who have a good season or two. I'm not saying you are or were, it just makes me mad when people do and I wasn't entirely sure what your point was exactly.
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                    • My note below the original list was to keep people from saying, "how can Shawne Merriman not be on your list. He's a god..." It was more of a disclaimer than anything. I was focusing on players with at least 7 years of service (a solid career).



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                      • Seau should be under the locks, though you could argue he's already retired. Owens should be in the possible list, his numbers are deserving but his personnality will loose some votes.
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                        • Seau is already retired, so he doesn't qualify. I'm pretty sure he will make it to Canton, but he will have to wait a little.

                          TO has the numbers already. If he keeps putting up these numbers, he will make himself a lock in 2-3 more seasons. His attitude won't help, but this is the Hall of Fame. Numbers and performance on the field merits more than the other stuff.



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                          • Gonzo should definitely be a lock, his stats already greatly surpass Ozzie Newsomes and Winslow Sr's. Isaac Bruce should be somewhere on the list as well, maybe not a lock, but he should be on there.
                            Last edited by Stash; 04-19-2007, 03:37 PM.

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                            • Bruce is a solid player who had a nice career, but he only had 1 100+ catch season and only 2 seasons with more than 10 TD's. He has been consistent and productive, but I wouldn't call him dominant and transcendent.



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                              • ray brown...i know hes retired but he was a monster G

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