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  • Originally posted by bsaza2358 View Post
    A couple of points:

    * I don't think even Rod Woodson thinks he was a better CB than Deion Sanders. If you ask anyone competent to name the best cover CB in NFL history, they would universally say Deion Sanders.

    * Just because Deion is the best cover corner, it doesn't mean he's the best all around CB. You could make an argument for Woodson in terms of all around skills, but there are plenty of guys out there who played a better all around game than Deion.

    * The fact that Deion is not the best all-around CB in history automatically excludes him from legitimate discussion as the best NFL player in history.

    * Rep is overrated. No one should post to get rep, get mad at someone for negative rep, or carry on like a small child over rep levels, etc.
    Even not being the best all-around corner, I still think his coverage ability makes him the best corner in NFL history. But I don't think any corner deserves a best player in NFL history nod.
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    • CB's need to do more than just cover to help their teams. I believe having an all-around game is critical when being considered in the GOAT discussion at a position. What you are saying is that Deion did 70% of the CB's job (coverage, intimidation of QB's, INT's, runbacks)at a level 10%+ higher than any other player ever. However, pretty much everyone admits that the other 30% (run support, tackling) at a consistently mediocre level. I don't think 70/30 makes for a GOAT. Just my opinion.



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      • Originally posted by bsaza2358 View Post
        CB's need to do more than just cover to help their teams. I believe having an all-around game is critical when being considered in the GOAT discussion at a position. What you are saying is that Deion did 70% of the CB's job (coverage, intimidation of QB's, INT's, runbacks)at a level 10%+ higher than any other player ever. However, pretty much everyone admits that the other 30% (run support, tackling) at a consistently mediocre level. I don't think 70/30 makes for a GOAT. Just my opinion.
        I think cornerbacks are more like 90%/10% (pass/run defence) in terms of importance. Obviously it depends on the system but cornerbacks are always regarded as cover players first and foremost.

        Sanders likely isn't the GOAT at any position, but I think it's hard to argue against him at the cornerback position.

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          • Originally posted by Moses View Post
            I think cornerbacks are more like 90%/10% (pass/run defence) in terms of importance. Obviously it depends on the system but cornerbacks are always regarded as cover players first and foremost.

            Sanders likely isn't the GOAT at any position, but I think it's hard to argue against him at the cornerback position.
            I personally think that run support and tackling are critical at every position. It is much easier to gamble and cover on third and 9 than third and 3. If you have a good run-supporting CB to help out on first and second downs, you get obvious passing situations and more opportunities. I think you are underrating the benefit of a CB who can and will tackle.



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            • Exactly my point. In the NFL, you need to do everything well and some things great to even be considered good. There are very few specialists on the field. Even if you are amazing at one thing (pass rush, run stuff, etc), that doesn't release you from your responsibilities. Deion had amazing cover skills. Probably a once in a generation player in terms of those skills. However, he was horrendous as a tackler, and he was a liability there. That is a combination of player weaknesses and poor coaching for not ensuring that he learned and executed properly.



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              • And thats an overlooked fault of Deion's. Theres no question that he was the greatest cover corner ever, but his run support was weak.

                Some teams would even take advantage of it. Theyd run close formations, with the WR close to the LT, and run sweeps at Deion.

                Even after that though, I personally don't know if I would take any other CB over Deion. His coverage was so amazing, the things you can do defensively with a guy like that is limitless.

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                • It's virtually impossible not to take him on an all-time team, but on an all-time team, the other players out on the field would be able to cover most of his deficiencies.



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                  • Well were does Sanders return abilities get into this? And he played some offense as well.

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                    • Originally posted by bsaza2358 View Post
                      It's virtually impossible not to take him on an all-time team, but on an all-time team, the other players out on the field would be able to cover most of his deficiencies.
                      Still, if you could take Rod Woodson or Deion Sanders in their prime and chuck them on any team in the NFL, most people would take Sanders.

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                      • I am absolutely with you on that. I wasn't comparing those 2 in any way. I'm not the genius who made the comparison. My point was that Deion's glaring weaknesses were a significant issue and could have easily made the difference in numerous games in his career.



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                          • I assume you're not serious, N-H.



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                            • More of the Woodson being a better player than Deion argument.

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                              • I really don't think you can make that argument, but that doesn't stop people from trying...



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